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You control $13 million to spend upgrading any part of Canberra’s transport network… how would you spend the money?

By Sgt.Bungers - 15 May 2012 65

The ACT Gov recently awarded a $13,000,000 contract to build an extra lane for both directions of Parkes Way from Glenloch Interchange to Edinburgh Ave. As usual, rioters are at odds regarding how Canberra’s transport infrastructure money should be spent.

If you were given the final say in how $13 million was spent on upgrading any aspect of Canberra’s transport infrastructure, what would you spend it on?

( Me? I’d commence building a direct and fully segregated cycle route between Belconnen and Civic. The route would be built with the intention of encouraging at least 20% of people commuting between the town centres to hop out of their cars and onto their bikes, thus freeing up motor vehicle traffic congestion. Initially the route would be between the two town centres, with connections into the hearts of Civic and Belconnen’s business and shopping districts. There would be connections to the uni’s, Calvary hospital and AIS. Once completed, the routes would be similar to this recent cycle route upgrade in the Netherlands. My 2c! )

What’s Your opinion?


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You control $13 million to spend upgrading any part of Canberra’s transport network… how would you spend the money?
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molongloid 1:44 pm
15 May 12
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davo101 said :

Me? I’d commence building a direct and fully segregated cycle route between Belconnen and Civic.

Err doesn’t this exist already? I’ve ridden on a cycle path from the Belconnen bus interchange to the corner of Barry Drive and Marcus Clarke on a number of occasions and I’m pretty sure I wasn’t just imagining it.

If it does I’d like to know the route.

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dvaey 1:49 pm
15 May 12
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predator_pb said :

Funny how the Dutch ride their bikes without helmets and don’t have the police chasing after them, lecturing them and handing out fines.

Are you trying to suggest that ACT Police chase after people on bikes and hand out fines for not wearing helmets? Infact, are you trying to suggest that ACT Police (or anyone for that matter) are actively targetting cyclists performing any dangerous/illegal activities at all? Seriously, what are they gonna do, cancel their bike licence and registration? If a cyclist has no ID, or is a child, will they still enforce it? Maybe they can suspend their right to ride on the road, good luck ever enforcing that.

p1 said :

With my $13m I would run a full scale experiment to determine if cost is a factor in determining the public’s use of public transport in the ACT.

Specifically – I would make ACTION Bus travel free until the $13m worth of fares run out.

ACTION generally brings in around 24mil in fares per year (plus 70mil from TAMS). That $13m would cover about 6 months worth of fares. However, with increased public transport usage, the cost for operating the service would be higher than the current ~95mil.

In my mind it would be worth th cash to see it it actually encouraged a significant number of people to take the bus. If bus usage remained the same then we have a definite answer that cost isn’t the issue. If uptake increases, then we know that it is (and traffic will be reduced ’cause everyone is one the bus).

I don’t know how long it takes for ACTION to collect $13m in fares normally, but I assume it is a while, hopefully during that time more then a few people would get to like the busses.

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Diggety 1:58 pm
15 May 12
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molongloid said :

davo101 said :

Me? I’d commence building a direct and fully segregated cycle route between Belconnen and Civic.

Err doesn’t this exist already? I’ve ridden on a cycle path from the Belconnen bus interchange to the corner of Barry Drive and Marcus Clarke on a number of occasions and I’m pretty sure I wasn’t just imagining it.

If it does I’d like to know the route.

Maybe pay google to map out and integrate all bike paths in their maps applications?

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DrKoresh 2:05 pm
15 May 12
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I’d just spend it on $13 million worth of new buses/bus drivers. Sure, the intertown services like the 300 are pretty good, but the shithouse services to suburbs really lets down the whole system. Some suburbs don’t have any bus services on the weekend or during off peak hours.

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DrKoresh 2:08 pm
15 May 12
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molongloid said :

If it does I’d like to know the route.

Uh… It runs parallel to Belconnen way/Barry drive. You really can’t miss it. 😐

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FioBla 2:10 pm
15 May 12
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Aren’t the routes to Belconnen pretty steep uphill? I’ve ridden up Caswell Drive, the route parallel to Bindubi Street, and the Bruce Ridge route. I think getting 20% of car drivers going that way is very optimistic.

The cycle routes are marked cyan in this map:
http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=15&lat=-35.26633&lon=149.09868&layers=B00

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c_c 2:31 pm
15 May 12
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$13m for a cycle lane that’s segregated – and cyclists wonder why they’re hated so.

I’d spend it on Woden interchange, make is a place that keeps the rif raf, graffiti and vomit out and more commuters in.

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carnardly 2:45 pm
15 May 12
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molongloid said :

davo101 said :

Me? I’d commence building a direct and fully segregated cycle route between Belconnen and Civic.

Err doesn’t this exist already? I’ve ridden on a cycle path from the Belconnen bus interchange to the corner of Barry Drive and Marcus Clarke on a number of occasions and I’m pretty sure I wasn’t just imagining it.

If it does I’d like to know the route.

Maybe one poster is referring to the on-road bike lane. The other talking about focussing on segregated facilities – which doesn’t mean an onroad lane. Or something.

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DrKoresh 2:46 pm
15 May 12
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c_c said :

$13m for a cycle lane that’s segregated – and cyclists wonder why they’re hated so.

I’d spend it on Woden interchange, make is a place that keeps the rif raf, graffiti and vomit out and more commuters in.

I’d like it if people could be more specific than ‘riff-raff’. I get the vibe you just mean teenagers and people wearing hoodies rather than actual trouble-makers, which leaves you sounding like an elitist toss-pot. If I were waiting for a bus in Woden and saw someone like you looking down your nose at me as though I were a piece of dog turd, I’d probably vomit on your shoes, punch you in the head and then draw penises all-over your unconscious body just so that you didn’t leave disappointed.

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Jim Jones 3:23 pm
15 May 12
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DrKoresh said :

c_c said :

$13m for a cycle lane that’s segregated – and cyclists wonder why they’re hated so.

I’d spend it on Woden interchange, make is a place that keeps the rif raf, graffiti and vomit out and more commuters in.

I’d like it if people could be more specific than ‘riff-raff’. I get the vibe you just mean teenagers and people wearing hoodies rather than actual trouble-makers, which leaves you sounding like an elitist toss-pot. If I were waiting for a bus in Woden and saw someone like you looking down your nose at me as though I were a piece of dog turd, I’d probably vomit on your shoes, punch you in the head and then draw penises all-over your unconscious body just so that you didn’t leave disappointed.

I’d do that to him regardless of whether he thought I was riff raff or not.

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c_c 3:26 pm
15 May 12
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DrKoresh said :

I’d like it if people could be more specific than ‘riff-raff’. I get the vibe you just mean teenagers and people wearing hoodies rather than actual trouble-makers, which leaves you sounding like an elitist toss-pot. If I were waiting for a bus in Woden and saw someone like you looking down your nose at me as though I were a piece of dog turd, I’d probably vomit on your shoes, punch you in the head and then draw penises all-over your unconscious body just so that you didn’t leave disappointed.

Well when I say rif raf, I’m deliberately being abstract so it doesn’t stereotype. People should just be able to interpolate what it means, which is those who have no genuine need to be at the interchange or those engaged in criminal or anti-social activity. The groups of teens for example who after college sit on the steps going up to the town court having a smoke, who aren’t going to catch a bus but find it a convenient place to sit and spit on the pavement.

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Sgt.Bungers 3:28 pm
15 May 12
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davo101 said :

Me? I’d commence building a direct and fully segregated cycle route between Belconnen and Civic.

Err doesn’t this exist already? I’ve ridden on a cycle path from the Belconnen bus interchange to the corner of Barry Drive and Marcus Clarke on a number of occasions and I’m pretty sure I wasn’t just imagining it.

Not on the scale that I’ve seen. There are sections of shared paths yes, but they’re not as direct as roads. My idea was to connect and upgrade existing shared paths, as well as build new shared paths in order to provide a route that would be just as direct as riding along Barry Dr / Belconnen Way, albiet with full segregation.

Though the intention of my post was not to discuss that idea, but rather have RA readers get their own ideas out in the open. What would you spend the money on?

Though my

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Grail 3:40 pm
15 May 12
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Ditto on the free busses for a month, with a small amount reserved for reworking signage on the busses stating that busses will be free for the month of X. Bus signage would be best, IMHO since only the people who are on the same route as the bus are going to end up making use of that bus.

We’d also need to borrow busses (and drivers) from interstate to accommodate the expected surge in demand. I’d put a conservative estimate of about double the current loading. Atlanta trialled a free busses system, but they didn’t put any extra busses on. Since the first couple of days showed that it wasn’t worth trying to catch the bus, people stopped trying, and the pro-car lobby proclaimed the free bus experiment a failure.

$13M really isn’t that much money when it comes to infrastructure.

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watto23 3:43 pm
15 May 12
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Is the issue lack of a cycle path or lack of a cycle path that goes the way you want it to go.

A quick look at
http://apps.actpla.act.gov.au/plandev/tp-intro/projects/walk_cycle/cyclemap/canberra_path_map3.swf
Shows plenty of routes from Belconnen to Civic.

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Sgt.Bungers 3:47 pm
15 May 12
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c_c said :

$13m for a cycle lane that’s segregated – and cyclists wonder why they’re hated so.

I’m not a cyclist, though I do intend to become one once I move closer to my job.

I’ve done a lot of research into alternative transport and can see the value in making cycling attractive enough that a large chunk of the population hops out of their cars by choice.

Imagine a city where 20% of commuting was done by bicycling. Not because driving has been made deliberately difficult and expensive… but because the perception of cycling had been changed to being safe, pleasant (away from fast moving motor traffic), quick, easy and cheap.

Those who were still bound to their car for whatever reason, would be able to enjoy the roads with almost 20% less traffic.

c_c said :

I’d spend it on Woden interchange, make is a place that keeps the rif raf, graffiti and vomit out and more commuters in.

It does need a bit of a face lift.

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