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1500 homes coming to south Tralee

Barcham 25 July 2013 21

Fancy a cheap home with some noise pollution? Try Tralee!

Sorry I kid, I don’t know these places will be cheap.

Managing Director of the Village Building Company, Mr. Bob Winnel, today announced that Canberra Airport and The Village Building Company have signed an agreement, settling their differences concerning the development of Tralee. The Airport has also accepted that Village Building will take full ownership of South Tralee.

“South Tralee complies with the Australian Standard for housing in areas affected by aircraft noise. The agreement enables Village Building to construct 1500 homes and a range of community and commercial facilities at South Tralee. It also facilitates the rezoning of a similar area of land earmarked for residential development by the NSW Department of Planning, adjacent to and immediately south of South Tralee,” said Mr Winnel.

Canberra Airport accepts residential development occurring at South Tralee and on adjacent land outside of the current 20 ANEF noise contour, in accordance with the decision of 6 November 2012 of the NSW Minister for Planning. This decision reduced the extent of development proposed on Tralee and adjacent lands, by half.

“Homes will be insulated against aircraft noise and sales contracts will include warnings about aircraft noise and the future growth in air traffic.” Mr Winnel said.

The agreement protects the airport against claims for a curfew.

If they do insulate well and are cheap than that’s good news for everyone I suppose.

Anyone keen to live that close to the airport?


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dungfungus dungfungus 5:36 pm 27 Jul 13

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Principal of the Village Development Company Bob Winnel has been discussing the prospect of the rail link in recent years…

So Bob’s going to pay for it?

That was over 7 years ago of course but from a marketing perspective it may be advantageous to say now that Tralee is the only regional residential subdivision that has a rail connection to Canberra and Queanbeyan.

Definitely – the marketing advantage would be enormous. I have no problem with that as long as it’s paid for by the person who’s going to reap the rewards.

You are of course referring to the VBC as the sole reaper of rewards at South Tralee however the people of Gungahlin are getting a light rail and while they are the only ones that will reap the rewards the whole of Canberra is paying for it.
Seems to be a double standard here.

Deref Deref 3:34 pm 27 Jul 13

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Principal of the Village Development Company Bob Winnel has been discussing the prospect of the rail link in recent years…

So Bob’s going to pay for it?

That was over 7 years ago of course but from a marketing perspective it may be advantageous to say now that Tralee is the only regional residential subdivision that has a rail connection to Canberra and Queanbeyan.

Definitely – the marketing advantage would be enormous. I have no problem with that as long as it’s paid for by the person who’s going to reap the rewards.

JimCharles JimCharles 9:22 am 27 Jul 13

Is it really an issue? You get used to noise after a time, like trucks rumbling past. I’ve lived near an airport and the noise vanishes after a few weeks, you just learn to ignore it.
Builders put in insulation, they keep it as far away as reasonable?

JC JC 9:10 am 27 Jul 13

KB1971 said :

I know some people who live in Royalla which is directly under the flight path and the noise is not an issue there, mainly because the planes are not accelerating and ascending, rather they are descending.

On the directing them over Tuggeranong thing, I am not sure they will/can do it on a regular basis due to weather conditions and the fact that Tuggers isn’t directly in line with the runway.

The height they would be over Tuggeranong at would be so high that it will be pretty much a non issue. The ‘noise’ would be similar to road noise for a few seconds.

Also having lived in Rockdale about 2.5km from the end of the cross runway in Sydney, I often found that the noise from landing aircraft was more noticeable compared to those taking off. Two reasons, firstly on take off the aircraft power up and out quickly and in Sydney at least they used to fan out in different directions not long after take off. So we may have only had 1 in 4 aircraft fly directly over us.

The second is landing aircraft are making small adjustments to engine thrust all the time and the change in thrust is what I heard and annoyed me the most.

Lived there for two years and after a week or so the noise was a bit of a non issue, and of course the rent I paid reflected the noise compared to similar places at Kogarah which had less noise.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 8:46 pm 26 Jul 13

I’m in a VBC house in the new Macgregor and hear planes all the time, especially in the evenings. Do I get to complain too?

dungfungus dungfungus 4:00 pm 26 Jul 13

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Principal of the Village Development Company Bob Winnel has been discussing the prospect of the rail link in recent years…

So Bob’s going to pay for it?

That was over 7 years ago of course but from a marketing perspective it may be advantageous to say now that Tralee is the only regional residential subdivision that has a rail connection to Canberra and Queanbeyan.

watto23 watto23 3:03 pm 26 Jul 13

Well I heard a plane last night in Tuggers and no where near the flight path of the plane. In certain weather conditions noise travels further and that is the issue I have. The airport may have been beating it up a bit, but at the same time why build anywhere there is a 10% chance even of noise? If people are happy to live there, fine, but i bet its not even close to affordable. This was about developers and the airport and who was going to get richer, this time.

harvyk1 harvyk1 2:22 pm 26 Jul 13

KB1971 said :

TBH, I think this has been a media beat up conjured by the airport to get their way. Once the development is built I am sure we wont hear anything more about it.

The Sydney Curfew is certainly not a media beat up. There as been many a person who has spent the night in SYD not because of lack of plane / pilot availability but simply because the curfew has said “thou shal not fly tonight”.

What CBR airport is rightly worried about is that should a curfew be introduced here, we will end up in a similar situation to SYD, where should anything happens, blue moons are more likely than dispensations be issued to resolve problems.

Deref Deref 2:09 pm 26 Jul 13

dungfungus said :

Principal of the Village Development Company Bob Winnel has been discussing the prospect of the rail link in recent years…

So Bob’s going to pay for it?

dungfungus dungfungus 12:39 pm 26 Jul 13

dungfungus said :

At least Tralee has a rail line and it is is totally suitable for a light rail service.

From Thursday, 5 October, 2006

A rail service linking Jerrabomberra to Canberra, Queanbeyan, Bungendore and the new Defence joint operations HQ would become a “serious option” when and if the proposed southern Jerrabomberra land release became a reality.

Principal of the Village Development Company Bob Winnel has been discussing the prospect of the rail link in recent years but says it will become reality only when NSW Planning Minister Craig Knowles decides on a 25-year strategic plan for land supply in the region, in which his company is heavily interested.

The company’s development plans have had to be significantly revised after an inquiry for Mr Knowles suggested that the area should be zoned primarily for industry rather than homes.

Queanbeyan City Council is set to make its recommendation next month in the wake of the inquiry, and Mr Winnel hopes for a final decision from the NSW Government before March’s state election.

After that, he would negotiate with the Defence Housing Association to ensure a strong presence of Defence personnel in the new development to make the railway plan viable.

While not in a position to construct great lengths of track from scratch, Mr Winnel would seek to use the existing but no longer used rail line going south to Michelago, adding a spur into Jerrabomberra.

The old rail line runs right beside both the present Jerrabomberra conurbation and the planned extension to the south.

“If there is an extension to Jerrabomberra, then there is significant scope for privately funded rolling stock to use the existing rail network for connecting Jerrabomberra to Queanbeyan, the Defence headquarters and Bungendore in one direction and for connecting it to Kingston in the other direction,” he said.

The rail service would not be comprehensive, but rather a commuter operation tailored around shifts at the Defence HQ, but the service would have to be available within walking distance of peoples’ homes.

“This is not going to be services every half hour during the day …” Mr Winnel said.

“It’s not in itself going to be a profit-making exercise, but it can be a service we can offer if in fact we could, for example, have a long-term relationship with DHA that would make it viable to offer a public-transport option.”

In time, it could grow to allow wider train commuting from Bungendore and surrounds into Queanbeyan and Canberra, and between the two cities, but that was a long way down the track.

Mr Winnel said the link into the ACT would depend on an agreement with the ACT Government, as he would want to provide a mini-bus service within the territory to deliver his rail customers to work.

“That would raise regulatory issues in the ACT but, if they’re interested in public transport happening, then we’re interested in trying to find ways of making it happen more efficiently and that will attract the patronage,” he said.

Rural Press Ltd

switch switch 9:19 am 26 Jul 13

LSWCHP said :

No doubt the properties will sell, and then the occupants will start complaining about the aircraft noise they day after they move in.

And if they are in the “bellwether” seat of Eden-Monaro, their complaints will be listened to, too.

dungfungus dungfungus 9:11 am 26 Jul 13

At least Tralee has a rail line and it is is totally suitable for a light rail service.

KB1971 KB1971 7:14 am 26 Jul 13

Looking here: http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=-DzXIjOivk4%3d&tabid=609&language=en-US

It doesnt seem it is going to be worse off than Jerra. I would be less enchanted living next door to Hume…….

The full consideration by the NSW Government: http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/southtralee

KB1971 KB1971 7:04 am 26 Jul 13

From what I have read the last time this was in the news the houses will not be directly under the fight path and the actual development meets or exceeds the noise requirements in NSW. There was a whole heap of stuff on it in the news if you found the right article.

Having flown into Canberra airport from the south more times that I can remember, the flight path is almost directly over Jerrabomberra/west Qeanbeyan anyway and it seems that Tralee will be further away.

I know some people who live in Royalla which is directly under the flight path and the noise is not an issue there, mainly because the planes are not accelerating and ascending, rather they are descending.

On the directing them over Tuggeranong thing, I am not sure they will/can do it on a regular basis due to weather conditions and the fact that Tuggers isn’t directly in line with the runway.

TBH, I think this has been a media beat up conjured by the airport to get their way. Once the development is built I am sure we wont hear anything more about it.

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 2:47 am 26 Jul 13

Is it going to be “shattering” though? I agree in that case, but there’s a big difference between “shattering” and a bit of noise.

thebrownstreak69 thebrownstreak69 9:46 pm 25 Jul 13

Not a good idea at all.

poetix poetix 8:21 pm 25 Jul 13

angrymotorist1 said :

This article from 2006 suggests the possibility of redirecting flight paths over Tuggeranong as a future way to reduce noise impacts in Tralee; does anyone know if this is still a possibility?

So no more complaints, people. Tuggeranong will soon get *lots* of transport….

LSWCHP LSWCHP 7:48 pm 25 Jul 13

Only the very dim would deliberately choose to live under a flight path. I knew a couple many years ago who spent a fortune to buy a ratty dump under one of the approaches to Sydney airport, because it was relatively cheap compared to anything else in Sydney. The noise was shattering, and they regretted the purchase almost from the day they moved in.

No doubt the properties will sell, and then the occupants will start complaining about the aircraft noise they day after they move in.

angrymotorist1 angrymotorist1 6:50 pm 25 Jul 13

This article from 2006 suggests the possibility of redirecting flight paths over Tuggeranong as a future way to reduce noise impacts in Tralee; does anyone know if this is still a possibility?

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 5:59 pm 25 Jul 13

I’d be quite happy to put up with a bit of aircraft noise, for a good location and a nice home at a reasonable price. Thing is, I can’t see it being cheap, and I’d also make the assumption that like so many new developments it will be shoebox sized homes.

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