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Would it kill police to say thank you every now and then?

Devil_n_Disquiz 22 May 2009 150

To start off with I should mention that I am a Canberra Cabbie. As such it is not uncommon (actually quite often) that we get messages on our MTData system that start off with “POLICE MESSAGE……” followed by some stolen car, person of interest, item of interest etc that they want us to look out for. And fair enough too,,with 300+ cabbies on the road at any given time it makes sense to have those extra eyes looking for things when the Police obviously can’t be everywhere.

However, now I am asking myself “It it really worth it”? Last night around 2325 I was involved in an incident where I gave assistance and copped attitude.

I was driving westbound on Isabella Dr with an intention to turn left into Ashley Dr. About 100m away from the roundabout I saw a car enter that same roundabout southbound on Ashley Dr (i.e. Wanniassa to Richardson direction). As I watched this car it was obvious that control had been lost and the car had ended up in the guard rail on the wrong side of the road and was facing oncoming traffic.

I pulled up alongside that car turned my hazards on and offered whatever assistance was needed to the visibly shocked young female driver. Another member of the public who had gone through the roundabout before her also stopped and returned to offer assistance.

A police vehicle happened by carrying a male and female officer and stopped with associated lights show, got out and the first three questions from the male were;

1) Who was driving ?

2) Are you hurt ?

3) Were you speeding ?

The last question I answered with “No, she wasn’t. She got unlucky and found herself in a slide that she could not arrest. But speed was not a factor”

(NOTE: The roads were wet at the time and I am sure that the accident was caused more by inexperience in wet conditions, that coupled with the fact that the direction she was travelling in and being in the outside lane, its not the most user friendly roundabout).

The police went about doing their thing and I just stood back waiting for what I assumed would be a request for my details being a witness to the accident and being there when the police showed up. But no request came. What I got instead was this dialogue

Female Cop ” Were you involved in the accident”

Me ” No ”

Female Cop ” Okay, well you can go now ”

Me “oh..okay”

Female Cop ” Oh..but before you go. Is your car registered”

Me (knowing it was) ” I hope so” then “Yeah, see. (pointing to rego label) thats a 6. Its only May ”

Female Cop “oh okay then”

So what my point in all of this ?

1) I believe the police were trying to find something to pin someone with as soon as they got out of their vehicle. The crash victim by asking if she was speeding and me with a friggin rego

2) No requests for my details came from either officer even though I was a witness. And in talking with a mate who is a member of the AFP, he seems to think that she will possibly face a neg drive charge !!!

neg?li?gence

1. the quality, fact, or result of being negligent; neglect: negligence in discharging one’s responsibilities.
2. an instance of being negligent: a downfall brought about by many negligences.
3. Law. the failure to exercise that degree of care that, in the circumstances, the law requires for the protection of other persons or those interests of other persons that may be injuriously affected by the want of such care.

C’mon…really ???

3) The attitude from the female police officer towards me. Rather than a “thanks for stopping and offering your assistance” I was told in a gruff manner that my presence was no longer required and oh by the way,,is your car registered. Her observational awareness is lacking it would seem.

4) Is helping the police going to make you feel better about them in general and give you warm fuzzies, or is it going to make you wonder why the blood hell you bothered in the first place when all you get in return is attitude. I think this female officers ‘bedside manner’ could be improved somewhat.

Anyway, before any one suggests I do. I have dried my eyes and Hardened TFU !!


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Spideydog Spideydog 6:42 pm 28 May 09

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A well thought through post.

stace8383 stace8383 4:44 pm 28 May 09

I would just like to make a couple of generalisations, which are in no way intended to apply to every individual in every situation.

Firstly, it takes a certain type of person to even want to become a police officer. That type of person is usually somebody with a social conscience who wants to do the right thing and help people out.

Secondly, after a while in the job, I can see that it’s easy to become bitter, or at least a little disappointed – spending the majority of your time dealing with less-than-desireable scenarios, drug- or alcohol-effected people, and people with pre-existing grudges against authority, these are not generally considered ideal ingredients for job satisfaction. Even if these things don’t turn them bitter, they could certainly give anybody a bit of a shell, if you like – a grim or gruff exterior, as a way of just coping with it all.

But the fact that they stay, they keep at it, doesn’t that say something? On the whole, they’re good people doing the best they can in often adverse situations.

It can’t be too surprising, given all of the above, that a police officer should occasionally display manners which can be interpreted as rude, or that “customer service” and saying “thanks” aren’t always at the forefront of their mind.

vg vg 7:18 pm 25 May 09

“Will you take it out on the next Constable you meet.”

Guarantee you they won’t. Would take bringing your net attitude into the real world.

Awaiting predictable response

Special G Special G 7:15 pm 25 May 09

I’ve been working since I was about 10 years old. Probably the lack of pot that I did ‘t smoke or that I have a good work ethic. Believe it or not I am quite polite to people and have good customer service skills.

Your example made you make an assumption about the rest of the organisation. You were walking home from the pub and were stopped and spoken with. How full of piss and bad manners were you? or do the comments people you perceive as Police on here add to your biases towards Police as a whole. Will you take it out on the next Constable you meet.

vg vg 3:50 pm 25 May 09

Deadmandrinking said :

Special G, I don’t know how you hold a job.

When you work for an organization, you represent that organization whilst perform your duties at work. Your conduct reflects on that organization and defines people’s experience with it. If you are not capable of maintaining a positive image for the organization, then you need to seek work elsewhere.

Also, if the cops had simply asked me what I was doing, I wouldn’t have had a problem. I’ve had that before (I usually walk home from the pub) and there hasn’t been an issue. These particular cops were trying to back me into a corner by insisting that I did something I didn’t, instead of simply establishing whether I could of done it. It was rude, it was unnecessary and it certainly contributed to giving me a negative opinion of the AFP and the conduct of their employees.

There’s no reason why they cannot perform their duties in a polite manner. No reason.

In Australia ‘organisation’ is spelt with an ‘s’.

And you wonder how OTHER people hold onto a job

peterh peterh 3:22 pm 25 May 09

Spideydog said :

It’s ok to have a bias against police …. They get training ROFLMAO. At the end of the day, I don’t really care if certain people have a bias against police or are anti-police. It is their prerogative and it’s comes with the job. I just enjoy having a “discussion” on here to see how the “anti-police” justify their stance. Some of it is freakin hilarious ….. HELP, HELP were in a police state …. lol

Deadmandrinking said :

I wasn’t offended by the suspicion, I was offended by the rude accusations.

What rude accusations ?????

DMD, you have heard about the youths being robbed in Tuggers recently ??? These are people just like you, on their way home from where ever they have come from, except some are being intercepted and being robbed of their possessions. (filthy scum robbers) Guess what DMD ….. The police patrol these areas and do stop youths/people late at night/morning and are suspicious. Police will ask, what are you doing? where have you been? where are you going ? Who are you? … etc, etc Police aren’t issued crystal balls to tell exactly who the innocent people are and who the potential robbers are. Robberies aren’t committed by people in black and white stripped clothing to depict exactly who and what they are, they look exactly like the innocent youths/persons police stop and speak to all the time.

of course, if we were in a police state, no crystal ball would be required. we would all be guilty of something.

I have to admit that every time I have dealings with the police, be it an RBT (most fun for me, as i don’t drink), witness to an accident or just when i phone in to report some mad guy sitting on the middle barrier on the parkway, idiot doing burnouts in our street, etc, etc, the police that I have spoken to have been courteous, and I have never been spoken to in a demeaning or rude manner by them.

when i had an accident, and went into woden police station to report it, The person behind the counter even went through the forms with me, so as to ensure that the information was accurate, and i understood exactly what i was doing. I appreciated the assistance, and told him so.

he got me to explain to him what the accident was, where it occured and showed me how to write it into the form. (I was rear ended at the red light camera at the turnoff lane – turning into boddington, the light was red, and i had stopped. the driver in the car behind me thought I was “going to take it”, and sped up, then hit me – funny thing was I have 3 brake lights which were all lit up…) but, considering that i had never filled one in before, and was a bit shaken up, I was very well looked after.

There probably are police out there who aren’t as courteous, but i haven’t met them yet.

Spideydog Spideydog 2:08 pm 25 May 09

Well, I won’t argue what occurred on your particular incident, as I weren’t there. it is obviously an issue between you and the officer/s that night.

Deadmandrinking said :

It was rude, it was unnecessary and it certainly contributed to giving me a negative opinion of the AFP and the conduct of their employees.

Yes, I can see that. For the same reason I don’t go back to particular shops, restaurants, etc because of the way I/we have been treated by their employee’s or indeed management.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 1:42 pm 25 May 09

Special G, I don’t know how you hold a job.

When you work for an organization, you represent that organization whilst perform your duties at work. Your conduct reflects on that organization and defines people’s experience with it. If you are not capable of maintaining a positive image for the organization, then you need to seek work elsewhere.

Also, if the cops had simply asked me what I was doing, I wouldn’t have had a problem. I’ve had that before (I usually walk home from the pub) and there hasn’t been an issue. These particular cops were trying to back me into a corner by insisting that I did something I didn’t, instead of simply establishing whether I could of done it. It was rude, it was unnecessary and it certainly contributed to giving me a negative opinion of the AFP and the conduct of their employees.

There’s no reason why they cannot perform their duties in a polite manner. No reason.

Spideydog Spideydog 1:21 pm 25 May 09

It’s ok to have a bias against police …. They get training ROFLMAO. At the end of the day, I don’t really care if certain people have a bias against police or are anti-police. It is their prerogative and it’s comes with the job. I just enjoy having a “discussion” on here to see how the “anti-police” justify their stance. Some of it is freakin hilarious ….. HELP, HELP were in a police state …. lol

Deadmandrinking said :

I wasn’t offended by the suspicion, I was offended by the rude accusations.

What rude accusations ?????

DMD, you have heard about the youths being robbed in Tuggers recently ??? These are people just like you, on their way home from where ever they have come from, except some are being intercepted and being robbed of their possessions. (filthy scum robbers) Guess what DMD ….. The police patrol these areas and do stop youths/people late at night/morning and are suspicious. Police will ask, what are you doing? where have you been? where are you going ? Who are you? … etc, etc Police aren’t issued crystal balls to tell exactly who the innocent people are and who the potential robbers are. Robberies aren’t committed by people in black and white stripped clothing to depict exactly who and what they are, they look exactly like the innocent youths/persons police stop and speak to all the time.

If you find it rude being stopped and asked some “rude” questions on your way home (or interrogation as you may call it) then so be it. But if this “interrogation” didn’t occur, there would be no crime prevention and more people, just like you being robbed, bashed etc, etc.

monomania monomania 1:16 pm 25 May 09

Deadmandrinking said :

vg said :

“I was actually unaware that black people and homosexuals had special training “

They do. That explains how they dance better than me

It could improve public relations if they included those courses with the Police.

Then they could tap dance around those members of the public who behave like idiots and impede an accident investigation.

Special G Special G 12:55 pm 25 May 09

DMD – Doesn’t matter how you justify it. An irrational bias towards a group – be it any group is basically the same thing.

I don’t like junkies – my set of biases based on my dealings with that particular group.

You mentioned Police hassle you on your way home from the pub. That is what the Police are paid to do (by you remember you pay their salaries). What you should be doing is thanking them for patrolling your neighbourhood and speaking to people.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 12:52 pm 25 May 09

vg said :

“I was actually unaware that black people and homosexuals had special training “

They do. That explains how they dance better than me

It could improve public relations if they included those courses with the Police.

vg vg 11:58 am 25 May 09

“I was actually unaware that black people and homosexuals had special training “

They do. That explains how they dance better than me

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 11:30 am 25 May 09

Special G: W-h-hat?

Piggist? That’s it, I’m starting the Bacon BBQ Bunch! BBB, we’ll be in your town a’lynchin’ with white hoods and ‘love the chef’ aprons!

I was actually unaware that black people and homosexuals had special training and were part of an organization that had a certain set of standards, of which compromise could see them held accountable by the public. I was unaware that black people and homosexuals had to wear special uniforms so people could identify them (blue hats?). I was unaware that black people and homosexuals had powers of arrest and could give out tickets.

I now realize that by criticizing an organization for the actions of it’s representatives, to who the responsibility of training their employees, and those employee’s behavior in the field falls, I am essentially a card-carrying National Socialist. I would like to change my ways by first stating that I love Telstra, Westpac and Microsoft.

Please, Special G, help me change my Piggist ways!

Whodunit Whodunit 11:13 am 25 May 09

I guess those cops had recently used a Canberra cab and were treated like a leper with swine flu from the driver thought personal hygiene was someone who wore their pants to high!!!

Special G Special G 10:29 am 25 May 09

Not quite astrojax. Ant doesn’t like Police and is tarring them with the same brush regardless of who they are. Which in turn suggests he would display a poor attitude whenever dealing with the Constabulary regardless of who they are.

I would suggest he is then met with polite and courteous although blunt without the extra mile in terms of public relations.

Some people don’t like police. Some people don’t like black people, homosexuals etc…

Police wouldn’t be in the profession if they didn’t want to do something to help the community. The money and work conditions are just not that good.

farq farq 9:38 am 25 May 09

nice pun vg.

swine flu – pigs.

I like humour.

astrojax astrojax 9:38 am 25 May 09

by the same token, special g, walk a mile in ant’s shoes and you will see the world in a different light. or mine. what’s the real point here?

i take it from ant’s various postings that should ant’s world ‘go to poo’ then police will be called and respected and would be treated according to how they behaved; as you would treat them, no doubt.

seems a piffling argument you’re brooking. seems like time to give up and grow up.

vg vg 9:21 am 25 May 09

“Walk a mile in a Policemans shoes and you will see the world in a whole new light”

I have a sneaking suspicion he would prefer socks and sandals

As for the rest of this piffle:

“Would it kill police to say thank you every now and then?”

Yes it would, it is a major cause of death and illness in Police world wide. Thankfully they didn’t thank you as this could have spread like swine flu

Special G Special G 7:29 am 25 May 09

ant said :

So, Special G, you’ve decided that several of us are now criminals, because we dare to question the actions of the police? You don’t need us to highlight your shortcomings at all; you do it so much better yourself. Is it hard to walk once you’ve shot all your feet off?

Never at any point did I even elude to you being a criminal ant. Your worse. You are one of those people who treat the Police with disdain because of your holier than thou attitude and delusions of self importance.

It is no wonder you have had bad experiences with Police if you approach a dealing with your underlying attitude. If you treat someone with contempt because of their profession expect to be treated with contempt personally. I expect they still do their job as that is what beig professional is I just expect you don’t get the smile and a hug that you are searching for.

You’re the type of person who treats Police like servants and prattles off lines such as “I am a law-abiding taxpayer”, “I work and pay tax”, which is just another way of saying “I pay your wages.” Here’s news for you Police pay tax as well. You probably give them helpful tips on how they should be doing their job as well. Following that you then complain about the inadequate service you received as they did not kiss your arse in just the way you like it.

Bear in mind next time your world as you know it goes to poo the Police will still turn up and still sort it out for you and still be underpaid and underappreciated.

Walk a mile in a Policemans shoes and you will see the world in a whole new light.

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