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10 days later Coe shrieks about Adelaide Avenue bus lane

By johnboy 14 November 2011 39

Back on 4 November we noted moves afoot to change the Adelaide Avenue T2 lane back into a bus lane.

Today the Liberals’ Alistair Coe is deploying some interesting logic to decry the move:

The Canberra Liberals strongly disagree with ACT Labor’s removal of the T2 lane on Adelaide Avenue, and will take every step to reverse the change. ACT Shadow Transport Services Minister Alistair Coe said the change will increase travel times for motorists, and does nothing to improve public transport.

“I urge Simon Corbell to abandon this illogical change,” Mr Coe said today.

“Until today, the T2 lane was shared by car-pooling motorists and buses. “Now, only buses can use the lane, but bus timetables have not changed, meaning the bus times will not improve. Instead, car-pooling motorists will be forced to join the already congested traffic, with little incentive to travel together.

“There are no winners as a result of this change, and it’s another example of ACT Labor stifling Canberran’s use of the car without making improvements to the dire public transport system.

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DUB 9:40 am 16 Nov 11

KB1971 said :

DUB said :

Funny thing is that this morning I have seen 3 cars using T2 lane.Cops nowhere to be seen.

I think the police have more pressing matters arriving this arvo.

Perfect opportunity to roll few more businesses around Canberra then, eh? 😉
Or, fly at 150+km/h in a 60 zone, in a white Commodore.lol

KB1971 9:32 am 16 Nov 11

DUB said :

Funny thing is that this morning I have seen 3 cars using T2 lane.Cops nowhere to be seen.

I think the police have more pressing matters arriving this arvo.

Innovation 9:28 am 16 Nov 11

DUB said :

Funny thing is that this morning I have seen 3 cars using T2 lane.Cops nowhere to be seen.

And this morning I saw four buses heading northbound and no cars. Three of the buses had crossed the unbroken line and left the lane around Deakin and only one turned off at Capital Circle. The rest kept travelling on into the City. I wished I wasn’t driving so I could take a photo of the buses travelling side by side down Adelaide Avenue.

DUB 9:18 am 16 Nov 11

Funny thing is that this morning I have seen 3 cars using T2 lane.Cops nowhere to be seen.

KB1971 6:11 am 16 Nov 11

Now the greens are at it. I just heard on the 6am news that Amanda Bresnan wants a study into the why the lane should be changed.

It was never permanent!!?? Do these people have any idea?

ML-585 12:21 pm 15 Nov 11

AG Canberra said :

In my experience the speeding usually occurs during peak times where the driver is forced to make up time when the bus is full (because they have spent more time collecting passengers). This of course makes it all the more dangerous as there are many people standing and any accident would be that much worse.

But if there are only buses travelling in the bus lane, the chances of an accident are lessened. This bus lane has been in operation since the 70’s – exactly how many accidents have occurred so far?

From my observations, the biggest risk of accidents in the T2 lane were from cars weaving in and out of the lane with no warning. With buses (and most taxis and motorcycles), once they get in the lane they stay there and maintain a steady speed.

Innovation 11:58 am 15 Nov 11

#29 Very Busy – Thank you for some very rational reasoning for reverting to a bus lane. My only comments are that I’m not sure why a bus speedo would be any more accurate than a car speedo and, if a car driver is expected to drive at the speed indicated on their speedo why shouldn’t a bus driver? Also, while I doubt that many if any buses are held up sufficiently to ever cause a dirsuption to service (eg 70km/h vs 80km/h on YarraGlen/Adelaide Ave would only cost around 30 seconds), if this is the reason then why allow motorcycles (including slow ones), taxis and out of service buses to occupy the lane. Also, if bussie’s comments are indicative of the general bus driving community, then I suspect that buses may be partly at fault for some of the near misses that we are now hearing about after the event to justify the change back to a bus lane.

Personally, I don’t care that much about this issue. I just object to the way this has been done and the now irrational reasoning why buses, taxis (even without passengers) and motorcycles (including the oversized and underpowered) can coexist but not other vehicles. I suspect the answer is that “it is because that is the way it has always been done”……

dungfungus 11:56 am 15 Nov 11

Some people seem to think that the T2 was to be used by buses and “car poolers”? The sineage said buses, taxis and cars with 2 or more passengers. Nothing wrong with mum taking the kids to school using the T2 before either. I have seen empty buses using the T2 as well and the notion that the T2 is and “express lane” for vehicles that want to exceed 80 kph is just stupidity. Also, a motorcyclist can still use the lane and travel at 80 kph so what is the angry, ill-mannered bus driver going to do; run him down?
What this matter is all about is the bus drivers power through their union. I can’t wait until ACTION is privatised.

Tooks 11:55 am 15 Nov 11

Bussie said :

dungfungus said :

Lillypilly said :

I think the most amusing thing was Mr Corbell on this 666 this morning, blaming bad driving on Adelaide avenue on the T2 lane.

Oh and him putting his foot in it saying that buses speed in the bus lane (which they do)

Well, at least car drivers will no longer be exposed to harassment of bus drivers who think they own the T-2. A couple of months ago I was tailgated by a bus in the T-2 lane while I was doing 82kph (on cruise control). He was so close I couldn’t see his headlights. At the end of the T-2 he swerved into the adjacent lane, sped past me and gave me the finger then disappeared weaving through the traffic at high speed. Complaints to ACTION were a waste of time even though two witnesses in my car got the rego of the bus as well as the “finger”. The complaints lady at ACTION said it would be 2 weeks before they could review the matter as they were “snowed under” with similar complaints against drivers. After follow-up calls they advised the driver had been interviewed and denied any knowledge of the incident. ACTION then said I must have got the rego number wrong – end of matter.
From now on I will not extend any courtesy to ACTION drivers – they are untouchable, overpaid and ill-mannered.

We own the T2 now crybaby and we just got a payrise.

Maybe most of you should start actually behaving like professional drivers then.

Road_Monkey 11:39 am 15 Nov 11

I believe a T2 lane would better serve Canberra rather than have as an exclusive Bus race track. This week on more than one occasion I was drive inbound and was passed by a bus. By my GPS I was doing 80kph and the bus rather quickly cruised past. I wonder if buses are exempt from the speed limits? I believe the argument should be about efficient use of the road, not exclusive use of the road.

Very Busy 10:20 am 15 Nov 11

1. Were the majority of cars that used the T2 lane really car poolers, or were they just parents taking their kids to school, or were they single occupant cars using the lane illegally? I would suggest that reverting the lane back to buses only, will not make one iota of difference to the number of car poolers or the attractiveness of car pooling!!

2. Some users of the T2 lane were exercising their right to use the lane but were still travelling at the same speed as the flow of traffic in the other two lanes. This speed is often as low as 50kmh in peek hour. This DOES cause buses to run late (or later than they otherwise would have).

3. As dungfungus demonstrates at post #10, many motorists set their cruise control at the speed limit and blissfully or selfishly hog the lane, totally oblivious of their speedo error. They do this even when they could be in one of the other two lanes travelling at that same speed.

4. As has been pointed out in the media, accidents and near misses have been caused by cars that have pulled out of the slow moving centre lane, into the T2 lane.

5. When peek hour express buses run late there is a compounding effect. When the late running bus gets to the next stop, more passengers will have arrived at the stop to board the bus. This extra load takes more time. Then at the next stop even more people than normal have arrived to board the bus…and so on… This can actually cause the bus to run so late that the following bus doing the same route can actually catch up to it or even overtake it.

2.0 9:10 am 15 Nov 11

Oh and it’s great to see the Canberran attitude of “I don’g give a f&@k” come out as people have still been driving in the bus lane the past two days.

Innovation 6:56 am 15 Nov 11

screaming banshee said :

Bussie said :

I’m too sexy for my bus, too sexy for bus, other Canberran’s can get f*cked

Wah, look at how poor us bus drivers are treated
Wah, we’re getting screwed over by govco
Wah, we’ll get riot act on side
oooooooh, a payrise
F*ck you riot act and your first world problems

Anyway I always knew it and now its official….bussie is a dick.

LOL. I guess this means that bus drivers in modern buses in specialty lanes who have to slow down slightly for vehicles in front is not a first world problem…

screaming banshee 7:59 pm 14 Nov 11

Bussie said :

I’m too sexy for my bus, too sexy for bus, other Canberran’s can get f*cked

Wah, look at how poor us bus drivers are treated
Wah, we’re getting screwed over by govco
Wah, we’ll get riot act on side
oooooooh, a payrise
F*ck you riot act and your first world problems

Anyway I always knew it and now its official….bussie is a dick.

Bussie 5:21 pm 14 Nov 11

Innovation said :

Bussie said :

dungfungus said :

Lillypilly said :

I think the most amusing thing was Mr Corbell on this 666 this morning, blaming bad driving on Adelaide avenue on the T2 lane.

Oh and him putting his foot in it saying that buses speed in the bus lane (which they do)

Well, at least car drivers will no longer be exposed to harassment of bus drivers who think they own the T-2. A couple of months ago I was tailgated by a bus in the T-2 lane while I was doing 82kph (on cruise control). He was so close I couldn’t see his headlights. At the end of the T-2 he swerved into the adjacent lane, sped past me and gave me the finger then disappeared weaving through the traffic at high speed. Complaints to ACTION were a waste of time even though two witnesses in my car got the rego of the bus as well as the “finger”. The complaints lady at ACTION said it would be 2 weeks before they could review the matter as they were “snowed under” with similar complaints against drivers. After follow-up calls they advised the driver had been interviewed and denied any knowledge of the incident. ACTION then said I must have got the rego number wrong – end of matter.
From now on I will not extend any courtesy to ACTION drivers – they are untouchable, overpaid and ill-mannered.

We own the T2 now crybaby and we just got a payrise.

The way you drive it sounds like you thought that you always owned it ……. your words from post #33 at http://the-riotact.com/the-bus-lane-is-returning-on-adelaide-avenue/58231/comment-page-2#comments “I don’t currently drive on Adelaide Avenue but I did on my previous shift and the T2 traffic was a problem. At least once a fortnight there was some clown doing 70 in the T2 even though the other lanes were moving quickly too. No amount of driving 1m behind them, honking the horn and flashing the high beams ever seemed to get these idiots to speed up or change lanes.

It’s also interesting that you never commented on my subsequent post querying how ACTION copes with their buses being around 30 seconds late on these trips.

And unfortunately, I wasn’t quick enough to get a photo but, despite the T2 lane being closed to cars from today, all southbound traffic was banked up this afternoon and using the bus lane because of the Kent St bridgeworks today…..

Sorry I don’t think I saw your post, random whiners and their pathetic first world problems on Riot Act just aren’t that important to me.

Anyway I always drove like owned it but now it’s official. It’s not that being 30 seconds late is that big of a deal it’s the sheer frustration at idiots like your friend dungfungus being in the bus lane and not going at the speed the bus wants to go. Want to drive slow, that’s fine there’re two other lanes to do it in among people who aren’t on a schedule.

Innovation 4:54 pm 14 Nov 11

Bussie said :

dungfungus said :

Lillypilly said :

I think the most amusing thing was Mr Corbell on this 666 this morning, blaming bad driving on Adelaide avenue on the T2 lane.

Oh and him putting his foot in it saying that buses speed in the bus lane (which they do)

Well, at least car drivers will no longer be exposed to harassment of bus drivers who think they own the T-2. A couple of months ago I was tailgated by a bus in the T-2 lane while I was doing 82kph (on cruise control). He was so close I couldn’t see his headlights. At the end of the T-2 he swerved into the adjacent lane, sped past me and gave me the finger then disappeared weaving through the traffic at high speed. Complaints to ACTION were a waste of time even though two witnesses in my car got the rego of the bus as well as the “finger”. The complaints lady at ACTION said it would be 2 weeks before they could review the matter as they were “snowed under” with similar complaints against drivers. After follow-up calls they advised the driver had been interviewed and denied any knowledge of the incident. ACTION then said I must have got the rego number wrong – end of matter.
From now on I will not extend any courtesy to ACTION drivers – they are untouchable, overpaid and ill-mannered.

We own the T2 now crybaby and we just got a payrise.

The way you drive it sounds like you thought that you always owned it ……. your words from post #33 at http://the-riotact.com/the-bus-lane-is-returning-on-adelaide-avenue/58231/comment-page-2#comments “I don’t currently drive on Adelaide Avenue but I did on my previous shift and the T2 traffic was a problem. At least once a fortnight there was some clown doing 70 in the T2 even though the other lanes were moving quickly too. No amount of driving 1m behind them, honking the horn and flashing the high beams ever seemed to get these idiots to speed up or change lanes.

It’s also interesting that you never commented on my subsequent post querying how ACTION copes with their buses being around 30 seconds late on these trips.

And unfortunately, I wasn’t quick enough to get a photo but, despite the T2 lane being closed to cars from today, all southbound traffic was banked up this afternoon and using the bus lane because of the Kent St bridgeworks today…..

Classified 4:22 pm 14 Nov 11

Bussie said :

dungfungus said :

Lillypilly said :

I think the most amusing thing was Mr Corbell on this 666 this morning, blaming bad driving on Adelaide avenue on the T2 lane.

Oh and him putting his foot in it saying that buses speed in the bus lane (which they do)

Well, at least car drivers will no longer be exposed to harassment of bus drivers who think they own the T-2. A couple of months ago I was tailgated by a bus in the T-2 lane while I was doing 82kph (on cruise control). He was so close I couldn’t see his headlights. At the end of the T-2 he swerved into the adjacent lane, sped past me and gave me the finger then disappeared weaving through the traffic at high speed. Complaints to ACTION were a waste of time even though two witnesses in my car got the rego of the bus as well as the “finger”. The complaints lady at ACTION said it would be 2 weeks before they could review the matter as they were “snowed under” with similar complaints against drivers. After follow-up calls they advised the driver had been interviewed and denied any knowledge of the incident. ACTION then said I must have got the rego number wrong – end of matter.
From now on I will not extend any courtesy to ACTION drivers – they are untouchable, overpaid and ill-mannered.

We own the T2 now crybaby and we just got a payrise.

I guess we better rename it “The Awesome Lane”, then…

sarahsarah 4:08 pm 14 Nov 11

dungfungus said :

My speedometer is accurate and it has already been established by other contributors that buses regularly speed over 80 kph on the T2. By the way, it is not an offence to “hog the right hand lane” in the ACT but it is to tailgate. As I said, ACTION bus drivers are untouchable.

Driving in the right hand land can be an offense, but not on Adelaide Ave. Only on roads over 80kph and on roads otherwise signposted with a keep left unless overtaking sign.

There are exceptions I think, if the lanes are congested or similar.

Bussie 3:56 pm 14 Nov 11

dungfungus said :

Lillypilly said :

I think the most amusing thing was Mr Corbell on this 666 this morning, blaming bad driving on Adelaide avenue on the T2 lane.

Oh and him putting his foot in it saying that buses speed in the bus lane (which they do)

Well, at least car drivers will no longer be exposed to harassment of bus drivers who think they own the T-2. A couple of months ago I was tailgated by a bus in the T-2 lane while I was doing 82kph (on cruise control). He was so close I couldn’t see his headlights. At the end of the T-2 he swerved into the adjacent lane, sped past me and gave me the finger then disappeared weaving through the traffic at high speed. Complaints to ACTION were a waste of time even though two witnesses in my car got the rego of the bus as well as the “finger”. The complaints lady at ACTION said it would be 2 weeks before they could review the matter as they were “snowed under” with similar complaints against drivers. After follow-up calls they advised the driver had been interviewed and denied any knowledge of the incident. ACTION then said I must have got the rego number wrong – end of matter.
From now on I will not extend any courtesy to ACTION drivers – they are untouchable, overpaid and ill-mannered.

We own the T2 now crybaby and we just got a payrise.

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