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30 years on, has self-government been worth it?

Genevieve Jacobs 5 March 2019 68

It’s 30 years since the first ACT Legislative Assembly election. Has it all been worthwhile? File photo.

If you think politics these days is a wild affair, you weren’t in Canberra 30 years ago to the day when the ALP and Liberal Party slugged it out in the polls with the Sun-Ripened Warm Tomato Party, the Surprise Party and the Party! Party! Party! (party), and even the Abolish Self Government Party (which went on to join the new Assembly it had never wanted in the first place). There were three different governments in a matter of years and references abounded to Italian parliaments.

So 30 years on, has it all been worth it? Is Canberra better off with self-government?

Ellnor Grassby, who was elected for the ALP in the first Assembly, says bluntly that there was no choice. “They didn’t want us up on the hill, we were costing them too much money and the Federal MPs were determined to get rid of us. They just said to us ‘that’s how much money you’ve got, don’t come back asking for more’. It was sink or swim.”

Grassby credits chief ministers Rosemary Follett and later Kate Carnell with believing that the ACT could develop a functional economy. “People used to say that we couldn’t afford courts and the like, it was all going to be too hard, and self-government was a waste of time. You had to battle against that by building the economy.”

She says the first Assembly could be a fiery place, necessitating almost constant negotiation with the likes of Bernard Collaery who was deputy chief minister at the time and Dennis Stevenson from Abolish Self government, famed for sleeping in his office (Grassby once called him “Mr Hitler” in the chamber and got it into Hansard).

Former chief minister Kate Carnell was elected to the second Legislative Assembly. File photo.

Kate Carnell agrees it was tough to shift the Territory’s own mindset when there was so little Federal support or resourcing, pre GST allocations. But she dismisses outright any notion that we should turn back the clock. “Look, 30 years ago Gus was still arguing about whether he could put chairs out on the footpath,” she says.

“Fundamentally the people making the laws didn’t live here and were totally unconnected with here. The Territories ministerial portfolio was given to people on their way out or very junior people. Canberra is the national capital and it needed a government that was focused on the city, not people who were Canberra bashing in their own electorates.”

Carnell says that in addition to having no money at the start, the ACT government struggled with re-assigned Federal government staff. “I’ll get into trouble for saying this, and we had some talented public servants, but the Department of Territories didn’t necessarily move their brightest and best to the ACT,” she says.

She thinks with hindsight that wholesale adoption of the Westminster model was probably a mistake and that we should have spent more time thinking about the most efficient way to straddle the gap between state and local government, questioning whether the current system is fit for purpose.

Former MLA Bill Stefaniak says he wouldn’t have missed the Assembly’s first term for quids. File photo.

Bill Stefaniak, who was also in the first Assembly says that minority government encouraged a collaborative approach and strong committee work in the early days. “To get good legislation on the books you had to get a majority and that made for good government,” he says.

“The current assembly misses that because of the rock-solid Labor-Green coalition. We benefitted from independents who kept everyone honest and put their own views in.” While he’s rueful about the high-minded decision not to implement the old Commonwealth pensions scheme, Stefaniak thinks initiatives, like expanding the Cotter Dam and combatting Federal public service cuts, did us all good.

Carnell too is in no doubt about how much better off Canberra is for self-government. “Look at the Kingston foreshore, for example,” Carnell says. “We are starting to use the lake whereas not that long ago there was nothing. Look at the interface between ANU and Civic, the work that’s being done at the University of Canberra for accommodation and new degrees. Canberra is now a vibrant modern city with a personality of its own. The good old days were not that good. This is a much better city now.”

And as for the wild Assembly days, now long gone? Let Bill Stefaniak have the last word as one of its longest-serving members. “Oh”, he says chuckling, “I wouldn’t have missed it for quids.”

30 years on, has self-government been worthwhile for the ACT?


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68 Responses to 30 years on, has self-government been worth it?
David Brown David Brown 6:46 pm 04 Mar 19

I remember when Canberra was beautiful. We had a great swimming hole at Casuarina Sands. There were trees in Northbourne Avenue. Signs were limited to essentials. Parking was free. ACT Police were respected. Grass was mowed. Hot mix was used to resurface roads and potholes were unheard of. High rise was three stories. 😥😥😥😥😥

    Terry Butters Terry Butters 7:52 pm 04 Mar 19

    David Brown fooked now!

    David Brown David Brown 7:53 pm 04 Mar 19

    Terry Butters Fraid so. 😟

    Steve Ulrich Steve Ulrich 8:00 pm 04 Mar 19

    David Brown I think that’s why we had it forced upon was all too expensive. Now we have a bunch of (predominantly ex public servants) with aspirations of federal politics, playing in the council space. If we had been allowed to pass our own legislation without the approval of a federal government, it would be considered less of a joke.

    Benjamin Pitt Benjamin Pitt 9:29 pm 04 Mar 19

    So you are saying - get off my lawn!

    Makes as much sense as complaining about high rises being above 3 stories, swimming holes and roads 😂

    Mark Valerius Mark Valerius 10:40 pm 04 Mar 19

    Seriously!? Climb up Mt Ainslie, have a look at our city and tell me it’s fooked. Take a drive along Parkes Way at night and view the other side of the lake lit up and tell me it’s fooked. Honestly, if people think this city is now an ugly city, maybe you should leave.

    David Brown David Brown 8:07 am 05 Mar 19

    Mark Valerius Yep. From there you can see termite mounds springing up everywhere. You can even see three in Gunghalin which are totally out of context. Prior to self government we had planning.

    Terry Butters Terry Butters 9:27 am 05 Mar 19

    Don’t spend much time up top of Mt Ainslie or looking at pretty lights, they are for the tourists, but do care about Health, Education, roads, parks and other facilities used by the residents!

    Nell Feneck Nell Feneck 7:40 pm 05 Mar 19

    Had to live here before self gov to understand

    Mark Valerius Mark Valerius 10:41 pm 05 Mar 19

    Terry, I do too, but I’m pretty sure the topic was exactly what I responded to. You just decided to take a little segway so you could grind your axe.

    Phil Hore Phil Hore 4:40 pm 06 Mar 19

    ...and had a population of 8 and most of those were sheep....amazing what happens when a city actually has to grow, to accommodate people

Martin Leonard Martin Leonard 7:18 pm 04 Mar 19

When circuses with animals were banned and circuses with clowns became complusory.

Caitlin Elizabeth Caitlin Elizabeth 7:39 pm 04 Mar 19

Amanda Verrier pretty sure you have voted for them

    Amanda Verrier Amanda Verrier 7:44 pm 04 Mar 19

    Caitlin Elizabeth I did indeed!🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

Tracy Hancock Tracy Hancock 7:39 pm 04 Mar 19

Of course it wasn’t worth it. We have absolutely no one worth voting for in Canberra. Perhaps the principal reason Canberra voted against self-government, but then got told they had to have it anyway. Reminds me of the Mark Twain quote...”If voting made any difference, they wouldn’t let us do it”

Anissa Jones Anissa Jones 7:43 pm 04 Mar 19

Do you mean when Canberra residents voted NO?

    Steve Dundee Steve Dundee 8:08 pm 04 Mar 19

    Anissa Jones really ?

    Anissa Jones Anissa Jones 8:47 pm 04 Mar 19

    Yes Steve. Twice. And it was still forced on the residents.

    Christine Warren Christine Warren 9:07 pm 04 Mar 19

    Anissa Jones - my protest at being ignored after we voted no was to Vote for the Sun-ripened warm tomato party.

    James Forge James Forge 9:48 pm 04 Mar 19

    Canberrans voted no so the Labor party made it a plebiscite and a very quiet one at that in a Federal election that if they were voted in then the ACT would get self government.

    They then had the nerve to tell us "we voted for it"

Ann Chaplin Ann Chaplin 7:45 pm 04 Mar 19

I remember the dying moments of Canberra’s specialness, so quiet, roads empty that big country town feel (I arrived in the ACT in October 1989) kate Carnell talks about building an economy! One way it was built was by taxing landlords outrageously 3 times their rates in a form of land tax. When it would have cost me $6000 in the ACT, the land tax in Victoria was $240.

    Christopher S Tuckwell Christopher S Tuckwell 8:04 pm 04 Mar 19

    The Land Tax increasing is offset by the decrease in stamp duty.

    But as a landlord, you can probably arrange things so the landtax is covered by the rent you charge.

    Ann Chaplin Ann Chaplin 9:47 pm 04 Mar 19

    Christopher S Tuckwell I sold up long ago and bought in other states.

Iain Saunders Iain Saunders 7:53 pm 04 Mar 19

Imposed by federal labor govt after the majority voted against it.The beginning of the downfall of a once beautiful place to live.

    Alex Mckenzie Alex Mckenzie 3:22 pm 05 Mar 19

    why is it no longer beautiful?

    Iain Saunders Iain Saunders 5:26 pm 05 Mar 19

    If you had seen it before you wouldn't need to ask the question. Everywhere was clean and tidy almost 0 unemployment cheap houses cheap rent cheap and efficient public transport. Cheap rego. every area had a busy shopping centre .people were much happier and socially outward.

    It was a mini utopia.

Charlie Karmenu Flask Charlie Karmenu Flask 8:01 pm 04 Mar 19

Canberra died 30 years ago!!!

    Jackie White Jackie White 8:21 pm 04 Mar 19

    That's a bit dramatic...

    Charlie Karmenu Flask Charlie Karmenu Flask 8:30 pm 04 Mar 19

    Jackie White have you had a good look around Canberra lately?

Marcia Denman Marcia Denman 8:04 pm 04 Mar 19

My 17 year old son was frustratingly not old enough to vote. He dragged my very large voting paper across the floor “ it’s okay Mum, I’ll help you” to great mirth from onlookers

Troy Booth Troy Booth 8:06 pm 04 Mar 19

Self-government? Dont you mean 'Criminals'?

Steve Dundee Steve Dundee 8:10 pm 04 Mar 19

I don't see how it could have happened if the majority voted against it ?! It has certainly not been good for Canberra

    Margaret Freemantle Margaret Freemantle 8:23 pm 04 Mar 19

    Steve Dundee Federal forced it on us- they didn’t want to spend money on their Capital- our vote didn’t count!!! It is only our city after all!!

    Phil Andrews Phil Andrews 9:35 pm 04 Mar 19

    Federal Labour Steve. Say no more

    Nari Strange Nari Strange 1:27 pm 05 Mar 19

    Total obsession with ripping down buildings and building tiny apartments - with NO shops nearby. qv: Wright and Coombs. I think it is an attractive area and worthy of something better - e.g, allow more homes to be built rather than apartments.

Sarah Powles Sarah Powles 8:15 pm 04 Mar 19

The stale argument of "the people making the laws didn't live here" has proven fallacious. We were much better off then. Largely because those elected care more about personal agenda than territory management and have used its residents as scapegoats.

Jackie White Jackie White 8:24 pm 04 Mar 19

The biggest difference I've noticed is the lack of foresight in planning new areas. Before 'self government', a new area was well thought out, with all the infrastructure in place before any homes were built. Roads, shops, schools, preschools, petrol stations (which were at each local suburban shop, rather than one Coles and one Woolies per entire district) were all taken care of. someone else pointed out, the grass was mown. It was tidy.

    Jackie White Jackie White 8:28 pm 04 Mar 19

    Oh, and MAIN roads, big enough to deal with increased traffic, were built... as opposed to the nightmare that is the Gungahlin area!

    Benjamin Pitt Benjamin Pitt 9:30 pm 04 Mar 19

    Lack of foresight has been a thing since they fired Griffin. They didn't want to use his full plan.

    Mark Dando Mark Dando 9:55 pm 04 Mar 19

    Jackie, that's easy when someone else (the rest of the country) pays.

Mark Dando Mark Dando 8:26 pm 04 Mar 19

Commentators here sound like a bunch of 50 somethings still bitter they were forced off the federal teat 30 years ago.

    Amanda Evans Amanda Evans 8:36 pm 04 Mar 19

    Mark Dando probably does sound like that but

    after WW2 and in the years leading up to self government, it was a beautiful carefree city and had a strong community made up mostly of people who had taken the plunge to move here from our other 'big' cities where life wasnt always a lot of fun. Perhaps this is why so many people get upset when they see these iconic places being replaced by everyday run of the mill buildings and suburbs. People were invested in the idea of a young capital with modern and unprecedented planning ideas, designs and lifestyle. I guess people felt like and in fact were the pioneers of a great experiment.

    Mark Dando Mark Dando 9:52 pm 04 Mar 19

    Amanda, yes but in many ways a failed experiment. BTW, can you give me some examples of the iconic places that have been replaced? Seriously, apart from the Capital cinema in Manuka the only buildings I can think of are some motor dealerships and workshops in Braddon - and of course all those beautiful asphalt car parks that used to surround the Monaro Mall. I'm not old enough to remember what it was like after WW2, but when I grew up here in the 60s and 70s Canberra was dull and lifeless, really just a dusty collection of suburbs in search of a city, lacking even the connectedness and civic amenity of a small country city. Along with most of my age group, I left. Like any group of exiles, people forced to live here made the most of it and formed some strong communities, but if you had any aspirations beyond that of the public service you had to move. If I remember correctly you couldn't even study medicine, engineering or architecture let alone pursue any creative path. Planning was dictated by the unaccountable commissars of the National Capital Development Commission, inspired by a strange mix of the post-war English new town movement (with its landscaping totally unsuited to our climate and soils) and modernists in love with Los Angeles (dinky freeways and mini-cloverleaves - why would anyone need public transport, let alone walk or cycle - just look at the space available for pedestrians and cyclists on Commonwealth and Kings ave bridges). City administration was by repressed bureaucrats (no eating outside and no front fences). In the 1990s Canberra was accurately described by my perceptive son as a 1970s-era dustbowl. I started to come back regularly for work over the past couple of decades, and ended up liking the emerging urban Canberra so much I decided to make a base here.

    Mark Valerius Mark Valerius 10:43 pm 04 Mar 19

    Mark, I’ve lived here for 52 years and I agree with everything you wrote. The city has evolved.

    Dean Gallegos Dean Gallegos 10:31 pm 06 Mar 19

    Mark Dando my sisters and I were born and grew up in Canberra in 60’s, 70’s and 80’s. Unusually during that time my Dad always worked in the private sector mostly for NASA during the moon landings and later US computer companies. My parents, after living there for 20 years, made the decision to move the whole family out of Canberra in 1986 and I can remember him saying “you kids wouldn’t know an opportunity if it slapped you in the face”. It was a nanny state, everything was laid on like a Whitlam utopian society. I’ve probably visited maybe 6 times since then, the last time about 12 years ago and I can remember that the Civic area was downright depressing. I’m going back again in July so it will be interesting if anything has changed.

Keran Niquet Keran Niquet 8:28 pm 04 Mar 19

Absolutely NOT!

Rob Chalmers Rob Chalmers 8:40 pm 04 Mar 19

Voting for No self government was a waste of time,that was effectively saying Canberrans are to stupid to look after there own affairs. I didn't want to live in an autocracy. Maybe things would be better now if we had stopped throwing ourselves on the ground like a 2 year old chucking a tantrum over self government.

Dee Sharpe Dee Sharpe 9:37 pm 04 Mar 19

NCDC did a pretty good job, in my opinion.

Nat Harper Nat Harper 9:47 pm 04 Mar 19


Stan Vizovitis Stan Vizovitis 9:50 pm 04 Mar 19

Overpaid over governed a city council could do a better job for its residents

George Lemon George Lemon 9:52 pm 04 Mar 19

An absolute failure.

    Nat Harper Nat Harper 9:54 pm 04 Mar 19

    George Lemon biggest joke of what should be a local council that I’ve ever seen.

    Brent Hunna Brent Hunna 10:11 pm 04 Mar 19

    Nat Harper chief minister salary. Mayor job. 😂😂😂

    Brent Hunna Brent Hunna 10:27 pm 04 Mar 19

    Nat Harper and trams with no benefit to the taxpayer

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