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The uphill path for Generation Y

By Emily Morris - 21 May 2014 59

On Monday night’s Q&A I watched as a fairly gutsy young graduate from Tasmania questioned Mr Hockey on the new rules around unemployment benefits for those under 30.  I was pretty impressed.  Obviously a well-educated fellow, although the Treasurer came back more than once with ‘Under 30s will earn or learn’, this man pressed, citing figures of (something like) 18,000 job seekers to approximately 500 job ads (in Tasmania).  This guy wants to work, but understands the reality that finding a job in the current market is tough.  So, under these new rules he asked how he would survive.  The previous answer was repeated, with explanation that if he couldn’t find a job the Government would assist him in enrolling in a TAFE course or diploma.  By the look on this guy’s face, I imagine he probably had a fairly detailed and lengthy degree behind him.  Does he really need to learn any more at this point in time?  Another young woman said she was currently in a public sector role and likely to lose it.  If she was denied benefits (although Joe did mention a sliding scale of the 6 month wait, losing 1 month for every year worked which was the first I had heard on this), how would she pay her mortgage?  The Treasurer seemed surprised that someone under 30 would have a mortgage. 

My point is less about the budget and more about the impressive face I saw of Generation Y (those born in the 80s and 90s). 

Myself, I’m a Generation X-er.  We’re a whole different kettle of fish.  I have however come across work places that have really battled to take on Generation Y employees with any great success.  It has felt a bit like trying to put a round peg in a square hole.  I have wondered if maybe it’s the hole that needs some level of change and adaption rather than putting the entire onus on the peg.

The ABS puts the ACT’s unemployment rate for 15-24 year-olds at 10.4 per cent.  As benefits shift, along with increasing university fees – I can’t help but wonder if this generation will be made to carry a heavier load than most during this transition period.

I was happy to hear about a Forum run in Canberra today, working with employers on how to better manage their Gen Y workforce.  Was anyone part of it who would care to share their experience?

What’s Your opinion?


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The uphill path for Generation Y
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bd84 10:01 am
21 May 14
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As a proper gen Y (born prior to 1990), all I can say is people need to harden the firetruck up and get out and find a job themselves. I’ve had job since I was 14, gone through Uni, remaining in the low paying retail job after finishing Uni, got a degree related job and worked hard to pay off my HECS and now a mortgage. Hard work does it for you.

Just because you’ve gone and gone some qualifications doesn’t mean you’re entitled to anything or that a job will fall into your lap. Particularly if you’ve gone and done a useless degree like arts or communications which qualify you for very little.

It seems to be an age of “I’m too good for that job so I won’t apply for it” instead of the realistic you start at the bottom job and work my way up by working hard. If there isn’t demand for your work in your area, you travel or move to where there is work. If you’re that desperate for work, take any job you can get. No shame at working at woolies or if a cafe to pay the bills. Walk through the shopping centres etc and there are lots of jobs in windows of shops. There probably isn’t one for every person in this country, but there would be enough to put a dent in the unemployment line.

It’s about time they stopped giving the lazy people a free ride on the dole, the proposed changes sound fairly reasonable, whether they work in practice might need done fine tuning, but it’s better than doing nothing.

If they thing dealing with gen Y is difficult, just wait for dealing with the next generation born after 1990, born to self entitlement, spoon feeding, never hearing “no” and hugs as discipline growing up.

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neanderthalsis 11:14 am
21 May 14
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By the look on this guy’s face, I imagine he probably had a fairly detailed and lengthy degree behind him. Does he really need to learn any more at this point in time?

I would say yes, he does. Obviously his original field of study was in an area where there is not sufficient demand for labour so he should retrain in a field where there are employment opportunities or move to an area where his skills are in demand. Having a degree does not mean that you are guaranteed employment and doesn’t put you at the top of the shortlist for advertised jobs. Instead of bleating about not being able to find a job people need to put more effort into making themselves more competitive in the jobs market.

There seems to be an all pervasive sense of entitlement that has crept into almost all sectors of the community. Merely having kids, having a qualification, having private health insurance, using childcare, running a manufacturing business or not having a job seems to make people think that it is the role of government to support their lifestyle.

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Kellamity 11:30 am
21 May 14
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Forget having the government support your lifestyle, I would have been very interested to hear how you are expected to live if you are 28, have a mortgage (or even rent), and turn up at work one day to find that the business is going under and everyone will be out of work in two weeks. It can take months to find another job but the bills keep coming. The dole is barely enough to get by on (and doesn’t need to be any more than that) but it keeps you alive.

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dungfungus 11:53 am
21 May 14
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As a baby boomer, I have a lot of sound advice to give you but from experience, Generation Y people are not receptive to advice from my generation (or any other demographic either).
There seems to be a common denominator in the comments so far namely “hard work”.
Hang onto your main job and get a second (or third) job doing something that no one else wants to do. Jobs like this attract premium rates of pay. You will prosper and other opportunities will present themselves.
Forget what you see on Q&A – it is all confected left wing nonsense.

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chewy14 12:00 pm
21 May 14
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neanderthalsis said :

By the look on this guy’s face, I imagine he probably had a fairly detailed and lengthy degree behind him. Does he really need to learn any more at this point in time?

I would say yes, he does. Obviously his original field of study was in an area where there is not sufficient demand for labour so he should retrain in a field where there are employment opportunities or move to an area where his skills are in demand. Having a degree does not mean that you are guaranteed employment and doesn’t put you at the top of the shortlist for advertised jobs. Instead of bleating about not being able to find a job people need to put more effort into making themselves more competitive in the jobs market.

There seems to be an all pervasive sense of entitlement that has crept into almost all sectors of the community. Merely having kids, having a qualification, having private health insurance, using childcare, running a manufacturing business or not having a job seems to make people think that it is the role of government to support their lifestyle.

1000000% this.

If you can’t find a job in your preferred field then you should be looking elsewhere and potentially retraining rather than expecting the government to support you until you find your dream job.

I’m sick of people that complain about job availability, pay or conditions in their preferred field of work. The vast majority of people do jobs that they hate simply because it pays the bills. If you want to do a job that provides you with career satisfaction and inner warm and fuzzies, accept that you may have to sacrifice other things to get it. Or perhaps study in a field where there is continuous and predictable market demand?

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justsomeaussie 12:02 pm
21 May 14
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I think a lot of the commenters here are being overly critical of the individual but first let me say this. I am very critical of over educated and under knowledged individuals that our society is pumping out. There is a common perception that any education is good education and Hockey supports this view by his “earn or learn” philosophy. Learn what? Post Modern Feminist Thought, Greek History? Education has to be able to benefit society especially at this early stage, save those fluffy topics for your 40s-50s.

We have a big issue in this society where we expect an 18 year old to have an idea on what is a “good education”. Universities have proven that if you have enough money they’ll sell you an education in pretty much anything you want.

So where is the targeted education? If Tasmania has a shortage of agricultural engineers where is the targeting funding that reduces the costs for those degrees. Why is it exactly that the less “useful” degrees are commonly the cheapest? Shouldn’t we want young people at universities to learn things that will pay the biggest dividend back to society? Why do we let people receive HECS and do degrees of which we know there is a high chance that they won’t be able to get a job using that skill.
Let’s figure out what jobs we need now and in the future and then focus our education and HECS funding towards that and then help shape students so they know what they are getting themselves into.

Personally I really don’t need another arts degree graduate who had to go work in the public service because they can’t get a job anywhere else.

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bigfeet 12:11 pm
21 May 14
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‘18000 job seekers to approximately 500 job ads in Tasmania’

So move then. I came to Canberra because that was where this job was. I would prefer to still be sitting in the tropics where I could put my boat in the water and get a couple of hours on the reef after work each day… but there were no jobs available…so I moved.

On the plus side though it is good to see Gen Y actively engaging with politicians and not just shouting them down.

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watto23 12:27 pm
21 May 14
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Kellamity said :

Forget having the government support your lifestyle, I would have been very interested to hear how you are expected to live if you are 28, have a mortgage (or even rent), and turn up at work one day to find that the business is going under and everyone will be out of work in two weeks. It can take months to find another job but the bills keep coming. The dole is barely enough to get by on (and doesn’t need to be any more than that) but it keeps you alive.

Exactly. there is a belief that the dole is being misused. I know many, many people who have been on the dole were well educated and struggled to find work for months and none of them wanted to stay on the dole, it was a pittance and they couldn’t understand why anyone would want to stay on the dole, but at least it fed them and kept some creditors at bay until they found a job.

This is just going to lead to more crime as people have no money. There are always going to be people who abuse the system, but start with those who have money and abuse the system like wealthy retirees getting a pension, the middle class as well. Why are the government not offering incentive based welfare as well.

That is the issue with the budget. Its the ideology of it. No one argues about making cuts, but why increase spending over the previous budget, then blame labor while also paying for a lot of expensive things in this budget that could wait a few years.

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dungfungus 12:52 pm
21 May 14
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bigfeet said :

‘18000 job seekers to approximately 500 job ads in Tasmania’

So move then. I came to Canberra because that was where this job was. I would prefer to still be sitting in the tropics where I could put my boat in the water and get a couple of hours on the reef after work each day… but there were no jobs available…so I moved.

On the plus side though it is good to see Gen Y actively engaging with politicians and not just shouting them down.

Yeah, all the thousands of jobs The Greens were claiming would happen from their clean/renewable energy economy must have been already snapped up (all two of them).
The Tasmanian whinger on Q&A should complain direct to Christine Milne.

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gospeedygo 1:13 pm
21 May 14
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bd84 said :

It’s about time they stopped giving the lazy people a free ride on the dole, the proposed changes sound fairly reasonable, whether they work in practice might need done fine tuning, but it’s better than doing nothing.

If they thing dealing with gen Y is difficult, just wait for dealing with the next generation born after 1990, born to self entitlement, spoon feeding, never hearing “no” and hugs as discipline growing up.

Attitudes like this have constantly made my blood boil since the welfare changes were announced, it’s utterly toxic and demonises all of those legitimate people on benefits you don’t hear about because of the stories of the mythical bludger who has stopped bothering to hide the bong when they have company and is living large on his/her dole money has been yelled in deafening roars from all the rooftops in the media for decades which has trickled down through to the attitudes people who know what it’s like to struggle but somehow forget all about it.

They should have a job already. They’re not looking trying enough. They’re lazy. They’re afraid of hard work. They’re entitled and demand handouts for nothing out of the pockets of taxpayers.

It’s exactly the kind of attitude government has reinforced with this budget, through their subsequent pressers/interviews.

There are plenty of reasonable and level headed young people who really want and are more than prepared to work hard and make lives for themselves. Like the rest of the population they also want reliable access to food and stable accommodation.

Newstart/YA isn’t a holiday; it’s a utilitarian safety net to prevent the vulnerable falling even lower and suffer the dire consequences and outcomes caused by easily avoidable poverty which, surprise, surprise has consequences for everyone. Healthy, stable and productive people are very beneficial for society in a lot of ways, not all of them measurable.

Even in good times, job hunting, combined with the aforementioned instability can be a stressful, demoralising and lengthy process. Calling people lazy and entitled helps no one.

Have a bloody heart, read less rupertnews and get rid of that stale bootstraps mentality.

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justin heywood 2:41 pm
21 May 14
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gospeedygo said :

Attitudes like this have constantly made my blood boil since the welfare changes were announced, it’s utterly toxic and demonises all of those legitimate people on benefits you don’t hear about because of the stories of the mythical bludger who has stopped bothering to hide the bong when they have company and is living large on his/her dole money has been yelled in deafening roars from all the rooftops in the media for decades which has trickled down through to the attitudes people who know what it’s like to struggle but somehow forget all about it.

The ‘dole bludger’ is not some mythical being invented by ‘Rupertnews’. If you don’t know many, many people who are abusing the welfare system, then you either don’t get out much or you have a different view of what a welfare safety net should be.

gospeedygo said :

Have a bloody heart, read less rupertnews and get rid of that stale bootstraps mentality.

Fairfax (SMH) ran a big piece on the weekend about the plight of two Year 12 St Andrew’s College students who, tragically, faced the prospect of abandoning their proposed overseas gap year due to possibly rising fees and reduced benefits.

Now St Andrews is an expensive, inner city private school, but the SMH played the story straight. We actually WERE supposed to feel for these two and to take it as further evidence of Abbott’s heartlessness. This is only one example of almost blanket negative media coverage for the Liberals.

But apparently, it’s only Murdoch that runs any kind of agenda in the Australian media,

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VYBerlinaV8_is_back 3:38 pm
21 May 14
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justin heywood said :

Fairfax (SMH) ran a big piece on the weekend about the plight of two Year 12 St Andrew’s College students who, tragically, faced the prospect of abandoning their proposed overseas gap year due to possibly rising fees and reduced benefits.

Two wealthy kids can’t take a gap year paid by mummy and daddy to ‘find themselves’? Wow, what is this country coming to…

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chewy14 4:45 pm
21 May 14
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VYBerlinaV8_is_back said :

justin heywood said :

Fairfax (SMH) ran a big piece on the weekend about the plight of two Year 12 St Andrew’s College students who, tragically, faced the prospect of abandoning their proposed overseas gap year due to possibly rising fees and reduced benefits.

Two wealthy kids can’t take a gap year paid by mummy and daddy to ‘find themselves’? Wow, what is this country coming to…

Haha, reminds me of a story a few years ago in the Daily Terrorgraph where a family were lamenting how difficult their lives were going to be due to government means testing of a family bemefit.
Apparently things were so tight that the family were going to be forced to sell their investment property to make ends meet. Funny stuff.

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Listers_Cat 5:07 pm
21 May 14
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bd84 said :

As a proper gen Y (born prior to 1990), all I can say is people need to harden the firetruck up and get out and find a job themselves. I’ve had job since I was 14, gone through Uni, remaining in the low paying retail job after finishing Uni, got a degree related job and worked hard to pay off my HECS and now a mortgage. Hard work does it for you.

Just because you’ve gone and gone some qualifications doesn’t mean you’re entitled to anything or that a job will fall into your lap. Particularly if you’ve gone and done a useless degree like arts or communications which qualify you for very little.

It seems to be an age of “I’m too good for that job so I won’t apply for it” instead of the realistic you start at the bottom job and work my way up by working hard. If there isn’t demand for your work in your area, you travel or move to where there is work. If you’re that desperate for work, take any job you can get. No shame at working at woolies or if a cafe to pay the bills. Walk through the shopping centres etc and there are lots of jobs in windows of shops. There probably isn’t one for every person in this country, but there would be enough to put a dent in the unemployment line.

It’s about time they stopped giving the lazy people a free ride on the dole, the proposed changes sound fairly reasonable, whether they work in practice might need done fine tuning, but it’s better than doing nothing.

If they thing dealing with gen Y is difficult, just wait for dealing with the next generation born after 1990, born to self entitlement, spoon feeding, never hearing “no” and hugs as discipline growing up.

I’m guessing you grew up in Canberra. It shows.

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Tetranitrate 5:19 pm
21 May 14
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neanderthalsis said :

By the look on this guy’s face, I imagine he probably had a fairly detailed and lengthy degree behind him. Does he really need to learn any more at this point in time?

I would say yes, he does. Obviously his original field of study was in an area where there is not sufficient demand for labour so he should retrain in a field where there are employment opportunities or move to an area where his skills are in demand. Having a degree does not mean that you are guaranteed employment and doesn’t put you at the top of the shortlist for advertised jobs. Instead of bleating about not being able to find a job people need to put more effort into making themselves more competitive in the jobs market.

There seems to be an all pervasive sense of entitlement that has crept into almost all sectors of the community. Merely having kids, having a qualification, having private health insurance, using childcare, running a manufacturing business or not having a job seems to make people think that it is the role of government to support their lifestyle.

Oh come on.
Lots of companies have cut grad intakes over the past 3-4 years, it’s very possible that someone could have done a degree in something as ‘useless’ as mining engineering and still missed a spot in grad rounds. Doesn’t mean they won’t enter the field in the next round the year after or through getting a job in the field through other means.

Should they get a job, any job to tide them over? absolutely

Should they spend months or even a year doing an unrelated Cert or Diploma that they’ll likely never use at the public’s expense? no, that’s a ridiculous waste of resources

While searching for a job (keeping in mind there are already job search requirements on newstart, ect) their Job Services Australia Provider will be watching them, pushing them to take any job that comes along and they face being breached if they don’t take a job that they’re offered (and the JSA providers reverse market as well) – given that I don’t see why they shouldn’t get newstart while search for a job. Discriminating based on age is obscene, good thing this BS is going to be shot down in the senate.

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