20 police break up a Civic blue

johnboy 14 March 2011 48

ACT Policing officers responding to reports of a disturbance in the early hours of Sunday morning (March 13) were required to draw their batons and use Oleoresin Capsicum spray to protect a security staff member being assaulted outside a Civic nightclub.

Police were called to the Northbourne Avenue location around 12.30am on Sunday morning after reports of a conflict outside the nightclub involving a member of the security staff and a male patron who had been ejected on suspicion of property damage. Police had remained in the immediate area after a dispute some 15 minutes earlier, and attended as the fighting broke out again and spilled onto the street.

One police officer moved to assist a security guard who was on the ground and being assaulted. As he intervened, the police officer was threatened with violence by members of the crowd. A second police officer went to his assistance, and was required to use OC spray to protect his fellow officer and the security guard. Batons were drawn by the two officers, but not used.

A call for assistance by police drew an attendance of around 20 officers, whose prompt arrival quickly dispersed the crowd. Police also issued a number of formal “move-on” notices.

A 25-year-old man from Nicholls was arrested and charged with common assault. He was later bailed from the ACT Watch House and will appear in court on a later date.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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dvaey dvaey 10:22 am 16 Mar 11

buzz819 said :

So for totally different offences, for totally different things, how can you say that the Police are substituting arrests for infringements?

Because arrest numbers are going down and infringement numbers are going up? Maybe substituting isnt the right word.. maybe re-focusing their efforts is a better way to put it.. the fact that we seem to have these big brawls, with police being assaulted and only ending up with one person receiving a minor charge, shows me that the system isnt working. Do you believe it is?

If the reasons Ive suggesetd arent right, do you have any better ideas why this can happen, after the introduction of new laws specifically for these issues? The police are apparently being givern stronger and stronger laws and resources, but the arrest numbers are going down? You can criticize my comments all you want, but the lower arrest numbers (and increase in infringement numbers) are coming straight from the AFP releases… if you know something the AFP media doesnt, Im sure we’d all love to hear it

Spideydog Spideydog 7:52 pm 15 Mar 11

buzz819 said :

So for totally different offences, for totally different things, how can you say that the Police are substituting arrests for infringements?

Is that Crickets I hear ?

buzz819 buzz819 3:27 pm 15 Mar 11

dvaey said :

Tooks said :

What about on-the-spot fines, or the ‘criminal infringements’ as the minister likes to tout them? You cannot deny that on-the-spot fines could be given as a substitute to arrest. This allows them to have lower arrest (crime) numbers, but still look like theyre trying to fix the problem as they can tout the number of infringements that have been issued and the money they have raised. Think about how crime figures would be different if on-the-spot traffic infringements were included in the figures.

Yes, I will dispute the claim.

People a generally getting arrested from the City for, Assaults, fighting in public, intoxicated and disorderly and fail to move on, hinder police, assault police, etc.

The infringements are for drinking in public, urinating in public, failing to leave a licensed premises, giving an intoxicated person alcohol, abusing staff after being cut off and serving liquor to an intoxicated person.

So for totally different offences, for totally different things, how can you say that the Police are substituting arrests for infringements?

matt31221 matt31221 3:03 pm 15 Mar 11

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Yeah i imagine the police have been told to not arrest people if possible. threatening a officer, i would imagine should be a pretty major offence and they shoud be locked up for doing so. or at the very least gotten a taste of the baton.

That’s the thing though – the crowd were smart enough to know that one nice lick in the head from those beautiful spring steel retractible batons and it’s lights out Lucy.

That is the one law I hate in Canberra. They have banned those retractable batons for civilian use. They are considered as deadly as a gun. They are perfect for self defence, maybe they can legalise them if you do a course to carry one and register it or something.

dvaey dvaey 3:01 pm 15 Mar 11

Tooks said :

It’s entirely possible that the Minister is pressuring Police to reduce arrests so the figures support his decisions, forcing police to opt for “move ons” and cautions more often.

You’re off the mark there. It is not entirely possible at all. Move on directions aren’t given as a substitute to arrest.

What about on-the-spot fines, or the ‘criminal infringements’ as the minister likes to tout them? You cannot deny that on-the-spot fines could be given as a substitute to arrest. This allows them to have lower arrest (crime) numbers, but still look like theyre trying to fix the problem as they can tout the number of infringements that have been issued and the money they have raised. Think about how crime figures would be different if on-the-spot traffic infringements were included in the figures.

You will no doubt dispute my claim, although there is no need. Issuing fines at least clears up the court system to deal with the important matters, but if a fight can break out in the centre of the city involving 20 police officers and at least one (probably many) bouncers, and only one person is charged and bailed on the spot, what kind of deterrent is that to others who might think its a good idea to go get drunk and pick a fight with a cop?

Yeah i imagine the police have been told to not arrest people if possible. threatening a officer, i would imagine should be a pretty major offence and they shoud be locked up for doing so. or at the very least gotten a taste of the baton.

Again, police are not told not to arrest people. The Commissioner himself can’t tell officers who to arrest and who not to arrest, let alone some desk riding minister.

Threatening an officer is not a pretty major offence, but something they deal with on a daily basis.

buzz819 buzz819 1:52 pm 15 Mar 11

EvanJames said :

Hang on, there’s 20 police in Canberra they could call on?

If your gonna go down the line of, “Last time I called because I could not get the letter out of my letter box, they couldn’t come because they were too busy!” Or some other tripe, to try and say that they never show up to the stupid insignificant thing you think is what they should be doing all day.

This is what they are really doing. Stopping dead beats who want to be heroes after they get a skin full of p!ss. Going to motor vehicle collisions, stopping your children from smashing up the schools, just to find they have to pretty much be static security guards at them to stop them from getting vandalised. Really, can’t you control your kids people?

Going from suburb to suburb because people can’t be bothered to walk next door and ask their neighbour’s to turn down their tv’s and finally going to pubs, clubs and taverns because the licensee’s and their staff don’t think they shouldn’t stop people from drinking when they have had to much because that extra $5-$10 is worth it when that same person vomits on the furniture, punches on with a bar tender then try’s to fight security. As well as the other inane things that people think the Police should be doing.

Is all that really the fault of the Police? Or do you think maybe society has gotten to a time where we as a whole should look at ourselves and maybe grow up?

Then the Police get criticized when they go out and do their jobs, they get criticized from being to heavy handed, for not being to soft, for giving out speeding tickets, for giving out infringement notices, for not giving out speeding tickets, for not giving out infringement notices, for taking people to court, for giving out cautions. So they get criticized when they do their jobs, they get criticized when they don’t.

EvanJames EvanJames 12:51 pm 15 Mar 11

Hang on, there’s 20 police in Canberra they could call on?

bulldog600 bulldog600 12:05 pm 15 Mar 11

Having worked in the security industry in canberra i have to agree that some, not all bouncers are asking for it. I would not work in civic as its not worth my time but where i did work it was simple.. treat people how you want to be treated and same applies for patrons. i would not like my staff at the door being rude, arrogant or heavy handed unless it was necessary. yes some staff are think and dont get it so they would get moved on but at some stages when i did have good staff the place would go without trouble for months and months. yes there was the odd one that needed to be walked out but nothing that the cops or anyone else had to be involved in.

buzz819 buzz819 10:04 am 15 Mar 11

jasere said :

Batons were drawn by the two officers, but not used.

formal “move-on” notices.

what a joke!!

The police need the force back (not the jedi type)

Yeah bring back the 80’s! Police corruption, beatings and the like!

The Police can not be tougher than they are, there are too many human rights wankers around stopping people from doing their jobs. If there is a violent commotion like this people should be thrown in the back of a paddy wagon and taken to the watch house, Tharwa Forrest or the NSW border to discourage it from happening again!

jasere jasere 9:19 am 15 Mar 11

Batons were drawn by the two officers, but not used.

formal “move-on” notices.

what a joke!!

The police need the force back (not the jedi type)

Tooks Tooks 7:07 am 15 Mar 11

It’s entirely possible that the Minister is pressuring Police to reduce arrests so the figures support his decisions, forcing police to opt for “move ons” and cautions more often.

You’re off the mark there. It is not entirely possible at all. Move on directions aren’t given as a substitute to arrest.

Yeah i imagine the police have been told to not arrest people if possible. threatening a officer, i would imagine should be a pretty major offence and they shoud be locked up for doing so. or at the very least gotten a taste of the baton.

Again, police are not told not to arrest people. The Commissioner himself can’t tell officers who to arrest and who not to arrest, let alone some desk riding minister.

Threatening an officer is not a pretty major offence, but something they deal with on a daily basis.

Spideydog Spideydog 9:50 pm 14 Mar 11

buzz819 said :

davjp said :

Hmm… so the decrease in arrests goes back up again???

So… One arrest and it goes back up again?

LOL – you beat me to it …… no pun intended 😉

LSWCHP LSWCHP 7:56 pm 14 Mar 11

So there’s a giant knucklefest in a public street, after a previous knucklefest 15 minutes earlier. Two cops in attendance are required to draw batons and start spraying people with OC after being threatened by members (note plural) of the crowd. They feel things look so crook that they need to call the cavalry, who thankfully arrive in time.

And after all this, where police officers have been *threatened* in the course of their duties by members of the public, some people are ordered to move on and one guy is arrested for assault and quickly released on bail.

How can it be that police officers can be threatened with violence by drunks in the street and pretty much nothing happens?

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 6:59 pm 14 Mar 11

When Dickheads Attack.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 6:26 pm 14 Mar 11

Yeah i imagine the police have been told to not arrest people if possible. threatening a officer, i would imagine should be a pretty major offence and they shoud be locked up for doing so. or at the very least gotten a taste of the baton.

creative_canberran creative_canberran 5:55 pm 14 Mar 11

davjp said :

Hmm… so the decrease in arrests goes back up again???

That whole thing about a decrease in arrests is a useless statistic by itself. Just because fewer people have been formerly arrested doesn’t mean less people have been problematic. It’s entirely possible that the Minister is pressuring Police to reduce arrests so the figures support his decisions, forcing police to opt for “move ons” and cautions more often.

Davo111 Davo111 5:37 pm 14 Mar 11

Just spoke to a friend who was there, surprise surprise it was outside ICBM.

Seriously that place is a dump, run by heavy handed bouncers.
Am i surprised? Not really.

Oh and funny that, its the exact same thing i said on the other thread. http://the-riotact.com/bombs-detonated-in-two-canberra-nightclubs/37871#comment-310068

buzz819 buzz819 5:23 pm 14 Mar 11

davjp said :

Hmm… so the decrease in arrests goes back up again???

So… One arrest and it goes back up again?

Diggety Diggety 5:16 pm 14 Mar 11

I wouldn’t be surprised if the bouncer instigated the physical violence.

Bouncers in Canberra are by far the worst I’ve seen in Australia and they all need a good arse kicking from time to time.

Threatening a cop on the other hand is just plain stupid.

davjp davjp 4:43 pm 14 Mar 11

Hmm… so the decrease in arrests goes back up again???

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