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The crash at Pooh Corner

By johnboy - 9 March 2009 49

The ABC brings word that two Canberra women (48 and 24 years old) have died descending Clyde Mountain.

Apparently the area was shrouded in rain and fog at the time.

What’s Your opinion?


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The crash at Pooh Corner
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I-filed 11:30 am
09 Mar 09
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The Canberra Times have illustrated their online article with a photo of an entirely different stretch of the King’s Highway … past paddocks near Bungendore … the CBR Times photo library after 60 or so years doesn’t include a photo taken on the Clyde?

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You 11:36 am
09 Mar 09
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Do we know any names yet?

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Gungahlin Al 11:53 am
09 Mar 09
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Without making any comment on this particular tragic accident, another Canberra long weekend, with multiple Canberra drivers killing themselves or others on Kings Hwy.

And always the reports have the road itself as the culprit.

Apart from the fact that this road has to descend a major escarpment or two, requiring those nasty corner thingies, what is it about this lovely drive that Canberra drivers have such a problem with? The fact that it can’t all be driven on a 100 kph or more like a freeway, therefore requiring one to use that annoying brake gadget?

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ant 12:04 pm
09 Mar 09
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Spot on, Gung. Al. It’s always the road’s fault. Maybe we need some kind of train system where peoples’ cars are mounted on a machine and transported to the destination. It seems that any road with curves, or oncoming traffic, is a deathtrap scandal menace or something.

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farnarkler 12:23 pm
09 Mar 09
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I remember driving down the Clyde in the thickest fog I’ve ever seen back in 1991. I know the mountain pretty well but I couldn’t get above 40km/h because it was such a pea soup.

Pity cars can’t be fitted with an equivalent of an airliner black box (I think such things exist in formula one) to give investigators assistance in finding out the cause of accidents like this.

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p1 12:28 pm
09 Mar 09
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Pity cars can’t be fitted with an equivalent of an airliner black box (I think such things exist in formula one) to give investigators assistance in finding out the cause of accidents like this.

With so many people having in car GPS these days, this isn’t as far from practical as you might think. Do the cops look at the log on such things to see what was happening before the crash?

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Ari 12:45 pm
09 Mar 09
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farnarkler said :

I remember driving down the Clyde in the thickest fog I’ve ever seen back in 1991. I know the mountain pretty well but I couldn’t get above 40km/h because it was such a pea soup.

I came up the mountain last night and that pretty well describes the conditions. It was also very slippery.

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SheepGroper 1:21 pm
09 Mar 09
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farnarkler said :

Pity cars can’t be fitted with an equivalent of an airliner black box (I think such things exist in formula one) to give investigators assistance in finding out the cause of accidents like this.

Some cars do come fitted with something similar, the owners sometimes use them to check if the cars were thrashed during the test drive after a service.

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Pommy bastard 1:35 pm
09 Mar 09
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I have to admit my first drive down Clyde Mountain, (and indeed Brown’s mountain) which was in the rain and fog, was something of an eye opener. It’s not that I’m not used to mountain driving, I’ve driven in the French/Swiss/Italian Alps and the Sierra Madre mountains. There is something uneasy about the driving, the light in foggy conditions is deceptive, the corners are never quite as easy as they seem, and the roads are very greasy after a long period of dry.

I’ll be taking my new bike down there soon, I’m praying for good conditions. I’m sure some here will be praying otherwise. ; )

My condolences to the families of those involved.

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Granny 1:53 pm
09 Mar 09
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PB you might be completely impossible, but you are one of us!

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Woody Mann-Caruso 1:59 pm
09 Mar 09
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I agree with PB (having driven in mountains in the US and Europe). There’s something evil about the Clyde that requires extra, extra care. Maybe it’s hainted 😉

Take it easy on the new bike!

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Pommy bastard 1:59 pm
09 Mar 09
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Thanks for that Granny, much appreciated.

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kos 5:11 pm
09 Mar 09
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I would agree that the Clyde is a little different to most other mountains, but most drivers in Canberra do not drive to the conditions anyway. I have nearly had an off there due to inexperience and not driving slow enough, it is a hard mountain but I wouldn’t be blaming the road or conditions…

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Gungahlin Al 5:42 pm
09 Mar 09
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I hate it when the general rule of thumb that you can take a corner at twice the signposted advisory speed falls over, because for once the advisory speed is actually spot on…

On these apparently particularly slippery corners, perhaps an easy mitigation would be to reseal them using what is called “open graded asphalt”. This has a waterproof membrane underneath an open porous layer of hotmix (about 10cm thick) so that any water passes through to the membrane and then drains off to the side below the driving surface.

This was done on a section of road I lived on that suffered many ‘offs’ and almost completely stopped the accidents resulting from slides.

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VYBerlinaV8_the_one_ 5:45 pm
09 Mar 09
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I don’t think the Cylde is that bad. The Brown Mtn pass between Nimmitabel and Bemboka 100k’s or so further south I think is worse, as is the Jamberoo pass.

The biggest problem I see on mountain passes is that people have forgotten the long lost skill of using the gears, rather than the brakes, to make the descent. Of course, this means some time spent with your feet off the pedals as your car descends due to gravity, and inevitably, there’s a yogi plate that catches, tailgates, then rides the brakes down once you let them past…

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