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Time to shine climate nuts! Mayor Rattenbury opens the gates of hell!

By 17 January 2014 66

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As if the whole city wasn’t irritable enough as the bricks of our homes start to glow from the accumulated heat.

Now Shane Rattenbury has been unable to restrain himself and has linked the heatwave to carbon emissions thereby kicking off the most annoying argument known to man.

As Canberra faces its third consecutive day of extreme heat, we are starting to experience firsthand the impacts of climate change in our city, said ACT Greens Member for Molonglo, Shane Rattenbury, MLA.

“2013 was Australia’s hottest year since records began in 1910. 2014 has begun with heatwaves travelling across the country and according to findings released by the Climate Council; we can expect more of the same in the future,” said Mr Rattenbury.

“Heatwaves are hotter, lasting longer and occurring more frequently, increasing the risk and severity of bushfires and drought. The Abbott Government’s failure to take action on global warming is negligent.

“The ACT is a national leader in renewable energy and we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of global warming. However, the Abbott Government is determined to ignore the science and listen only to its big business mates.

“It astounds me that while people in Canberra – and all over the nation – are already feeling the effects of global warming, Tony Abbott would let his ideological position get in the way of the hard facts.

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66 Responses to Time to shine climate nuts! Mayor Rattenbury opens the gates of hell!
#1
IrishPete11:39 am, 17 Jan 14

Well, to be fair he is saying it as Greens MLA not a Government Minister, so he can say what he likes. Greens MPs at all levels have been saying this all over the media this week. Apart perhaps from the Tasmania State MPs as they’re too busy being sacked from the Government.

Though I’m a paid up member of the Climate Nuts Party, I think I would have been more circumspect and said “we are experiencing firsthand the impacts that climate change will have in our city”, as it would take some of the wind out of the sails of the “one swallow doesn’t make a summer” and “one speck of rain on my window pane… [Google it]” Brigade.

IP

#2
Roundhead8911:41 am, 17 Jan 14

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, and no amount of Chicken Little armageddon nonsense every time the temperature goes above 30 degrees during summer will make people take them seriously.

#3
davo10112:31 pm, 17 Jan 14

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

#4
HiddenDragon12:53 pm, 17 Jan 14

Stanhope seemed to do quite well out of shaking his fists at Howard, so it’s hardly surprising that others should follow that lead.

I would be interested to know what, in practice, is meant by “we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of global warming”.

#5
MERC60012:53 pm, 17 Jan 14

Ah good he’s back.

Must ring about me street potholes.

#6
maxblues1:03 pm, 17 Jan 14

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

#7
IrishPete1:09 pm, 17 Jan 14

HiddenDragon said :

Stanhope seemed to do quite well out of shaking his fists at Howard, so it’s hardly surprising that others should follow that lead.

I would be interested to know what, in practice, is meant by “we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of global warming”.

90% renewables by 2020? Though they don’t say what day. I presume it isn’t 2020 this evening, as the sun will have gone down by twenty past eight.

Of course in a small non-industrial city like Canberra it is largely symbolic, but leading by example is morally better than waiting for everyone else to act first.

But I can’t wait to see where the windfarms will go (because you aren’t going to get much solar PV at night). Perhaps some of the dams could have small hydro-electric power stations, like ACTEW did in Burra.

I do hope it’s not like Jon Stanhope’s No Waste 2010 which turned out not to be either a time or a year, which he dealt with by becoming No Stanhope 2011.

IP

#8
Rollersk8r1:09 pm, 17 Jan 14

MERC600 said :

Ah good he’s back.

Must ring about me street potholes.

No don’t do that – you’ll just end up with speed cushions! :P Fortunately speed cushions also fight climate change, with all the improved pedestrian safety and whatnot, especially in outer suburbia…

#9
HiddenDragon1:31 pm, 17 Jan 14

….”Of course in a small non-industrial city like Canberra it is largely symbolic, but leading by example is morally better than waiting for everyone else to act first. “…. [IrishPete #7]

Yes, that was essentially my point – “decisive action to avoid…” might conjure up images of a Monty Burns style sun-shield for Canberra, which I assume is unlikely…. Perhaps the heat, and the heat of the moment, would explain the over-enthusiastic wording.

#10
maxblues1:41 pm, 17 Jan 14

maxblues said :

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

For those that missed it, the Greens were made to walk the plank only yesterday.

#11
Garfield1:48 pm, 17 Jan 14

Rollersk8r said :

MERC600 said :

Fortunately speed cushions also fight climate change, with all the improved pedestrian safety and whatnot, especially in outer suburbia…

I would have said that speed cushions fight against climate change as they require vehicles to brake and then accelerate again thus using more fuel than necessary. My car tells me how much fuel I’m using at any given moment and the petrol saved when slowing down is more than offset by the amount used when speeding up. Unless I’m mistaken doesn’t more fuel used equal more CO2 emitted?

#12
switch1:49 pm, 17 Jan 14

MERC600 said :

Ah good he’s back.

Must ring about me street potholes.

Answer: “The ACT is a national leader in traffic frustration, sorry, calming, and we are taking decisive action to avoid the worst impacts of inverted potholes…”

#13
bigfeet1:53 pm, 17 Jan 14

Roundhead89 said :

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, and no amount of Chicken Little armageddon nonsense every time the temperature goes above 30 degrees during summer will make people take them seriously.

You mean the same way that the Alan Jones brigade use every occasion they need to wear a cardigan as proof that climate change is crap?

They can’t both be right.

I think I’ll go with the side that has the vast majority of scientific evidence and peer reviewed research thanks.

#14
belowra2:01 pm, 17 Jan 14

It is undoubtedly the most annoying argument known to man, but refusing to have that argument is just surrendering the field to the denialists when all the intellectually rigourous ammunition is on one side and loud and aggressive noise is the main weapon of the denialists.

#15
IrishPete2:06 pm, 17 Jan 14

maxblues said :

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

Not sure that metaphor works. Rats voluntarily leave a sinking ship. The Tasmanian Greens Ministers were told “don’t come to work tomorrow”. Oddly it all seems to have been done in very good humour – I saw some Tweets reproduced somewhere saying “no hard feelings” and stuff like that.

IP

#16
Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd2:22 pm, 17 Jan 14

CLIMATE CHANGE IS CRAP!

#17
Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd2:23 pm, 17 Jan 14

Roundhead89 said :

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, and no amount of Chicken Little armageddon nonsense every time the temperature goes above 30 degrees during summer will make people take them seriously.

Effing lol, dude, you are the one who can’t be taken seriously. Science wins, not some denying nutter.

#18
Nylex_Clock2:29 pm, 17 Jan 14

Roundhead89 said :

OMG! Do we have to go through this all again? When will the climate change brigade get it through their thick green heads that they will never win this argument, blah blah blah

It is not those who accept facts, data and reality that have thick heads.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/index.shtml#tabs=Tracker&tracker=extremes-timeseries&tQ%5Bgraph%5D=TN90&tQ%5Bave_yr%5D=0

Climate change is as real as continental drift. Doesn’t stop the nutters from denying reality, and the fact that they refuse to accept that reality is what makes those argumentative nutters so annoying.

#19
wildturkeycanoe2:45 pm, 17 Jan 14

“Heatwaves are hotter, lasting longer and occurring more frequently, increasing the risk and severity of bushfires and drought. The Abbott Government’s failure to take action on global warming is negligent.”
And how was Tony supposed to prevent these heatwaves when he has only been in power for less than 6 months? A little less political hot air would be nice.
Our entire nation could do everything in it’s power to stop global warming locally, but as has been pointed out by those in the know, we only contribute around 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. If we stopped producing it altogether, it wouldn’t make a speck of difference until China, USA and the EU change their ways [which they won't]. We are doomed suffer the consequences because money talks and those who have the money talk louder than environmentalists.

#20
Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd2:56 pm, 17 Jan 14

wildturkeycanoe said :

“Heatwaves are hotter, lasting longer and occurring more frequently, increasing the risk and severity of bushfires and drought. The Abbott Government’s failure to take action on global warming is negligent.”
And how was Tony supposed to prevent these heatwaves when he has only been in power for less than 6 months? A little less political hot air would be nice.
Our entire nation could do everything in it’s power to stop global warming locally, but as has been pointed out by those in the know, we only contribute around 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. If we stopped producing it altogether, it wouldn’t make a speck of difference until China, USA and the EU change their ways [which they won't]. We are doomed suffer the consequences because money talks and those who have the money talk louder than environmentalists.

Been talking to mr g, have we?

#21
Deref3:02 pm, 17 Jan 14

We’re so lucky, and rarely grateful enough, that we have so many people on RA who are so much smarter than all those silly scientists.

#22
Holden Caulfield3:11 pm, 17 Jan 14

davo101 said :

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

OMFG, AREN’T YOU LISTENING!

The pain, suffering and death is coming. We’ve just had four stinking hot days. I ask you, how many horsemen of the apocalypse are there?

What more proof could one possibly need.

#23
Rollersk8r3:36 pm, 17 Jan 14

Garfield said :

Rollersk8r said :

MERC600 said :

Fortunately speed cushions also fight climate change, with all the improved pedestrian safety and whatnot, especially in outer suburbia…

I would have said that speed cushions fight against climate change as they require vehicles to brake and then accelerate again thus using more fuel than necessary. My car tells me how much fuel I’m using at any given moment and the petrol saved when slowing down is more than offset by the amount used when speeding up. Unless I’m mistaken doesn’t more fuel used equal more CO2 emitted?

I was clearly joking – although Rattenbury would have you believe that slowing cars down everywhere encourages walking and cycling…

#24
Nylex_Clock3:49 pm, 17 Jan 14

wildturkeycanoe said :

Our entire nation could do everything in it’s power to stop global warming locally, but as has been pointed out by those in the know, we only contribute around 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. If we stopped producing it altogether, it wouldn’t make a speck of difference until China, USA and the EU change their ways [which they won't].

More ignorant bafflegob from a fossil-fuel dupe.

Here is what the Eu have been doing with vehicle emissions:
http://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/New_car_CO2_2012_to_2020.png

The EU has a target of 20% reduction,
http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/package/index_en.htm
here is how Germany is travelling:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/graphics/gerpc.gif

OECD average for renewables as a proportion of all electricity generation:
http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/290-width/images/print-edition/20120728_EUC696.png
(Even the US is investing heavily in renewables).

And finally, no country is doing as much as China is as far as investing in renewables:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

They’re all doing their bit, even the US. Australia is doing three fifths of #@%$all. We have a lot of catching up to do to take care of our share. If we had invested in new technologies 30 years ago, we would be the ones exporting turbines and solar plant all around the world, instead it is the Denmark, Spain and China that are raking in the money from these technologies while Australia’s un-modernised manufacturing continues to collapse due to the influence of unimaginative do-nothings who refuse to see the path to future prosperity.
It’s about doing the right thing, investing in future technologies, and modernising our economy.

#25
astrojax4:03 pm, 17 Jan 14

davo101 said :

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

yebbut, what’s your imaginary friend doing about this damn climate change, huh?

#26
davo1014:25 pm, 17 Jan 14

Holden Caulfield said :

davo101 said :

kicking off the most annoying argument known to man

I think the “my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend” argument is far more annoying. How much pain, suffering and death has this brought us down through history?

OMFG, AREN’T YOU LISTENING!

The pain, suffering and death is coming. We’ve just had four stinking hot days. I ask you, how many horsemen of the apocalypse are there?

What more proof could one possibly need.

You are missing the key word here: most. Yes global warming arguments are annoying. However, there are people out there, right now, killing other people because of difference in opinion about a mutually imagined friend.

#27
gazket4:46 pm, 17 Jan 14

All the Greens have had heat stroke this week. I bet the ABC is dribbling as well this week .

#28
maxblues6:52 pm, 17 Jan 14

IrishPete said :

maxblues said :

Maybe Rats is feeling the heat after Tasmanian Labor sacked the two Green MPs from the minority government and then called an election. Premier Giddings acknowledged that the punters are not happy with the govt performance and are now throwing the Greens overboard. Rats and sinking ships?

Not sure that metaphor works. Rats voluntarily leave a sinking ship. The Tasmanian Greens Ministers were told “don’t come to work tomorrow”. Oddly it all seems to have been done in very good humour – I saw some Tweets reproduced somewhere saying “no hard feelings” and stuff like that.

IP

Not only were the Greens awarded the DCM, they were also given a long weekend as well and you’re right, it is humorous.

#29
Silentforce7:35 pm, 17 Jan 14

Why does no one question weather records used to compare todays events to former events date between 20 years ago and onwards? wasn’t the precedent set then?

I recall when refrigeration repair firms hoped for consistent temps’ in Canberra above 36 degrees; a lot of overtime, exorbitant after hours call out fees and profitable compressor changes.

#30
CraigT8:24 pm, 17 Jan 14

Silentforce said :

Why does no one question weather records used to compare todays events to former events date between 20 years ago and onwards? .

Because that’s how science works. Nobody ever questions anything in science, and no scientist ever points it out when another scientist has failed to question something.

You will probably be nominated for a Nobel Prize for your stunning insight into questioning things, an insight that has eluded the hundreds of thousands of working scientists with IQs high in the 3-figures.

Alternatively, you are an ignorant chump.

Hmm…where would Tom Waterhouse put his money…?

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