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paperboy 21 January 2006 53

Watch your speed. Canberra now has another 22 speed camera sites.

Effective from last Tuesday (what an odd starting date) new locations have been added to the 62 already in use, including most of William Hovell Drive and Southern Cross Drive, and sections or new parts of Canberra Avenue, Gundaroo Drive, Commonwealth Avenue, Federal Highway, Clift Crescent, Cotter Road, Majura Road, Sulwood Drive, Yamba Drive and a couple of others.

The full list of 84 sites is
here.

I recall when the speed camera vans were first introduced to ACT roads, the idea was to position them in notorious ‘accident’ blackspots.

More than a few of these latest sites could more correctly be described as notorious ‘speeding’ blackspots. But then, is that really a surprise?


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bonfire bonfire 10:19 am 25 Jan 06

i could never figure out why the poms had a liking for such tiny cars until i went there.

the stanley steamer would get wedged in between some of those stone fenced roads.

part of proper driver training is about respecting your abilities and your cars.

only a complete and utter imbecile expects thatthere will ever be a zero road toll.

idiots everywhere will continue to remove themselves from toe gene pool. be it by car, misadventure or using a belt around their neck while they pleasure themselves.

shauno shauno 9:24 pm 24 Jan 06

Driving in France for example. 130kmhr limits on the toll ways and open freeways going down to 110kmhr in the wet. There is no reason why this example cant be used on the dual lane freeways in Aussie.

While driving on these roads in France the general flow of traffic seems to be 130 to 160kmhr and in that range no hassles from the Cops.

The drivers stay out of the fast lane unless overtaking and Ive never had a problem. One time I was flat out in 5th in a silly little fiat punto doing 150kmhr and was over taken by a car load of cops laughing at me for fanging the shit out of a hire car.

Amother time I was driving a large Ford Galaxy van from Lyon to Paris flat out at up to 180kmhr but usually up around 150, 160. Late for a flight and most of the way in the slow lanes and over taken by numerous faster vehicles.

Its such a load off the mind to be able to travel quickly and safely with out having to worry about constantly watching out for speed cameras and cops. And way less mind numbing and boring then sitting at 110kmhr for hour after hour.

Funny thing once in Ireland I was living in Cork with an ex gf and she didnt have a car licence so didnt know much about the road rules. Anyway she convinced me that Ireland didnt have any speed limits on the open roads. So for 6 months I was racing around in hire cars thinking it was like NT and subsequently found out there are speed cameras everywhere haha. Anyway its not a wize thing to do in Ireland due to the fact a lot of the roads are lined with rock walls and you can not see around the corners.

Blossy Blossy 8:57 pm 24 Jan 06

For the record Samuel, I value your opinion. Its just as valid as anyones. And I personally agree with it.

LurkerGal LurkerGal 7:27 pm 24 Jan 06

Could one of our policie type contributors step in an perhaps describe what it is like to attend a fatal accident caused by speeding? No, probably not, because most of us couldn’t stomach it.

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 7:16 pm 24 Jan 06

Sounds ace bonfire. People need safer roads, safer cars, and better training on how to use the road.

And those sitting-down bastards can fuck right the hell off.

But you can’t remove people’s urge to drive like tossers. Are you suggesting that better trained people can drive as fast as they like and never crash? I see Formula 1 drivers crash with monotonous regularity.

Keep the speed limits down. I might drive as well as Michael Schumacher, but if a kid steps out in front of me on a suburban street, at least I have a fighting chance of stopping at 50. If I’m ripping it up, I guess I’ll have that kid on my concience, and another mum will be missing another child.

Speed limits are part of a greater part of making the roads safer. They’re not the answer, but getting rid of them is DEFINITELY not the answer.

And I say sucked in to anyone caught by a speed camera. SLOW DOWN. You’ll get there in the end.

bonfire bonfire 5:33 pm 24 Jan 06

frankly i think speed is just a stalking horse for revenue raising. motorists are the most overtaxed, zealously punished sector of society.

all dressed up with the moralistic ‘lives are in peril’ argument.

please.

i think recent stats indicate that the continued onus placed on drivers for improved safety needs revisiting. fines can continue to be raised, ever more draconian limits imposed (like in vic), but people will still die.

its basic physics, anyone in a metal container of over a ton will suffer trauma in an impact.

so what do we do ?

engineer roads to minimise chances of impact – divided carriageways, triple lanes, remove power poles from the roadside, better intersection design.

enhance vehicle engineering and insist on better safety features as standard.

train our young to respect the road. train them to drive a car, not pass a test. stick them in a car that is out of control under controlled conditins – dont let that first time under stress be when they have three of their mates in a car on the way home from a B&S.

then remove recumbent cyclists from the road and fuck speed limits right off.

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 1:35 pm 24 Jan 06

Bonfire – precisely; we live in Canberra. It takes 30mins to get anywhere (okay, that’s hyperbole, but not by much). We don’t need to change the speed limits. It won’t help – it will just make accidents more costly and deadly. Once again, for a lousy 30 seconds.

And before you give me any more guff about your boundless knowledge of speed and road trauma, bonfire; I know I’d rather hit the tarmac at 50 than 140.

Though your implicit advocacy of efficient mass public transport I heartily agree with.

“by having no speed limit, traffic will flow to accommodate the volume efficiently”

Cars aren’t water. The laws of fluid dynamics don’t apply here. You’re assuming that drivers will stay in the same lane, drive considerately, that no-one behind will be forced to slow down because of lane changing, and that all road users behave in a rational fashion. That’s a pretty big assumption. I applaud your optomistic view of humankind’s boundless capacity for cooperation. I fear I don’t share your optimism.

Sydney traffic is slow because it’s geographically large and congested as hell because of poorly planned and haphazardly constructed road infrastructure. And because there’s no reliable mass transit to the outlying suburbs.

Making the speed limit higher will lead to congesting currently uncongested roads through people driving at different speeds in light traffic and changing lanes all the time. Keeping everyone at roughly the same speed means less lane changing/cutting other drivers off etc; which is what slows down traffic. A recent German study (no, I can’t provide a reference, sorry. It was on Catalyst) showed that pretty well, I recall.

High speeds on the Autobahn (and the Australian highways) work because there’s plenty of room for faster drivers to get around the slower drivers without disrupting the flow of traffic. Do you think the same rules will apply at peak hour on Paramatta Road? Once again, that’s a bit assumption.

Once again – speed limits aren’t perfect, but they’re vastly preferable to self regulation. I don’t trust Timmy the boy racer in his WRX with speed limits, let alone without.

Indi Indi 1:15 pm 24 Jan 06

I’d be keen to see a blanket 50 in the suburbs to slow down traffic in the neighbourhood, 70 on major trunk roads on the perimeter and connecting of suburbs, say 90 down Adelaide Ave and 110 on the Parkes Way (the last two of course if conditions are optimal).

RandomGit RandomGit 1:12 pm 24 Jan 06

Lost revenue of course.

Thumper Thumper 1:06 pm 24 Jan 06

120 on, for instance, the highway going to Sydney. Everyone does that speed anyway so why not change it….

RandomGit RandomGit 12:59 pm 24 Jan 06

Big props for a 120.

Thumper Thumper 12:43 pm 24 Jan 06

I have no problems with speed limits except that we seem to have, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100 and 110kph zones.

Now that’s starting to look a little ridiculous when put like that.

I’d be going for much more standard limits, such as 40, 60, 80, 100, 120kph.

So much easier.

bonfire bonfire 12:37 pm 24 Jan 06

artificial speed limits impede natural traffic flow. while canberra has no efficient high capacity public transport it has to rely on roads. roads can only ever take a maximum number of cars no matter how many you funnel into them.

by having no speed limit, traffic will flow to accommodate the volume efficiently.

go to sydney and spend 2 hours getting to work by car and then post the ‘whats the rush’ line again.

Mr_Shab Mr_Shab 10:55 am 24 Jan 06

Why is everyone so desperate to change the speed limits? Are they so wrong that changes are needed every five years/every time someone has a prang? Not a bad suggestion Maelinar – but this is Canberra. Why add another layer of bureaucracy?

If the limits are too slow in an area, surely there are already mechanisms to have them changed.

I say again people…what’s the big freakin’ rush? As johnboy said at the start of the thread – why bother for 30 seconds difference.

Maelinar Maelinar 10:34 am 24 Jan 06

LG, remember I know some of your acquaintances from our shared history 😛

(the shame)

Anyway, I don’t hit girls, cause they can’t reasonably be obliged to stand up in a one on one fight with me. I tend to check if they can catch.

On topic, I have always thought they should introduce a floating speed limit, where local governments can impose their own restrictions, however in areas where there are no accidents, the speed limit is increased by 10kmph every 5 years till it gets to open road (no limit) speed levels.

That way the roads will self-monitor themselves.

If there is a road fatality, the limit is reduced in that area by 10kmph until it’s 5 years is up, then it can increase again.

Obviously areas such as around schools will have sensible roadspeed caps, however there’s differences in all schools, and it’s not always necessary to slow down to 40 around every school, but since there’s a blanket limit, you have to.

That way, bonfire can cycle up the road on his recumbent bicycle, secure in the knowledge that when somebody takes him out in their volvo because they failed to see the wavy little orange flag, the roadspeed will be reduced in that area for the next half decade in pennance.

Everybody happy, self-regulating roadspeeds in action…

RandomGit RandomGit 9:05 am 24 Jan 06

While we are talking speed limits and the like, anyone else notice that 5km bit of the Federal Highway going south that has been converted to 90kmh limit?

I was just about to ask that meself. Theres no reason for it. Sure it’s got more twists, but it’s still a solid peice of road with no houses on it or anything. Pissed me off.

Spot the wog Spot the wog 10:21 pm 23 Jan 06

Hook turns are the norm in the Melb CBD we have to contend with trams which can really do some damage but an uplift is the Cab drivers here are reliable and really nice (At least the ones that i get)

midnitecalla midnitecalla 9:48 pm 23 Jan 06

“robin Reliant” ? geez bonfire u couldnt find a Lightburn Zeta?

As for melburninans being good drivers its a matter of perspective really .

Its nothing to say that the worst drivers from an ACT point of view is VIC drivers. having been speared by a vic driver doing that infernal rght hook from a left lane out side of the manuka theatre it has spoilt the image forever for my self.

Spot the wog Spot the wog 8:40 pm 23 Jan 06

While this tread is on Speeding
Cameras and the like, Can somebody tell me why the behaviour patterns of Canberra drivers has lacked in professionalism and commonsense.

I had learned to drive in Melbourne where driving is constant stop/start and good lane changes, even driving through Sydney the skills of the locals was a high standard. But when i arrive in Canberra i am constantly assuming everyone is gonna do the unexpected and i will end up on the gravel, or worse. This is merely a criticism for those whom i believe deliberately cut me off, force me to slow for them to pass for being a Victorian. I quote from an earlier post many moons ago, “assume everyone is a worse driver as yuo and plan your survival accordingly”

LurkerGal LurkerGal 2:16 pm 23 Jan 06

Oops. sorry. Have never roped a steer either. I shall work on that as soon as possible.

Thumper: Only done a few on your list, sorry. But wish I had called Mael a big girl to his face when we met. I shall have to take a raincheck.

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