On crashes upon Southern Cross Drive

Tony 24 July 2009 33

Yet another serious crash on Southern Cross drive, next to Kippax. It seems not a month goes by when this does not happen in this location, and it not supprising really when you see the attitude of drivers on this road, which has a sign posted speed limit of 60.

At least 1 in 5 people on this road speed, swerving in and out of traffic and tailgate trying to pass traffic actually doing the limit.

When will people learn, or more importantly, when will government actually start to enforce the law and really punish needlessly dangerous drivers which endanger the lives of innocent people? $120 fines are clearly not a deterrent, and I dont want these people on the road endangering the lives of my family and friends.

My question is to the people of Canberra. Am I the only one that feels this way? Are the penalties as soft as I think they are? Is it apparent to anyone else that very little is done enforce road rule? And why do you rarely see police road patrols?

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missalli missalli 7:54 pm 30 Jul 09

Coming home from netball tonight, I was greeted by the flashing blue and reds attending yet another accident at the Florey dr intersection…Insurance companies must be loving the non/slow action from the government.

willo willo 4:00 pm 26 Jul 09

Thumper said :

Put a speed camera at the bottom of the hill. That will do the trick.

it would certainly help….whenever there is a camera van on the hill the traffic is far more settled and sensible….so a fixed camera may be a good idea….would probably do a roaring trade too…..

Deckard Deckard 10:41 am 26 Jul 09

gibbering said :

I’m thinking the person who was speeding is now going to be in a blind rage and once past you will both speed more and be less attentive increasing the risk to other road users even more. Best you can do is just get out of the way – maybe report to police or add to a record somewhere that can eventually be sent to a minister who has the power to change something.

No, I think a brake test would be more appropriate.

Do you seriously think that making a 60km/h road with a high accident rate an 80km/h road will make it safer?

Hells_Bells74 Hells_Bells74 8:44 am 26 Jul 09

They should’ve fixed that road proper when they ripped the pool out.

Hells_Bells74 Hells_Bells74 8:43 am 26 Jul 09

JC said :

ScrappyKat, it isn’t going to happen now, but on the orginal plans for Kippax, Florey Drive was mean to extend into the road that runs in front of the Kippax centre. I never understand why it was never built as the current arrangement of using Starke street doesn’t help with the congestion issue that often leads to these accidents.

Gosh that would have been sensible..

gibbering gibbering 8:16 am 26 Jul 09

Fix the road so that it can be 80. It appears to be arterial, so probably should be – especially with the new suburb going in.

ps. thinking about the psychology of people who try to enforce the speed limit themselves by sitting in the right lane at 60 next to another car doing 60 in the left…what do you think the outcome is going to be? I’m thinking the person who was speeding is now going to be in a blind rage and once past you will both speed more and be less attentive increasing the risk to other road users even more. Best you can do is just get out of the way – maybe report to police or add to a record somewhere that can eventually be sent to a minister who has the power to change something.

Thumper Thumper 8:08 pm 25 Jul 09

Put a speed camera at the bottom of the hill. That will do the trick.

JC JC 6:25 pm 25 Jul 09

ScrappyKat, it isn’t going to happen now, but on the orginal plans for Kippax, Florey Drive was mean to extend into the road that runs in front of the Kippax centre. I never understand why it was never built as the current arrangement of using Starke street doesn’t help with the congestion issue that often leads to these accidents.

ScrappyKat ScrappyKat 1:21 pm 25 Jul 09

There is definately enough space to extend the dual carriage way down past Starke Street. A big round about could then go in as well.

The intersections down there are definately very slippery.

Genie Genie 11:11 am 25 Jul 09

i guess you mean southern cross and kingsford smith? ginnenderra does not cross southern cross

Yes clearly thats what I meant… Lack of sleep will do that to you.

Ivan76 Ivan76 10:30 pm 24 Jul 09

At the very least the ACT government should put up an “accident zone” sign (like they did on the hill at Kingsford Smith dve) to at least advise that there is a problem, I have been seeing serious accidents there since 1993 usually “P” platers still getting used to driving get caught out creeping forward from Florey dve.

I almost had an accident there myself around 12 years ago when I first got my license & didnt know better.

Who would have thought after all these years that the same problem is still there..

willo willo 8:08 pm 24 Jul 09

Genie said :

I have to agree this whole street is a joke ! People zoom through the Southern Cross/Ginninderra Dr lights in both lanes in peak hour traffic not realising that quite often both lanes are stopped. From cars waiting to turn left into Starke St or piled up behind a bus letting passengers off and cars waiting to turn right into Latham. Further down at Florey Drive is even worse. Traffic lights at that intersection I fear would be worse… a roundabout in my opinion seems like a better option.

To whoever wrote this post I think your stats are a little off, 1 in 5 people speeding ?? Umm probably 4 in 5 people speed along here.. Including me. I wont deny that quite often I’m over the speed limit, but I’m usually traveling along the roads with light traffic which is also no excuse. I think the only answer to keep speed down to 60k’s an hour is to install those “slow zones” or speed humps. Those white bumpy lines could also prove helpful in slowing down traffic on the mini hill approaching the Florey Drive intersection heading towards Macgreggor.

Clearly the first few people who have commented on this thread dont live in the area, and are unaware how dangerous this street is.

i guess you mean southern cross and kingsford smith? ginnenderra does not cross southern cross

swamiOFswank swamiOFswank 8:04 pm 24 Jul 09

I reckon that the houses on the Latham side of SCD are set far enough back from the road, that the speed limit should be at least 70. If SCD were in Sydney or Melbourne, with the dual carriageway, two lanes each situation, it would probably be 80.

People DO drive like they’ve been possessed by Brocky’s evil twin down SCD towards Kippax, but if you look at ’em they’re always driving old Bombadores, or stolen Hyundai Excel’s and are often wearing baseball caps. Young bogans driving like dickheads won’t take notice of the speed limit no matter what it’s posted at, and I bet if they put lights in at the Florey Drive intersection, the temptation to run the red will be too great for most of them to resist – being that it’s at the bottom of a hill and all.

willo willo 8:02 pm 24 Jul 09

i live on southern cross drive and concur with most of the above actually i drove past last night’s prang and think i recognised the silver commodore that was involved. this certainly is a dangerous intersection and is not helped by the fact that southern cross merges into one lane shortly before florey drive……..a lot of merging cars leave their indicators on giving the impression that they are turning right into florey drive……some drivers turning right from florey think theses cars will slow to turn and take the risk of turning in front of them……i am not saying that this is the cause of all accidents here but over the last 5 years i have witnessed at least 4 that have occurred this way.

Genie Genie 6:03 pm 24 Jul 09

I have to agree this whole street is a joke ! People zoom through the Southern Cross/Ginninderra Dr lights in both lanes in peak hour traffic not realising that quite often both lanes are stopped. From cars waiting to turn left into Starke St or piled up behind a bus letting passengers off and cars waiting to turn right into Latham. Further down at Florey Drive is even worse. Traffic lights at that intersection I fear would be worse… a roundabout in my opinion seems like a better option.

To whoever wrote this post I think your stats are a little off, 1 in 5 people speeding ?? Umm probably 4 in 5 people speed along here.. Including me. I wont deny that quite often I’m over the speed limit, but I’m usually traveling along the roads with light traffic which is also no excuse. I think the only answer to keep speed down to 60k’s an hour is to install those “slow zones” or speed humps. Those white bumpy lines could also prove helpful in slowing down traffic on the mini hill approaching the Florey Drive intersection heading towards Macgreggor.

Clearly the first few people who have commented on this thread dont live in the area, and are unaware how dangerous this street is.

JC JC 5:13 pm 24 Jul 09

Sleaz274 said :

Of course there is also the opposite theory that suggests that all the speed limits and regulations and rules of the road in fact cause situations that result in accidents and only a tiny proportion of accidents are due to “speeding” above a somewhat arbitary and occasionally ridiculous limit. From your post I obviously read that the 60 limit is too slow and most cars simply move faster than it because they are obviously able to and thousands of drivers do so daily, just like adelaide avenue, just like limestone, just like ginniderra.

60km/h is appropriate along there. On the issue of speed limits though, the are clearly places where the speed limit is too low, to me when you have sections of roads like that people then don’t take other speed limits too seriously when they should.

On this road when you are coming from Belconnen you have a dual carriage way, but as it has houses on the Latham side the speed limit is 60km/h. If it were not for the houses no doubt it would be 80. Nearing Kippax you come down a hill and at the bottom the road ceases being a dual carriageway, so clearly the cars have to merge. What do Canberra drivers do when they merge, yep speed up to get in front. A short while after the merge you have the intersection with Florey Drive, which is where most of the accidents happen, followed 30m futher along by a side street into Macgregor followed another 50m on the other side by Starke Street into Holt.

The bulk of the accidents are cars turning right out of Florey Drive. The heavy flow of traffic coming along Southern Cross and the speed they do make it quite difficult to turn.

For mine the best solution would be to extend the dual carriage way (westbound) until Starke Street. The right lane would end with a turn into Florey and the left lane continue on. A slip lane could then be given to traffic turning left out of Florey Drive. Doing this would not be all that hard as the road where it needs to be two lanes is already quite wide, so the work would be minor adjustments between Florey Drive and Starke Street.

youami youami 2:31 pm 24 Jul 09

The problem is not the speed limit of the road but ACT driver’s complacency -v- ACT Government’s controlling over driving.

My theory is simple. The problem is that ACT roads are more controlled than in any other state. I am referring to red arrows at lights no matter what time of day or night, an innordinate number of stop signs and line markings enough to control how you stop, merge, turn, and even drive on the road. So ACT drivers have gotten use to being told when to turn, when to merge, when to stop, when to start, etc. So when a road by chance doesn’t have lights, is not divided with a big f&#$k-off median strip, has some changes to line markings, and contains driveways and intersections where a driver must make a decision themselves, ACT drivers don’t know how to handle it and treat the road like all the others and invariably get it wrong.

ACT roads are so controlling it can be frustrating. I wonder if there are stats on the number of ACT drivers who cause accidents interstate because they don’t know how to drive on real roads!

And no, I don’t speed and do burnouts etc, I used to drive in Sydney in peak-hour for hours on end so I and know how to drive and know how good the traffic down here is!

smeeagain smeeagain 1:20 pm 24 Jul 09

My Neighbour phoned Roads ACT when they did the works to the Starke St Intersection recently to complain about the work they had done and that the removal of the lane to merge when turning left onto Southern Cross Drive had made that intersection much more dangerous than it had previously been.

She was told at that time that Traffic lights were scheduled for the Florey Drive/Southern Cross Drive intersection.

When that happens of course, is anyones guess.

Mike Bessenger Mike Bessenger 12:48 pm 24 Jul 09

Not to forget driver that have a few or more drink in them. Four bars in Kippax where people stop off for after work drinks. Then risk driving home.
A couple of weeks ago I saw a women stumble out of magpies hop into her car, struggle to get out of the normal parking spot and hit the car next to her a couple of times, then drive off.

threeze threeze 12:41 pm 24 Jul 09

The condition of the road at that intersection is appalling, and it only gets worse in the wet. Add that to inattentive drivers and you get smashes like the one that occurred last night.

Traffic lights or a roundabout (or even just resurfacing the road properly) would probably mitigate some of the danger, as people are still going to drive like twats there.

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