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Tralee (Canberra’s own Lucas Heights) starts selling.

By 17 February 2014 67

image from The Canberra Times

Affordable Tralee a boon for buyers Canberra Times puff piece: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/affordable-tralee-a-boon-for-buyers-20140216-32u7u.html

It’s interesting that the article does not mention the airport noise issue at all. If history is any guide, the residents will start complaining by the time their first rate bill arrives.

When the flight path gets moved over Canberra, everyone should remember the Villains Village Building Company’s contribution to our fair city.

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67 Responses to
Tralee (Canberra’s own Lucas Heights) starts selling.
farq 10:45 pm
17 Feb 14
#1

Building under the airport approach/departure airspace is just crazy and we all know how this is going to end.

It’s like when someone buys a unit next to a brilliant live music venue.. and then they complain about the noise.

HiddenDragon 12:42 am
18 Feb 14
#2

And when the seemingly inevitable happens, there will be wide-eyed surprise all around.

grunge_hippy 7:15 am
18 Feb 14
#3

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

miz 7:21 am
18 Feb 14
#4

You have to be mad to think Tralee is going to be a pleasant place to live.

Stormfront Org 8:05 am
18 Feb 14
#5

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

This!
I know a couple of colleagues who live there, no problems.
And after a while people don’t tend to notice the noise anyway.

It seems to me that the ones commenting negatively (esp. on CT comments page) are the ones who’d bought overpriced blocks in scheiße-hole suburb of Crace and similar new neighbouring developments (don’t even know the names of other suburbs).
If you look at it, Tralee is only a short drive to Fyshwick, Woden and Queanbeyan.
I wish all future residents of Tralee good luck and congratulate them.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 8:53 am
18 Feb 14
#6

Yes, it’s near the flight path. Yes, there will be aircraft noise.

But with the price of new land in the ACT, do you really blame people for buying there? I have no doubt there will eventually be noise sharing, but until the ACT government pulls its finger out and gets on top of its land release program, people will be searching for better value alternatives. Tralee is well priced, well located, and you’ll have a new home, not a cold, leaky ex-guvvy in a NIMBY suburb.

m00nee 9:00 am
18 Feb 14
#7

Read the “article”, or as they should have said: This has been a paid announcement of the Village Building Company. Wonder how much Bob Winnel paid those 2 to camp out overnight.

Affordable? What a load of BS. You can get land and/or house land packages for the same or less in the ACT, and Googong land is up to $40,000 less for similar sized blocks. Add in the cost of the noise insulation and you are looking at substantial premium to live in the prestige area, beside the flight path and behind the expanding industrial estate.

Diggety 9:53 am
18 Feb 14
#8

I don’t understand the Lucas Heights comparison.

Tralee doesn’t look too bad, and along with only a few other locations in the Canberra area, are where I could almost justify the price of land.

You sound very ‘involved’ in this farq what’s wrong?

arescarti42 10:07 am
18 Feb 14
#9

“The firefighter said land in the capital was almost unaffordable for the average Canberran and he hoped Tralee will be a wake-up call for the territory.”

And there you have it. If the ACT Government’s land release program was focused on providing affordable land and housing instead of abusing its monopoly power to extract enormous profits from new home buyers, there’d be no need to build houses under the flight path in NSW.

Roundhead89 10:15 am
18 Feb 14
#10

Reminds me of how Harry Seidler lobbied the NSW government to close Luna Park and sell the land to him for a unit development. The NSW government refused to sell so Seidler bought a block next door, built a block of units on it, moved into the penthouse then took legal action against Luna Park over the noise. The court ruled that Luna Park could stay but the big dipper had to be closed down.

The Sydney Morning Herald published an uncomplimentary cartoon about Seidler’s developments, Seidler sued for defo and won. Fairfax had to pay the multimillionaire a huge compo payout. The day after Seidler died the SMH published the cartoon again, this time on the front page.

Erg0 10:35 am
18 Feb 14
#11

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

Noise complaints are usually attributable to a small group of dedicated whingers. I recall reading in a previous RA article that a large proportion of the airport’s current noise complaints come from one guy with a noise meter. I guess Jerra hasn’t developed a motivated cadre yet.

NoImRight 10:46 am
18 Feb 14
#12

Is that his friend…”Tim”?

tommy 11:32 am
18 Feb 14
#13

Ages ago when this was all controversial I went out to have a look myself. The planes are pretty high in the air and Tralee is a long way from the airport.

If you can’t be bothered driving out, watch a few landings and takeoffs on flightradar24.com – most take offs I’ve seen go north rather than south anyway.

eg http://fr24.com/VOZ1210

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 11:49 am
18 Feb 14
#14

arescarti42 said :

“The firefighter said land in the capital was almost unaffordable for the average Canberran and he hoped Tralee will be a wake-up call for the territory.”

And there you have it. If the ACT Government’s land release program was focused on providing affordable land and housing instead of abusing its monopoly power to extract enormous profits from new home buyers, there’d be no need to build houses under the flight path in NSW.

Spot on. This will blow back on ACT residents, and the ACT government is the problem.

switch 11:59 am
18 Feb 14
#15

Diggety said :

I don’t understand the Lucas Heights comparison.

I think it is alluding to the fact that the nuclear research reactor at Lucas Heights, built back in the fifties, well and truly predated anyone buying land there now. Sydney was a lot further away in those days.

chewy14 3:04 pm
18 Feb 14
#16

Stormfront Org said :

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

This!
I know a couple of colleagues who live there, no problems.
And after a while people don’t tend to notice the noise anyway.

It seems to me that the ones commenting negatively (esp. on CT comments page) are the ones who’d bought overpriced blocks in scheiße-hole suburb of Crace and similar new neighbouring developments (don’t even know the names of other suburbs).
If you look at it, Tralee is only a short drive to Fyshwick, Woden and Queanbeyan.
I wish all future residents of Tralee good luck and congratulate them.

The funny thing being that although Tralee looks close, at present the main road connection is going to be through Jerrabomberra. A nice 5-6km drive just to get to the monaro highway.

chewy14 3:18 pm
18 Feb 14
#17

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

Oh and didn’t complaints from Jerra force them to change the southerly takeoff route (to over the Tralee area) 20 odd years ago?

watto23 4:06 pm
18 Feb 14
#18

chewy14 said :

Stormfront Org said :

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

This!
I know a couple of colleagues who live there, no problems.
And after a while people don’t tend to notice the noise anyway.

It seems to me that the ones commenting negatively (esp. on CT comments page) are the ones who’d bought overpriced blocks in scheiße-hole suburb of Crace and similar new neighbouring developments (don’t even know the names of other suburbs).
If you look at it, Tralee is only a short drive to Fyshwick, Woden and Queanbeyan.
I wish all future residents of Tralee good luck and congratulate them.

The funny thing being that although Tralee looks close, at present the main road connection is going to be through Jerrabomberra. A nice 5-6km drive just to get to the monaro highway.

Actually that is another part of the problem. They will build a direct link to the monaro further adding to congestion on that road. As a non Jerra resident with friends there i can hear the planes. I’m sure there will be a fight if those in Tralee ever try and move the flight paths. There is more than enough public material regarding how this was a bad idea, hopefully they’ll get no sympathy if they complain.

Yes the ACT gov could release more land, but guess what, then existing owners would face a depreciation on their land also and if they sold would lose money. Its not as simple as everyone makes it out to be. Just like interest rates going down is often bad for self funded retirees.

chewy14 4:55 pm
18 Feb 14
#19

watto23 said :

chewy14 said :

Stormfront Org said :

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

This!
I know a couple of colleagues who live there, no problems.
And after a while people don’t tend to notice the noise anyway.

It seems to me that the ones commenting negatively (esp. on CT comments page) are the ones who’d bought overpriced blocks in scheiße-hole suburb of Crace and similar new neighbouring developments (don’t even know the names of other suburbs).
If you look at it, Tralee is only a short drive to Fyshwick, Woden and Queanbeyan.
I wish all future residents of Tralee good luck and congratulate them.

The funny thing being that although Tralee looks close, at present the main road connection is going to be through Jerrabomberra. A nice 5-6km drive just to get to the monaro highway.

Actually that is another part of the problem. They will build a direct link to the monaro further adding to congestion on that road. As a non Jerra resident with friends there i can hear the planes. I’m sure there will be a fight if those in Tralee ever try and move the flight paths. There is more than enough public material regarding how this was a bad idea, hopefully they’ll get no sympathy if they complain.

Yes the ACT gov could release more land, but guess what, then existing owners would face a depreciation on their land also and if they sold would lose money. Its not as simple as everyone makes it out to be. Just like interest rates going down is often bad for self funded retirees.

How do you know they will be making a road connection to the highway? From the plans on their website it only says “possible future road connection” or something similar. I was assuming that Roads ACT were denying them a connection based on the problems you’ve raised.

Unless you’ve got other information, I think they’ll be connecting through Jerra.

arescarti42 5:02 pm
18 Feb 14
#20

watto23 said :

Yes the ACT gov could release more land, but guess what, then existing owners would face a depreciation on their land also and if they sold would lose money. Its not as simple as everyone makes it out to be. Just like interest rates going down is often bad for self funded retirees.

Since when is it the role of the Government to artificially manipulate the market and deny current and future generations affordable shelter in order to gift unearned, undeserved windfall gains to existing homeowners?

Because that’s what you’re suggesting, and that’s what the ACT Government is currently doing.

JC 7:24 pm
18 Feb 14
#21

Diggety said :

I don’t understand the Lucas Heights comparison.

I was going to write the same thing then it dawned on me what the poster was trying to say. Basically Lucas heights was first, then came the residents nearby that started to complain. Same as what the OP thinks will happen in Tralee.

JC 7:30 pm
18 Feb 14
#22

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

Actually yes they did and the flight paths were changed. Back in the day flights from the north landing towards the north would turn much closer to Jerrabomberra Mountain. The residents complained and had them moved further out. Ironically the point where the turning aircraft now pick up the run into the runway is right over where the Tralee development is going.

Oh residents of Hackett and Palmerston also complained about aircraft noise heading towards Melbourne, end result is these aircraft now much further to the north than before, before turning back towards Melbourne.

JC 7:33 pm
18 Feb 14
#23

chewy14 said :

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

Oh and didn’t complaints from Jerra force them to change the southerly takeoff route (to over the Tralee area) 20 odd years ago?

Landing to the north yes to go a bit wider, but take off to the south they have always gone pretty straight as they do now. As mentioned in the post above residents of Hackett/Watson and Palmerston had the take off route for flights to Melbourne changed to go further north before heading back to Melbourne. Adds about 5 minutes to the trip.

pptvb 8:22 pm
18 Feb 14
#24

watto23 said :

chewy14 said :

Stormfront Org said :

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

This!
I know a couple of colleagues who live there, no problems.
And after a while people don’t tend to notice the noise anyway.

It seems to me that the ones commenting negatively (esp. on CT comments page) are the ones who’d bought overpriced blocks in scheiße-hole suburb of Crace and similar new neighbouring developments (don’t even know the names of other suburbs).
If you look at it, Tralee is only a short drive to Fyshwick, Woden and Queanbeyan.
I wish all future residents of Tralee good luck and congratulate them.

The funny thing being that although Tralee looks close, at present the main road connection is going to be through Jerrabomberra. A nice 5-6km drive just to get to the monaro highway.

Actually that is another part of the problem. They will build a direct link to the monaro further adding to congestion on that road. As a non Jerra resident with friends there i can hear the planes. I’m sure there will be a fight if those in Tralee ever try and move the flight paths. There is more than enough public material regarding how this was a bad idea, hopefully they’ll get no sympathy if they complain.

Yes the ACT gov could release more land, but guess what, then existing owners would face a depreciation on their land also and if they sold would lose money. Its not as simple as everyone makes it out to be. Just like interest rates going down is often bad for self funded retirees.

What’s the ACT gov’s motivation to put a road through to the Monaro Hwy?
As I’ve read it, access through Hume or lack of it, has always been the unspoken issue with the Tralee development. It is a rather large assumption……….

Deref 8:24 pm
18 Feb 14
#25

switch said :

Diggety said :

I don’t understand the Lucas Heights comparison.

I think it is alluding to the fact that the nuclear research reactor at Lucas Heights, built back in the fifties, well and truly predated anyone buying land there now. Sydney was a lot further away in those days.

Yes, and to the fact that the people who bought land near the reactor immediately started complaining about it.

MrBigEars 9:07 pm
18 Feb 14
#26

Deref said :

switch said :

Diggety said :

I don’t understand the Lucas Heights comparison.

I think it is alluding to the fact that the nuclear research reactor at Lucas Heights, built back in the fifties, well and truly predated anyone buying land there now. Sydney was a lot further away in those days.

Yes, and to the fact that the people who bought land near the reactor immediately started complaining about it.

In fairness, some of them were under the misapprehension that ANSTO was going to close down and go away.

miz 10:28 pm
18 Feb 14
#27

chewy14 said :

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

Oh and didn’t complaints from Jerra force them to change the southerly takeoff route (to over the Tralee area) 20 odd years ago?

This. But it won’t happen again – there’s nowhere else for it to go, and they have known all along. And ACT Govt is adamant they will not be spending a penny on infrastructure to assist Tralee-ites.

HiddenDragon 1:34 am
19 Feb 14
#28

arescarti42 said :

watto23 said :

Yes the ACT gov could release more land, but guess what, then existing owners would face a depreciation on their land also and if they sold would lose money. Its not as simple as everyone makes it out to be. Just like interest rates going down is often bad for self funded retirees.

Since when is it the role of the Government to artificially manipulate the market and deny current and future generations affordable shelter in order to gift unearned, undeserved windfall gains to existing homeowners?

Because that’s what you’re suggesting, and that’s what the ACT Government is currently doing.

I don’t think the gifting of “unearned, undeserved windfall gains to existing homeowners” is the primary motivation of the ACT Government – it is surely about revenue – in this case, primarily from land sales. It might also be argued that ACT Government revenue benefits from high property prices through stamp duty and rates, but it is, of course, be open to the ACT Government to vary the percentages at which those taxes are charged, in order to maintain revenue levels in the event of stagnant or falling prices (or activity) – the new rates system is doing just that.

Criticisms about propping up property prices for other reasons are probably better levelled at Federal Governments (of both persuasions) and their authorities – in the case of the Reserve Bank, I suppose they could be forgiven for having some concerns about the effect a substantial property price correction could have on the stability of our banking system.

All of that said, yes – there is a serious issue (and has been for some years) about property prices in Australia.

tommy 8:58 am
19 Feb 14
#29

JC said :

grunge_hippy said :

the flight path is over Jerra, do they complain?

Actually yes they did and the flight paths were changed. Back in the day flights from the north landing towards the north would turn much closer to Jerrabomberra Mountain. The residents complained and had them moved further out. Ironically the point where the turning aircraft now pick up the run into the runway is right over where the Tralee development is going.

Oh residents of Hackett and Palmerston also complained about aircraft noise heading towards Melbourne, end result is these aircraft now much further to the north than before, before turning back towards Melbourne.

I had a look at the map of where the actual development is going. You can see they are quite clever and avoid the flightpath area for housing and put green space in the ‘noise area’. The noise area seems to be worst case – ie if planes take off south which seems to rarely happen (anecdotally I can’t remember taking off south). For landing, the planes are still very high.

http://www.traleevillage.com.au/pdf/DA42.2%20Structure%20Plan%20%20For%20Web%20140205B_and_Directional%20Map_v2.PDF

It’s probably in ACT’s interests to play nice – as all those new Tralee residents will be in a marginal electoral…

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 10:31 am
19 Feb 14
#30

tommy said :

It’s probably in ACT’s interests to play nice – as all those new Tralee residents will be in a marginal electoral…

Alternatively, ACT and NSW could play nice because it’s better for all concerned.

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