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What’s that Skip? KABOOM!

By 21 May 2012 71

kangaroo corpses

Territory and Municipal Services are giving notice that they’re about to start culling kangaroos in the Canberra Nature Park:

The ACT Government wishes to advise that areas within the Canberra Nature Park will be closed from 6 pm Tuesday 22 May 2012 to 6 pm Tuesday 12 June 2012 to allow for the controlled culling of over-abundant Eastern Grey Kangaroos.

The sites to be closed are Callum Brae Nature Reserve, Crace Nature Reserve, Goorooyaroo Nature Reserve, Jerrabomberra West Nature Reserve, Kama Nature Reserve, Mt Painter Nature Reserve, Mulligans Flat Nature Reserve, The Pinnacle Nature Reserve and Wanniassa Hills Nature Reserve.

“The cull of up to 2015 Eastern Grey Kangaroos is needed to maintain populations at appropriate levels to protect the integrity of ecosystems, several of which contain endangered flora and fauna,” said Daniel Iglesias, Director of Parks and Conservation.

To sugar the pill they’ve also announced the results of a survey showing 79% if the population are cool with it.

And to top it off there’s an FAQ.

[Photo from the 2008 cull]

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71 Responses to What’s that Skip? KABOOM!
#1
Erg010:24 am, 21 May 12

If they’d made it 2,013 kangaroos then they could have done some cross-promotion with the centenary.

#2
Baldy10:43 am, 21 May 12

So are we going to have to spend months listening to brainless animal haters climbing fences hoping to get shot instead of the Knagaroos and protesting that they kangaroos should starve to death instead?

#3
Primal10:52 am, 21 May 12

What a tragic waste of deliciousness.

#4
Baldy11:06 am, 21 May 12

Primal said :

What a tragic waste of deliciousness.

Haven’t you heard? Since the Russian and Chinese stopped ordering Kangaroo meat there isn’t much of a market. Apparently Austraian’s don’t like Kangaroo meat. I don’t know why. As you said it is yummy.

#5
HenryBG11:08 am, 21 May 12

They seem to be burying those bodies far too deeply to be of any benefit to the land.

2000 kangaroos would be almost 100 tonnes of fertiliser for the ACT’s thin topsoils. Such a shame to waste a potentially valuable resource like that.

#6
Overheard11:08 am, 21 May 12

Baldy said :

Primal said :

What a tragic waste of deliciousness.

Haven’t you heard? Since the Russian and Chinese stopped ordering Kangaroo meat there isn’t much of a market. Apparently Austraian’s don’t like Kangaroo meat. I don’t know why. As you said it is yummy.

Damn! Just given up all the meat that doesn’t swim, and yes, I’ll miss the Skippy Steaks. I don’t know if I thought this one through…..

#7
EvanJames11:29 am, 21 May 12

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

#8
devils_advocate11:37 am, 21 May 12

Primal said :

What a tragic waste of deliciousness.

Slightly OT – can anyone reccomend a place that sells kangaroo sausages that have some flavour to them but AREN’T packed with massive amounts of sodium?

Kangaroo sausages are a great low-fat alternative for people keen for a snag but the usual suspects are packing them with salt.

#9
Baldy11:41 am, 21 May 12

EvanJames said :

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

No too many Kanagroo’s means they will compete with each other. There just ins’t enough grazing land around to sustain the kangaroo population.

If you look beyond there cuddliness and actually into the way they live, you will see what the animals have to go through to get a decent feed.

Unfortunaly most people don’t see bebyond the “awww it’s a cute little animal”.

#10
stonedwookie11:44 am, 21 May 12

whens the last time you saw a kangeroo starve to death?
funny how were not allowed to hunt but when the government wants to go shoot stuff its fine

#11
Rusalka11:46 am, 21 May 12

Primal said :

What a tragic waste of deliciousness.

I agree, what a waste of perfectly good food.

I would have less problems with these culls if we used the meat instead of just burying them. Or maybe we should have kangaroo “farming” all year round by a company or two, completely regulated, and maybe it would lessen the need for these kind of culls. I for one would happily eat Canberran kangaroos!

#12
Mysteryman11:50 am, 21 May 12

EvanJames said :

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

I’m surprised there were 6 posts before an uniformed response like this one ^^

#13
EvanJames11:51 am, 21 May 12

Baldy said :

EvanJames said :

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

No too many Kanagroo’s means they will compete with each other. There just ins’t enough grazing land around to sustain the kangaroo population.

If you look beyond there cuddliness and actually into the way they live, you will see what the animals have to go through to get a decent feed.

Unfortunaly most people don’t see bebyond the “awww it’s a cute little animal”.

Unfortunately, you’re talking through your arse. Where I live there’s a large resident roo population plus the usual itinerant groups (usually groups of males). They’re not particularly cute, the males in particular are quite assertive and even aggressive.

But even in the worst of the drought, they weren’t starving to death. Some of the larger males became slightly less-well-muscled, but that was it.

There’s been a large buy-in by Canberra people into the “need” for the cull, which is based on some pretty dodgy science, and you can only conclude that it’s out of concern for cars rather than the animals.

#14
Baldy11:54 am, 21 May 12

stonedwookie said :

whens the last time you saw a kangeroo starve to death?
funny how were not allowed to hunt but when the government wants to go shoot stuff its fine

I figure it’s a matter of trusting Government shooters not go overboard and shhot anything that moves or, in teh case of road signs, don’t move.

Growing up in the conutry where shooting was a pasttime I’m quite happy for only professional shooters to do this instead of some cowboy getting his rocks off on the vibration of a gun.

#15
pink little birdie11:57 am, 21 May 12

devils_advocate said :

Primal said :

What a tragic waste of deliciousness.

Slightly OT – can anyone reccomend a place that sells kangaroo sausages that have some flavour to them but AREN’T packed with massive amounts of sodium?

Kangaroo sausages are a great low-fat alternative for people keen for a snag but the usual suspects are packing them with salt.

Primal said :

What a tragic waste of deliciousness.

go to a butcher that make their own sausages… try Kambah Meatways…

#16
Diggety12:02 pm, 21 May 12

Food and/or fertilizer please.

What a waste otherwise…

#17
Overheard12:16 pm, 21 May 12

Diggety said :

Food and/or fertilizer please.

What a waste otherwise…

Aboslutely. Captain Kangaroo Burgers, or Skippy Brand Blood and Bone.

But just burying them? Really?!

#18
p112:24 pm, 21 May 12

Baldy said :

Growing up in the conutry where shooting was a pasttime I’m quite happy for only professional shooters to do this instead of some cowboy getting his rocks off on the vibration of a gun.

In my experience with Professional ‘roo shooters, they tend to be the worst of the trigger happy banjo players. I am sure this is an unfair generalisation though.

Another vote here for the “if we are gonna whack the critters we should at least use the carcasses for something.

So much for No Waste by 2010.

#19
JazzyJess1:37 pm, 21 May 12

When I lived in Campbell I saw roos on a daily basis but since moving to Gungahlin I could count on one hand the number I’ve seen. Where are they?????

#20
p11:50 pm, 21 May 12

JazzyJess said :

When I lived in Campbell I saw roos on a daily basis but since moving to Gungahlin I could count on one hand the number I’ve seen. Where are they?????

In Campbell, obviously.

#21
quewastaken2:00 pm, 21 May 12

EvanJames said :

Baldy said :

EvanJames said :

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

No too many Kanagroo’s means they will compete with each other. There just ins’t enough grazing land around to sustain the kangaroo population.

If you look beyond there cuddliness and actually into the way they live, you will see what the animals have to go through to get a decent feed.

Unfortunaly most people don’t see bebyond the “awww it’s a cute little animal”.

Unfortunately, you’re talking through your arse. Where I live there’s a large resident roo population plus the usual itinerant groups (usually groups of males). They’re not particularly cute, the males in particular are quite assertive and even aggressive.

But even in the worst of the drought, they weren’t starving to death. Some of the larger males became slightly less-well-muscled, but that was it.

There’s been a large buy-in by Canberra people into the “need” for the cull, which is based on some pretty dodgy science, and you can only conclude that it’s out of concern for cars rather than the animals.

…because the ACT Government just LOVES cars

#22
Baldy2:07 pm, 21 May 12

EvanJames said :

Baldy said :

EvanJames said :

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

No too many Kanagroo’s means they will compete with each other. There just ins’t enough grazing land around to sustain the kangaroo population.

If you look beyond there cuddliness and actually into the way they live, you will see what the animals have to go through to get a decent feed.

Unfortunaly most people don’t see bebyond the “awww it’s a cute little animal”.

Unfortunately, you’re talking through your arse. Where I live there’s a large resident roo population plus the usual itinerant groups (usually groups of males). They’re not particularly cute, the males in particular are quite assertive and even aggressive.

But even in the worst of the drought, they weren’t starving to death. Some of the larger males became slightly less-well-muscled, but that was it.

There’s been a large buy-in by Canberra people into the “need” for the cull, which is based on some pretty dodgy science, and you can only conclude that it’s out of concern for cars rather than the animals.

So you say “I don’t believe they are starving because I personally haven’t seen it so all the experts must be wrong” and you say I’m talking out of my ass????

Here’s a hint not usually seen on this website – research. It might do you some good to get factual information instead of assuming.

#23
EvanJames2:50 pm, 21 May 12

Baldy said :

EvanJames said :

Baldy said :

EvanJames said :

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

No too many Kanagroo’s means they will compete with each other. There just ins’t enough grazing land around to sustain the kangaroo population.

If you look beyond there cuddliness and actually into the way they live, you will see what the animals have to go through to get a decent feed.

Unfortunaly most people don’t see bebyond the “awww it’s a cute little animal”.

Unfortunately, you’re talking through your arse. Where I live there’s a large resident roo population plus the usual itinerant groups (usually groups of males). They’re not particularly cute, the males in particular are quite assertive and even aggressive.

But even in the worst of the drought, they weren’t starving to death. Some of the larger males became slightly less-well-muscled, but that was it.

There’s been a large buy-in by Canberra people into the “need” for the cull, which is based on some pretty dodgy science, and you can only conclude that it’s out of concern for cars rather than the animals.

So you say “I don’t believe they are starving because I personally haven’t seen it so all the experts must be wrong” and you say I’m talking out of my ass????

Here’s a hint not usually seen on this website – research. It might do you some good to get factual information instead of assuming.

No, I’m saying that the science the cull is based on is dodgy, it is regarded as dodgy by a large proportion of the sector interested in animals, and others also. I’m saying that the cull is driven by concern about vehicle/animal collisons, rather than concern for the roos’ welfare and I’m saying that claims the roos will starve if not shot are bogus.

I actually already said all of that.

And the talking out of your arse was in response to your flights of fancy about how opponents of the cull can’t see past how cuddly roos are. I don’t think they’re cuddly. I already said that, too.

#24
Overheard2:59 pm, 21 May 12

p1 said :

JazzyJess said :

When I lived in Campbell I saw roos on a daily basis but since moving to Gungahlin I could count on one hand the number I’ve seen. Where are they?????

In Campbell, obviously.

I see what you did there.

#25
Baldy3:16 pm, 21 May 12

EvanJames said :

Baldy said :

EvanJames said :

Baldy said :

EvanJames said :

Pointless and cruel. It’s got nothing to do with roos starving to death, and everything to do with lazy Canberrans worried that roos will crash into their precious cars. It’s a disgrace.

No too many Kanagroo’s means they will compete with each other. There just ins’t enough grazing land around to sustain the kangaroo population.

If you look beyond there cuddliness and actually into the way they live, you will see what the animals have to go through to get a decent feed.

Unfortunaly most people don’t see bebyond the “awww it’s a cute little animal”.

Unfortunately, you’re talking through your arse. Where I live there’s a large resident roo population plus the usual itinerant groups (usually groups of males). They’re not particularly cute, the males in particular are quite assertive and even aggressive.

But even in the worst of the drought, they weren’t starving to death. Some of the larger males became slightly less-well-muscled, but that was it.

There’s been a large buy-in by Canberra people into the “need” for the cull, which is based on some pretty dodgy science, and you can only conclude that it’s out of concern for cars rather than the animals.

So you say “I don’t believe they are starving because I personally haven’t seen it so all the experts must be wrong” and you say I’m talking out of my ass????

Here’s a hint not usually seen on this website – research. It might do you some good to get factual information instead of assuming.

No, I’m saying that the science the cull is based on is dodgy, it is regarded as dodgy by a large proportion of the sector interested in animals, and others also. I’m saying that the cull is driven by concern about vehicle/animal collisons, rather than concern for the roos’ welfare and I’m saying that claims the roos will starve if not shot are bogus.

I actually already said all of that.

And the talking out of your arse was in response to your flights of fancy about how opponents of the cull can’t see past how cuddly roos are. I don’t think they’re cuddly. I already said that, too.

So you are saying that you represent all opponents of the culling. So far all I have seen regarding their claims against it is heartwarming stories about the cute fuzzy wuzzy creatures will get hurt and fallsed down.

hat part of the “large proportion of the sector interested in animals” are we talking about here because the RSPCA certainly agree with the culls. Animal welfare groups are hardly biased enough to consider the issue beyond their own agenda and this city, as much as I love it, has yet to prove to me that it’s “concerned citizens” groups can see further then their own needs.

#26
HenryBG3:17 pm, 21 May 12

EvanJames said :

Unfortunately, you’re talking through your arse. Where I live there’s a large resident roo population plus the usual itinerant groups (usually groups of males). They’re not particularly cute, the males in particular are quite assertive and even aggressive.

But even in the worst of the drought, they weren’t starving to death. Some of the larger males became slightly less-well-muscled, but that was it.

Would you mind providing a link to your observational data?

I’m interested in time series data points including
– dry-weight grazing per m2
– numbers of animals
– weight of animals
– joey numbers
– joey attrition rate
– adult attrition rate

It will be good to have this data, because that will ensure that nobody is, as you put it, “talking out of their arse”.

#27
Diggety3:27 pm, 21 May 12

EvanJames said :

No, I’m saying that the science the cull is based on is dodgy, it is regarded as dodgy by a large proportion of the sector interested in animals, and others also. I’m saying that the cull is driven by concern about vehicle/animal collisons, rather than concern for the roos’ welfare and I’m saying that claims the roos will starve if not shot are bogus.

EvanJames, alarm bells ring out in my head when someone claims scientific research to be dodgy- could you expand on that accusation?

I.e. Who makes these claims? Which science is dodgy and how?

I’ll admit I’ve not followed this debate closely at all. But it sounds like an emotionally charged one.

#28
Primal4:35 pm, 21 May 12

stonedwookie said :

whens the last time you saw a kangeroo starve to death?

Well unless they’re streaming these events live on the interwebs now, I’m not quite sure how one would get that chance…

#29
Baldy4:46 pm, 21 May 12

Diggety said :

EvanJames said :

No, I’m saying that the science the cull is based on is dodgy, it is regarded as dodgy by a large proportion of the sector interested in animals, and others also. I’m saying that the cull is driven by concern about vehicle/animal collisons, rather than concern for the roos’ welfare and I’m saying that claims the roos will starve if not shot are bogus.

EvanJames, alarm bells ring out in my head when someone claims scientific research to be dodgy- could you expand on that accusation?

I.e. Who makes these claims? Which science is dodgy and how?

I’ll admit I’ve not followed this debate closely at all. But it sounds like an emotionally charged one.

The “dodgy science” bit usually means “It doesn’t agree with my opinon so therefore there is something wrong with it.” It is usually used when someone talks about an issue they read about in the Daily Telegraph but don’t want to do any research themselves. Look at GM crops and Climate Change in particular.

#30
dvaey4:54 pm, 21 May 12

It seems strange that when it comes to moths and frogs and mosquitos, our govco will reroute roads, replan suburbs and appoint management groups to ensure their survival. But, when it comes to Kangaroos, they just overdevelop and claim a cull is required due to the animals having lost their homes.

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