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Withdrawal of support for Windows XP

By 9 April 2014 22

I just got a message from Microsoft confirming the withdrawal of updates and support for XP from April.  I imagine others have had the same advice.

Frankly, XP suits me fine for my limited computing needs.  However, in fairness to Microsoft, it is unrealistic to expect them to maintain support for a product that is now over a decade old.

Naturally they want me to ‘upgrade’ to 8.1.  From what I’ve seen of it I don’t like it.  I was thinking of getting Windows 7 and installing that.  I have it on my laptop and quite like it.

What are others doing?

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22 Responses to Withdrawal of support for Windows XP
#1
aevans8:42 pm, 09 Apr 14

Go wth 8.1 and use something like ClassicShell.net for the menu. One gets used to idiosyncracies. Can’t beat being current for security and compatibility with new things.

#2
screaming banshee9:44 pm, 09 Apr 14

Mac

#3
troll-sniffer11:22 pm, 09 Apr 14

screaming banshee said :

Mac

Macs are for people with simple brains for whom the concept of actually have a file structure and control of one’s machine is too scary to contemplate, or too hard to learn.

I use XP without a single patch, just the Service Pack 1A or 2 or whatever it was. I have a firewall and occasionally I fire up a virus checker. I never open attachments on emails I don’t know the pedigree of, and I don’t use file-sharing or torrent sites.

Once in a blue moon I use the process monitor and internet connection window to check for unauthorised activity and it always comes up clean. So, unless you’re visiting sites you shouldn’t, file-sharing or opening email attachments such as prize giveaway offers, you probably won’t need to upgrade anyway. :-)

#4
Henry8212:25 am, 10 Apr 14

What programs do you use? You might be able to get away with Ubuntu.

If you’re thinking of updating windows, might as well just get 8.1 and install ClassicShell to get the start menu back. (unless you can get a cheap win7)

#5
gooterz12:54 am, 10 Apr 14

Linux .. its free

#6
shirty_bear10:40 am, 10 Apr 14

troll-sniffer said :

So, unless you’re visiting sites you shouldn’t, file-sharing or opening email attachments such as prize giveaway offers, you probably won’t need to upgrade anyway. :-)

But I like those sites – it’s some of the best stuff on the interwebs. And we’d be lost without BitTorrent.

I say if you can lay your hands on Win7, then do it – from memory, it’s fairly easy to make XP-like.
Win8 has got “horrible Microsoft mistake” written all over it, just like Vista. The fact that 8.1 came out so fast re-inforces this.
Microsoft have a history of alternating between good (tolerable) and bad (utterly execrable) releases, so Win9 (or whatever idiot name it gets) ought to be usable again.

#7
HiddenDragon10:55 am, 10 Apr 14

I used XP for about five years, and found the transition to 7 easy – quite similar but (as you would hope) with some improvements – e.g. favourites are much easier to use in 7 than in XP.

#8
EvanJames12:15 pm, 10 Apr 14

Win 7 is the easiest transition from XP (I’m using XP too), and you can get an add-on called XP-Mode which makes it even more painless. They have said they’re supporting 7 until 2020 (at this stage) so it gets you over the stupid hump that is Win 8, where Microsoft forgot that not everyone walks around with their nose in a tablet, boring people on FB and Twitter.

7 is also a better bet if your computer is a bit old and not full of fastness and capacity (ie smaller processor, modest ram etc).

#9
arb1:46 pm, 10 Apr 14

troll-sniffer said :

screaming banshee said :

Mac

Macs are for people with simple brains for whom the concept of actually have a file structure and control of one’s machine is too scary to contemplate, or too hard to learn.

I use XP without a single patch, just the Service Pack 1A or 2 or whatever it was. I have a firewall and occasionally I fire up a virus checker. I never open attachments on emails I don’t know the pedigree of, and I don’t use file-sharing or torrent sites.

Once in a blue moon I use the process monitor and internet connection window to check for unauthorised activity and it always comes up clean. So, unless you’re visiting sites you shouldn’t, file-sharing or opening email attachments such as prize giveaway offers, you probably won’t need to upgrade anyway. :-)

Let me just fix your post for you:

Windows XP is for people with simple brains for whom the concept of actually have a modern OS is too scary to contemplate, or too hard to learn.

I stupidly use XP and even more stupidly without a single patch, just the Service Pack 1A or 2 or whatever it was. I have a firewall and occasionally I fire up a virus checker. I never open attachments on emails I don’t know the pedigree of, and I don’t use file-sharing or torrent sites. I am of the illusion that this is all that is involved in keeping a computer secure because I am completely naive.

Once in a blue moon I use the process monitor and internet connection window to check for unauthorised activity and it always comes up clean. This is obviously more than enough to ensure malicious crap isn’t running on my PC, right? So, unless you’re using the internet in any way whatsoever, you probably won’t need to upgrade anyway.

#10
Leon2:36 pm, 11 Apr 14

I switched to Ubuntu several years ago, and have found it more reliable than XP.

With Ubuntu I don’t have to remember product keys or continually spend money on operating system or software upgrades.

I still use XP for things like video editing, because I haven’t found a decent free Linux video editor. I’ll probably continue using XP for these purposes, but for security reasons I may disconnect XP from the internet.

I have another PC that runs Windows 7, and I regard 7 as an improvement on XP.

I recently bought a laptop running Windows 8. I find it hard to find programs using the standard interface, but apparently you can switch to a “classic” interface. The laptop came without any system disc or Windows product key. When the system stopped working I had to persuade the manufacturer to take the laptop back and re-image the disc.

If you buy a Windows 7 or Windows 8 PC without a product key or system restore disc, be sure to create a backup system disc image before you do anything else!

#11
gazket4:35 pm, 11 Apr 14

It doesn’t mean you have throw XP away. You can still use your old XP PC with a anti virus , you just won’t get any microsoft updates. Banks will do some crying as most teller machines run on XP.

#12
screaming banshee5:49 pm, 12 Apr 14

troll-sniffer said :

screaming banshee said :

Mac

Macs are for people with simple brains for whom the concept of actually have a file structure and control of one’s machine is too scary to contemplate, or too hard to learn.

I use XP without a single patch, just the Service Pack 1A or 2 or whatever it was. I have a firewall and occasionally I fire up a virus checker. I never open attachments on emails I don’t know the pedigree of, and I don’t use file-sharing or torrent sites.

Once in a blue moon I use the process monitor and internet connection window to check for unauthorised activity and it always comes up clean. So, unless you’re visiting sites you shouldn’t, file-sharing or opening email attachments such as prize giveaway offers, you probably won’t need to upgrade anyway. :-)

Not sure what you’re on about I have a rather in depth file structure and as much control as I could ever need over the machine.

I also run a XP virtual machine which has exactly as much exposure to the outside world as it needs, the USB-serial adaptor. The Mac OS is a delight to use, whenever I can’t work something out I google the issue and voila, plenty of answers. I don’t need to worry about which video/sound/network/motherboard I have….like they say, it just works.

My days of building pcs which spanned from amigas and 8088′s to p4s are over.

#13
wildturkeycanoe7:45 am, 13 Apr 14

What about home PC users such as elderly, disabled and those on budget incomes whose five or ten year old computers won’t have enough speed or memory to run Win7 or 8? Does that mean they will no longer be able to jump on the net or use their emails? If that is their only connection to the world [remote location etc.] how are they going to find the money to buy a new PC with Win7 software and then get everything transferred from the old one [knowing that hard drives have different connection plugs too]? They’ll need a PC expert to set it all up, let alone the purchase price of the entire system. The underprivileged are going to get left behind…..
At least with cars you can still drive them and get spare parts when they’re 60 years old. Computers are obsolete a week after you get them home.
Evanjames – you say support for Win7 until 2020. That gives another 6 years before everyone will have to upgrade again. It’s as bad as whitegoods that only last the warranty period and then you have to buy a new one. It’s a system designed to keep it’s own creators wealthy at our peril, a system almost necessary for living [email, bill paying, news, job seeking, gambling, school studies, tertiary studies, billing, work etc.]. We as a community are almost dependent on the internet and must cough up every 5 or ten years in order to keep using something practically forced upon us. I think some assistance packages should be considered by the government to keep the less fortunate connected. Oh, but the NBN got scrapped, so newer versions of Windows will suffer trying to sent data at 100kb/s, if at all…….

#14
davo10112:24 pm, 17 Apr 14

wildturkeycanoe said :

We as a community are almost dependent on the internet and must cough up every 5 or ten years in order to keep using something practically forced upon us. I think some assistance packages should be considered by the government to keep the less fortunate connected.

One word: Linux. Get a copy of any of the lightweight distributions, whack it onto your machine, never pay for an operating system again.

#15
Canberroid1:08 pm, 17 Apr 14

Linux is free if you don’t value your time.

Windows 7 is probably your best bet.

#16
davo1012:09 pm, 17 Apr 14

Canberroid said :

Windows 7 is probably your best bet.

Doesn’t solve the stated problem ie: having to pay for upgrades.

#17
Grrrr2:44 pm, 17 Apr 14

Canberroid said :

Linux is free if you don’t value your time.

The implication that it takes more time to maintain than Windows isn’t really true anymore.

bronal – Most people who really want to stick with Windows are faced with the same dilemma as you – choose between 7 and 8.1. Windows 8 can be made to behave a lot like 7 without too much effort (as per post #1.)

The thing is, if the hardware it’s going on is old (which it will likely be if it came with XP instead of Vista or 7) then paying ~$150 for an upgrade is a bit steep compared to getting a copy of Windows virtually free on new hardware.

If you want to stick with Windows, you don’t have to upgrade right away. You will at least get 1 year of monthly updates of Malicious Software Removal Tool from Microsoft, and anti-virus helps too. However, any exploits found from now on will not get patched and the above only offer limited defences.

My suggestion would be to buy some new hardware soonish – perhaps after Intel’s next laptop CPUs refresh, in the coming months. Once everything is migrated, put Ubuntu on the old one. Or wipe it and sell it. Or whatever.

Also, ignore troll-sniffer. He obviously knows nothing about Mac OSX. It’s a decent OS, running on decent hardware. Macbook Airs are no more expensive than Ultrabooks of equivalent spec from other vendors.

He’s also not too Windows savvy: Anti-virus, firewalls and doing your best to avoid dodgy websites doesn’t mean your browser can’t get exploited by a drive-by download from, say, a hijacked ad on an otherwise reputable website. Anyone with an XP machine that hasn’t been patched since SP2 has plenty of holes, and there’s rootkits out there that AV won’t detect.

#18
davo10110:05 am, 22 Apr 14

Grrrr said :

Canberroid said :

Linux is free if you don’t value your time.

The implication that it takes more time to maintain than Windows isn’t really true any more.

+1
An hour to blow away Windows, install Ubuntu and set up automatic updates and you’re good till 2020 (at which point you do a release upgrade and see you again in 2025).

#19
Roundhead8910:32 am, 22 Apr 14

davo101 said :

Grrrr said :

Canberroid said :

Linux is free if you don’t value your time.

The implication that it takes more time to maintain than Windows isn’t really true any more.

+1
An hour to blow away Windows, install Ubuntu and set up automatic updates and you’re good till 2020 (at which point you do a release upgrade and see you again in 2025).

…and a few minutes to realise that none of your Windows programs work anymore, the open-source alternatives suck and your printer and webcam malfunction badly.

#20
davo1014:46 pm, 22 Apr 14

Roundhead89 said :

…and a few minutes to realise that none of your Windows programs work any more, the open-source alternatives suck and your printer and web-cam malfunction badly.

Guessing from your lack of knowledge about Wine that you’re not much of an Linux user; and from the comment about printers and web-cams, haven’t yet enjoyed the experience of trying to find Windows 8 drivers for family member’s old bits of kit (it’s great having to explain that they have to throw out their printer because HP has decided to stop supporting it)

#21
wildturkeycanoe7:23 am, 23 Apr 14

davo101 said :

Roundhead89 said :

…and a few minutes to realise that none of your Windows programs work any more, the open-source alternatives suck and your printer and web-cam malfunction badly.

Guessing from your lack of knowledge about Wine that you’re not much of an Linux user; and from the comment about printers and web-cams, haven’t yet enjoyed the experience of trying to find Windows 8 drivers for family member’s old bits of kit (it’s great having to explain that they have to throw out their printer because HP has decided to stop supporting it)

Agree, it’s fine to keep updating the software on your machine [and the machine itself that can't run the new software due to processing and memory requirements], but older hardware isn’t supported a lot of the time as drivers for new Windows programs aren’t available. Emulation modes are average, as they slow down considerably due to the processing power required. I have had to throw away so many discs with PC games that aren’t supported any more, replaced printer due to lack of support and I’d reckon it won’t be long before the new one is obsolete. The manufacturers have sucked us into a money pit, knowing that we MUST upgrade if they stop making updates for particular things. The antivirus programs are undoubtedly created by the virus programmers and continual software updates are required because the programmers keep creating problems in the system so that they keep their job. If you made a computer software package that never needed updating, you’d never make any more money once it’s installed around the world. Just like a car that doesn’t need servicing, requires no fuel and never wears out tyres, you’d screw over the entire motor industry.

#22
thatsnotme8:37 am, 23 Apr 14

wildturkeycanoe said :

The antivirus programs are undoubtedly created by the virus programmers and continual software updates are required because the programmers keep creating problems in the system so that they keep their job. If you made a computer software package that never needed updating, you’d never make any more money once it’s installed around the world. Just like a car that doesn’t need servicing, requires no fuel and never wears out tyres, you’d screw over the entire motor industry.

I know we all love a good conspiracy theory, but the idea that a company like Intel – who now own McAfee – are themselves the creators of the viruses they’re trying to protect against is a bit of a stretch… There are more than enough legitimate cyber criminals operating the world over that Intel, and other AV manufacturers, don’t need to worry about creating more work for themselves – and in the process risk destroying their reputation.

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