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Zed appalled the Greens don’t share his Parkwood outrage

By 14 March 2012 43

Liberal Leader Zed Seselja has been silent on whether he supports animal cruelty, but he is letting people know that the Greens have not shown what he believes is sufficient outrage for the Parkwood Egg sabotage:

Both Shane Rattenbury and Caroline Le Couteur have refused to condemn or even comment on the apparent destruction of property at a Canberra egg farm. ACT Opposition Leader Zed Seselja today called on Meredith Hunter to show leadership and denounce this attack.

“Shane Rattenbury and Caroline Le Couteur have been given every opportunity to condemn this activity but have chosen not to, even going so far as to refuse to comment at all and suggest they hadn’t seen the details,” Mr Seselja said today.

“Just last year, Shane Rattenbury refused to condemn the illegal destruction of $300,000 worth of CSIRO genetically modified crops by Greenpeace.

“We absolutely condemn this destructive activity which has thrown the livelihoods of the farms’ workers into doubt overnight.

UPDATE 14/03/12 11:40: This comment in from a Greens’ Spokesperson:

Firstly, notice no quotes in Zed’s release. Caroline has actually condemned the incident quite clearly when asked -noting her particular concern about property damage and acid endangering hens. Shane refused to comment because he had been hot air ballooning from 5am and hadn’t seen the newspaper – he didn’t know the first thing about it so he declined to comment, but when asked hypothetically if he would support someone pouring battery acid on a facility he said clearly: “Of course not”.

This is desperation from a soon to be ex-leader who is in serious trouble himself and looking for deflection.

The Greens remain proud of multiple attempts to legislate the phasing out cage egg production in the ACT, something that Mr Seselja has voted against.

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43 Responses to Zed appalled the Greens don’t share his Parkwood outrage
#1
Thumper11:10 am, 14 Mar 12

Zed may be a nob with the credibility of a used car saleman, but he does have an extremely good point.

In fact, where is Katy in her like criticism?

#2
Jim Jones11:26 am, 14 Mar 12

Zed Seselja has refused to condemn or even comment on the treatment of battery hens.

#3
JessP12:01 pm, 14 Mar 12

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

#4
Jim Jones12:22 pm, 14 Mar 12

JessP said :

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

Does this sensitive new age business routinely engage in animal cruelty as part of its standard operating procedure?

#5
Chop7112:33 pm, 14 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

JessP said :

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

Does this sensitive new age business routinely engage in animal cruelty as part of its standard operating procedure?

Oh come on Jim Jones … that does not condone criminal behaviour

#6
Mysteryman12:41 pm, 14 Mar 12

Chop71 said :

Jim Jones said :

JessP said :

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

Does this sensitive new age business routinely engage in animal cruelty as part of its standard operating procedure?

Oh come on Jim Jones … that does not condone criminal behaviour

Agreed.

#7
Thumper12:43 pm, 14 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

Zed Seselja has refused to condemn or even comment on the treatment of battery hens.

Of course, Katy and the Greens are actually in a position to stop battery hen farming.

Just a thought.

#8
EvanJames12:56 pm, 14 Mar 12

I don’t really need to hear a lot of po-faced politicians reading out cliche-riddled statements condemning things. Zed wants more of it? What a waste of time.

I want to hear what they really think. I like the Greens’ statement, it sounded like what someone really thought.

#9
chewy141:02 pm, 14 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

JessP said :

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

Does this sensitive new age business routinely engage in animal cruelty as part of its standard operating procedure?

I thought animal cruelty was illegal? Surely you should go to the authorities if you have evidence that they’re engaging in such practices.

#10
EvanJames1:25 pm, 14 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

JessP said :

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

Does this sensitive new age business routinely engage in animal cruelty as part of its standard operating procedure?

I thought animal cruelty was illegal? Surely you should go to the authorities if you have evidence that they’re engaging in such practices.

You think that intensive farming, of chickens, pigs, feedlot cattle, dairy cows, doesn’t involve significant cruelty? Farming is at present exempt from a lot of the cruelty provisions. If you had a pet chicken and kept it in a cage with no solid floor where it could not turn around, in a dark shed, and clipped its beak off, you’d liable for cruelty prosecution.

Call yourself an egg farm, and it’s legal.

#11
Jim Jones1:31 pm, 14 Mar 12

Mysteryman said :

Chop71 said :

Jim Jones said :

JessP said :

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

Does this sensitive new age business routinely engage in animal cruelty as part of its standard operating procedure?

Oh come on Jim Jones … that does not condone criminal behaviour

Agreed.

That’s not condoning – it’s contexualising.

And, let’s be frank here – if a ‘sensitive new age business’ had been vandalised, do you honestly think any political leaders would be approached for comment?

#12
chewy142:08 pm, 14 Mar 12

EvanJames said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

JessP said :

So if a sensitive new age business had been vandalised with thousands of dollars damage, would the Chief Minister and Greens also have remained silent?

Does this sensitive new age business routinely engage in animal cruelty as part of its standard operating procedure?

I thought animal cruelty was illegal? Surely you should go to the authorities if you have evidence that they’re engaging in such practices.

You think that intensive farming, of chickens, pigs, feedlot cattle, dairy cows, doesn’t involve significant cruelty? Farming is at present exempt from a lot of the cruelty provisions. If you had a pet chicken and kept it in a cage with no solid floor where it could not turn around, in a dark shed, and clipped its beak off, you’d liable for cruelty prosecution.

Call yourself an egg farm, and it’s legal.

OK so if it’s not illegal, then it’s not defined as animal cruelty then is it?

And I think I’d prefer to stick with the legal definition rather than what animal activists think if that’s OK with you.

Breaking the law in our society because you personally don’t like something is never excusable.

#13
shadow boxer2:13 pm, 14 Mar 12

Thumper said :

Jim Jones said :

Zed Seselja has refused to condemn or even comment on the treatment of battery hens.

Of course, Katy and the Greens are actually in a position to stop battery hen farming.

Just a thought.

And a good one it is………if there is anything wrong, and anyone is to blame it is the coalition government of the day.

I think they are too busy finding ways to make me subsidise other peoples green agenda.

#14
Jim Jones2:32 pm, 14 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

Breaking the law in our society because you personally don’t like something is never excusable.

We may not agree on the definition of what is an excusable example of breaking the law, but there are countless historical examples that give the lie to your statement.

#15
Jim Jones2:34 pm, 14 Mar 12

And yes, the local government should definitely ban cage eggs in the ACT (anyone know why this hasn’t happened yet?).

Interesting to note that this ‘insane terrorist’ action will probably hasten this occurring by raising it as a public issue in the media.

#16
JessP2:44 pm, 14 Mar 12

shadow boxer said :

Thumper said :

Jim Jones said :

Zed Seselja has refused to condemn or even comment on the treatment of battery hens.

Of course, Katy and the Greens are actually in a position to stop battery hen farming.

Just a thought.

And a good one it is………if there is anything wrong, and anyone is to blame it is the coalition government of the day.

I think they are too busy finding ways to make me subsidise other peoples green agenda.

+1!

If there had been an attack of this nature on any other business then there would have been outrage from the Guvmint and the Greens. Katy aint going voice any concern when she may offend the green sensibility.

If you dont like Pace Farms and you believe what they are doing is illegal then use the law to close them down and/or run a campaign to have the general public boycott them and put them out of business that way. If a vegan/vegetarian food business was targetted in this manner there would be a huge outcry. This is terrorism and I believe we should be above that.

And dont go all bleeding heart on me about the chooks.

#17
EvanJames2:48 pm, 14 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

OK so if it’s not illegal, then it’s not defined as animal cruelty then is it?

And I think I’d prefer to stick with the legal definition rather than what animal activists think if that’s OK with you.

Breaking the law in our society because you personally don’t like something is never excusable.

It scares me that people who reason in this way are allowed to breed, drive and vote.

#18
c_c3:21 pm, 14 Mar 12

Of course Mr Rattenbury hasn’t spoken out about this or the Greenpeace attack on the CSIRO.

Mr Rattenbury himself is a member of Greenpeace for starters. His wife is a member of and employee of Greenpeace.

Zed would know this as well as I do. So it a pointless exercise in cheap mud slinging.

Mr Rattenbury and his fellow Greens aren’t going to attack organisations they support.

I think a better question to ask is why Zed seems so devoid to community involvement.

Mr Rattenbury and his colleagues are involved in numerous social, spotting, heritage and environmental organisations locally. At least on the surface it looks like they have diverse involvement in the community.

Zed on the other hand has a single footy club membership to his name and some charitable support for his former Private School.
I may not agree with Mr Rattenbury and his colleagues choices in who they support and what they do, but I’ll take that anyway over someone who seems to stand for nothing and do nothing.

#19
Thumper3:24 pm, 14 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

And yes, the local government should definitely ban cage eggs in the ACT (anyone know why this hasn’t happened yet?).

Interesting to note that this ‘insane terrorist’ action will probably hasten this occurring by raising it as a public issue in the media.

This government has had ten years to act. They haven’t. In fact even now they haven’t said a peep.

That’s a telling indictment on how it feels about the issue.

#20
HenryBG4:05 pm, 14 Mar 12

chewy14 said :

Breaking the law in our society because you personally don’t like something is never excusable.

Yeah, that Oscar Schindler had no excuse for smuggling Jews to Sweden.

#21
Jim Jones4:12 pm, 14 Mar 12

Thumper said :

Jim Jones said :

And yes, the local government should definitely ban cage eggs in the ACT (anyone know why this hasn’t happened yet?).

Interesting to note that this ‘insane terrorist’ action will probably hasten this occurring by raising it as a public issue in the media.

This government has had ten years to act. They haven’t. In fact even now they haven’t said a peep.

That’s a telling indictment on how it feels about the issue.

Aren’t the greens gonna get a motion up now or something? Thought I heard something on the wireless this morning. Be interesting to see Labor’s response (no points for guessing which way the Libs will go).

#22
Erg04:24 pm, 14 Mar 12

c_c said :

Of course Mr Rattenbury hasn’t spoken out about this or the Greenpeace attack on the CSIRO.

Mr Rattenbury himself is a member of Greenpeace for starters. His wife is a member of and employee of Greenpeace.

…and you don’t see a problem with this?

Pointing out that a sitting MLA is a member of an organisation that condones criminal action seems like a little more than “a pointless exercise in cheap mud slinging”.

#23
chewy144:29 pm, 14 Mar 12

EvanJames said :

chewy14 said :

OK so if it’s not illegal, then it’s not defined as animal cruelty then is it?

And I think I’d prefer to stick with the legal definition rather than what animal activists think if that’s OK with you.

Breaking the law in our society because you personally don’t like something is never excusable.

It scares me that people who reason in this way are allowed to breed, drive and vote.

What?
Because I believe in the rule of law?
Or because I think that what YOU believe might not be the same as what the rest of our society does?

What scares me is that people like you are willing to rationalise criminal behaviour because you agree with the criminal’s morals. And that you see no problem with your dissonance.

#24
chewy144:32 pm, 14 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Breaking the law in our society because you personally don’t like something is never excusable.

We may not agree on the definition of what is an excusable example of breaking the law, but there are countless historical examples that give the lie to your statement.

Note I said our society. If we lived in a society where there weren’t other outlets for change then I might think differently.

#25
Jim Jones4:35 pm, 14 Mar 12

Erg0 said :

c_c said :

Of course Mr Rattenbury hasn’t spoken out about this or the Greenpeace attack on the CSIRO.

Mr Rattenbury himself is a member of Greenpeace for starters. His wife is a member of and employee of Greenpeace.

…and you don’t see a problem with this?

Pointing out that a sitting MLA is a member of an organisation that condones criminal action seems like a little more than “a pointless exercise in cheap mud slinging”.

Ooooh … excuse me while I clutch my pearls. Pass me the smelling salts before I suffer an attack of the vapours.

Come on dude – it’s Greenpeace, not Baader Meinhof.

#26
Stevian4:44 pm, 14 Mar 12

HenryBG said :

chewy14 said :

Breaking the law in our society because you personally don’t like something is never excusable.

Yeah, that Oscar Schindler had no excuse for smuggling Jews to Sweden.

Godwin?

Although it does make the point that absolute statements rarely hold up for very long

#27
c_c4:47 pm, 14 Mar 12

Erg0 said :

c_c said :

Of course Mr Rattenbury hasn’t spoken out about this or the Greenpeace attack on the CSIRO.

Mr Rattenbury himself is a member of Greenpeace for starters. His wife is a member of and employee of Greenpeace.

…and you don’t see a problem with this?

Pointing out that a sitting MLA is a member of an organisation that condones criminal action seems like a little more than “a pointless exercise in cheap mud slinging”.

Attacking an MLA who’s a member of that organisation is cheap mud slinging because it’s like accusing Bob Brown of being in the wrong for not speaking out against the protestors who blockaded Tassie Parliament over the Gunns Pulp Mill site. Brown blockaded the Franklin Dam and was arrested for it back in the day.

The point was it’s like asking a question you already know the answer to for the mere sake of saying the question out loud.

And as I said, I’d much prefer Rattenbury who believes in something, even if I don’t concur with that choice, to Zed who seems to believe in nothing.

#28
zippyzippy4:51 pm, 14 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

And yes, the local government should definitely ban cage eggs in the ACT (anyone know why this hasn’t happened yet?).
.

Quoting from the post: “The Greens remain proud of multiple attempts to legislate the phasing out cage egg production in the ACT, something that Mr Seselja has voted against”

My understanding is that the Greens have tried numerous times to ban cage eggs, but both Stanhope and Zed have refused to support.

#29
johnboy4:58 pm, 14 Mar 12

Oh Zed believes in things. He just doesn’t want the Canberra public to know about them.

#30
nobody4:59 pm, 14 Mar 12

Jim Jones said :

And yes, the local government should definitely ban cage eggs in the ACT (anyone know why this hasn’t happened yet?).

Interesting to note that this ‘insane terrorist’ action will probably hasten this occurring by raising it as a public issue in the media.

Neither Labor or Liberal would support the Greens when they tried to ban caged hens.
http://act.greens.org.au/content/greens’-egg-laws-help-canberra-go-free-range

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