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‘Traffic calming’ – your insights needed

By miz - 10 March 2013 25

I would love to hear other Rioters’ experiences – good and bad – in relation to traffic calming measures. Significant traffic changes are proposed for Chisholm, RIchardson and Gilmore – namely roundabouts, raised intersections, platforms, and speed cushions. I am particularly interested in whether you have experienced these devices in your residential area, and/or whether such measures have affected your driving route choice.
This post is a bit long but please bear with me!

Here’s the factual stuff:
The proposal, for community input, is at http://timetotalk.act.gov.au/community-engagements/?engagement=residential-street-improvement-study-for-chisholm-gilmore-and-richardson
Map of where the traffic devices could go is here http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/425438/Map_ChisholmRichardsonGilmore.pdf
Devices are here http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/425440/Chisholm_Richardson_Gilmore_Impacts_of_traffic_calming_devices.pdf

I have some concerns about the proposal:

First, I am worried they are trying to solve a perceived traffic problem in these suburbs from the wrong end – ie, the survey is asking the wrong question. To me it seems obvious that the excess traffic on the roads in question is mainly caused by people trying to avoid the major thoroughfares that adjoin these suburbs, which are still mainly two way single lane (Erindale Dr, Johnson Dr, Isabella Dr). To extrapolate, it appears that Roads ACT has not kept up with the traffic needs of this part of Tuggeranong and is now trying (thru the proposed measures) to force people onto these same roads that we all know won’t cope with the traffic in peak periods. I think we would be better served if the traffic flow was monitored on major thoroughfares IN THE SAME WINDOW as the monitoring of the suburban streets, instead of having the narrow, uncontextualised focus of this survey. Surely it would be better to address the root of the problem instead of tinkering around the edges?

Second, I am worried that the impact of the traffic calming is going to be worse than the perceived problem we already have (I say ‘perceived’ because I live in Chisholm and wouldn’t have a problem if things stayed as they are now). They involve improved signage, roundabouts, raised platforms, speed cushions, and raised intersections. I have several main concerns about this aspect:
Roundabouts: We already have a roundabout at Heagney/Goldstein which is not ideal. They had to replace the first version and put in a ‘fried egg’ as buses couldn’t get around it. It is still a tight fit even for my Corolla.
Platforms: the one in the picture looks like the ones on Bugden Cres, Gowrie. The Bugden ones don’t seem to have made a perceptible difference to the amount of cars using that street as a rat run. Of even more concern is that the TAMS material notes that these devices increase traffic noise. Does anyone have anything positive to say on these things? I know I would hate it in my street. It seems to me that the only places where these measures would be useful is with pedestrian crossings outside the schools on Heagney and Hambidge, and at the new park on Heagney (though underpasses would be better).
Raised intersections: the one in the picture seems to be the one outside the Southern Cross Club at Woden. Surely such a measure is overkill in a suburb? Does anyone know where one of these exists in a suburb, and whether it actually makes any difference to traffic flow?
Speed cushions: these look like the things on Flinders Way Red Hill adjacent to Boys’ Grammar. IMHO, they are no earthly use, as cars (even my Corolla) can straddle them. The TAMS material claims they can cause traffic to be diverted. Has anyone experienced this or decided to go another way because of speed cushions?

Third, the calming measures cover every possible route out of Chisholm and Gilmore. We do need to travel out of our own suburb sometimes, people! It all seems a little OTT. I am also wondering what bussies will make of it all.

What do others think?

What’s Your opinion?


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25 Responses to
‘Traffic calming’ – your insights needed
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tommy 2:34 pm
10 Mar 13
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Generally these ideas came from your local community – you may have to track the individual or group responsible. The other source is repeated car crashes.

Doubt ACT govt would just randomly spend money on this.

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Felix the Cat 3:54 pm
10 Mar 13
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TL;DR

So you are against these traffic calming devices?
There are some in Holt (not sure the name of the street) and they have been fairly contreversial since they were put in. The residentts seem to hate them, so much that there was a front page story on The Chronicle about it the other week.

I don’t live or drive in the area so it doesn’t effect me personally and there are none in the area that I do live in.

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screaming banshee 4:00 pm
10 Mar 13
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tommy said :

Doubt ACT govt would just randomly spend money on this.

But is it art, maybe

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bundah 4:10 pm
10 Mar 13
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Yep i admit the speed cushions on Flinders Way piss me off so i now avoid it.Of course that wouldn’t be coz my car’s suspension was low and hard!

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deye 4:33 pm
10 Mar 13
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I generally call them traffic enraging devices, that only annoy the local residents. They don’t tend to change my driving behaviour.

I find most of them rather pointless. Case in point I was on a road down in Melbourne a week or so ago on a very wide 4 lane 60 kph thoroughfare which would have carried most of the traffic for the suburb, and those dam pillows were placed in both lanes every 200m or so for about a kilometre and a half. why ? there was no reason for them except to annoy every driver who would have to go through them every single day.

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Deckard 6:48 pm
10 Mar 13
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Lots of answers about speed cushions in this thread.

http://the-riotact.com/victory-declared-over-the-holt-raceway/81132

Say hello to the constant buddump buddump if they install one outside you house. There are also friendly people who show their appreciation by honking every time they go over one. Then to top things off they’re also used by hoons to lift the car up a fraction to begin a burn out.

Enjoy!

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wildturkeycanoe 8:13 pm
10 Mar 13
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Deckard said :

Lots of answers about speed cushions in this thread.

http://the-riotact.com/victory-declared-over-the-holt-raceway/81132

Say hello to the constant buddump buddump if they install one outside you house. There are also friendly people who show their appreciation by honking every time they go over one. Then to top things off they’re also used by hoons to lift the car up a fraction to begin a burn out.

Enjoy!

+1 – I just went past one of these directly before a roundabout [obviously to slow traffic entering the roundabout] and there was a good load of rubber laid after it, obviously people disgruntled at having to lose all that speed and then get it back up again as soon as possible. I personally hate them as they are just a nuisance to everyone and if you wanted to speed, it can be done by straddling them anyway. They say bumps are smoother if you go over them faster anyway.

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LSWCHP 8:42 pm
10 Mar 13
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I’m speaking from ignorance here, but if someone put an annoying traffic pillow (whatever that is) outside your house, would it take much effort to remove it?

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knuckles 8:48 pm
10 Mar 13
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I can tell you patients in the back of ambulances don’t like them.

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cranky 8:59 pm
10 Mar 13
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I would have to suggest the chicanes are the most likely to reduce speed/least likely to infuriate locals method of controlling speed.

Perhaps a study of the results of the installations on Learmonth Drive would be educational.

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T1G3R 9:02 pm
10 Mar 13
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I use these roads alot and all i see is some major frustration coming my way. The reason I take these inner suburb roads is to AVOID roundabouts. The traffic on these roads isn’t even high, especially the ones in Chisholm. retarded! What they need to put money towards is Erindale Dr roundabout that intersects Sternberg? (spelling sorry) That’s where it backs up quite a bit.

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Primal 9:45 pm
10 Mar 13
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Well the upgrades for Erindale Dr and Ashley Dr are still a couple of years a way, so I doubt they’ll wait to see the impact of those before going ahead with it.

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deye 9:57 pm
10 Mar 13
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cranky said :

I would have to suggest the chicanes are the most likely to reduce speed/least likely to infuriate locals method of controlling speed.

nope, seem about the same as bumps and pillows.

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Pork Hunt 10:21 pm
10 Mar 13
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LSWCHP said :

I’m speaking from ignorance here, but if someone put an annoying traffic pillow (whatever that is) outside your house, would it take much effort to remove it?

There are few problems in this world that cannot be solved with the suitable application of high explosives…

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miz 10:23 pm
10 Mar 13
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Thanks everyone for taking the time – most appreciated. Sounds like I am right to be worried.

Locals: according to the website, there is an info session at Caroline Chisholm Primary on Thursday 14 March 2013 between 4.30 pm – 7.30 pm.

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