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40 zones extending to Woden and Gungahlin town centres [With poll]

By johnboy 26 July 2011 46

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Simon Corbell has announced the rollout of 40km/h zones in the Woden and Gungahlin town centres:

The 40km/h trial will run from August 2011 to January 2012 and operate on a full time basis (24 hours a day, seven days a week).

“The safety of pedestrians and all road users is important and this six month trial will provide the government with a great snapshot of how the 40km/h speed limit can better protect Canberrans in town centres,” Mr Corbell said.

“Implementing safer speed limits in areas of high pedestrian and cycling activity is a proven road safety measure, as identified in the National Road Safety Strategy and the ACT Road Safety Strategy and Action Plan.

“The ACT government has been investigating the option of introducing 40km/h areas around shopping centres where there are high levels of pedestrian and cyclist movement following community consultation that occurred in 2009.

“Research indicated that the introduction of a 40km/h speed zone can significantly reduce the risk of death for vulnerable road users. For example, a 10km/h decrease in speed can reduce the risk of death for pedestrians and cyclists by over 50 percent.”

The 40km/h speed limit will be applied to the core retail areas of the Woden and Gungahlin Town Centres.

Mr Corbell said traffic calming measures such as speed humps will be installed as part of the trial and signage will be erected to alert people to changed traffic conditions.

Simon promises there will be an evaluation and consultation on the results of the “trial” but anyone who remembers how 50 zones were rolled out will be taking the evaluation to be more about tweaking the boundaries than the concept, and how far to go in the other town centres.

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UPDATE: Above is the proposed Gungahlin 40 zone and this is the Woden one:

Woden 40 zone

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Gungahlin Al 11:05 am 28 Jul 11

PS: glad to see they extended the area down towards Magnet Mart after we pointed out their draft plan omitted the College – presumably a de-facto school zone anyway.

Gungahlin Al 11:03 am 28 Jul 11

It is true that Hibberson St is a joke with the major Flemington Rd piped into it. Original plans showed it connecting instead to Anthony Rolfe Ave. But I can only assume it was re-routed by the LDA in order to deliver immediate traffic in order to attract prospective shopping centre land buyers. It worked, but like many short-term plans, the tax payers and users end up footing the bill to fix the stupidity.

This is why GCC has been continuing to pursue a shared zone for Hibberson St. But not a mall, which often ends up a security nightmare at night. Business owners are comfortable with a shared zone because it is attractive to shoppers during trading times, yet there is some casual surveillance during night.

But we need the Valley Ave extension through to Gundaroo Drv (behind the car wash) to be completed so there is an effective ring road for “through” traffic, then the town centre can be throttled down for “destination” traffic and pedestrians. It is scheduled for completion with the next 2 years.

So until then, 40kph around our town centre will have to do it.

Childers St *was* a good shared zone, but they took the traffic choke points out when construction started on the student accommodation at the orth end. Now drivers treat it like a 60kph street. I can only hope that the chokes are put back when the building is finished.

BTW: have you seen the speed bumps filled with non-Newtonian fluids? They flatten if you are driving at the right speed, but go instantly hard if you hit them too fast – like cornflour and water. http://www.gizmag.com/bumpfree-dynamic-speedbump-gives-you-a-smooth-ride/14156/

Watson 10:37 am 28 Jul 11

And I was merely trying to say that it I do not agree that it is necessary to always base decisions on measurable criteria. Sometimes common sense is a better base for decisions than stats and figures… And weighing up the possible improvements against the impact of the change.

Also, I don’t think this is just an issue about safety either. Maybe ‘perceived safety’. It is about making the town centres more pleasant places for doing what people do there, which usually involves walking around lots.

Look at me! Without flailing arms! 😉

Watson 9:41 am 28 Jul 11

dpm said :

Watson said :

dpm said :

I’ve got no problem with this except, as m_ratt has mentioned, it seems to be based on research into pedestrian safety as various speeds, and is not linked to real data on how many people are injured here. Are these blackspots for pedestrians?
What they should have presented was the problem (the number of injuries etc on those roads – not presented), the research (as sited), the proposed trial details (presented), and how they are going to evaluate its effectiveness (not presented).
It’s probably a good idea, the whole thing just looks a bit sloppy really – kinda like they are randomly picking causes to crusade for.

Maybe they could temporarily up the speed to 100kph for a year, and keeps stats on how many pedestrians die, then lower it to 60kph for a year, and again take note of the fatalities and then they could implement the 40kph and compare the figures after a year? You’d have to make sure that drivers would actually drive at those speed limits though, to make sure that they do hit the pedestrians that are supposed to get hit and don’t mess up the stats. Because not being able to reliably measure these differences would be dreadful.

I was just saying that of the various traffic problems seen in Canberra, this one surpirsed me as being next on the top of their priority list – and after reading the media release hoping for more enlightenment regarding the seriousness of the problem, they didn’t really sell it to me that well. I think they could’ve done that better, personally. Having said that, i’m happy for it to happen but you’d be lucky to notice they’d implemented it in Woden (never been to the other place!) as traffic is terrible, mostly.
But I see we’ve reached the ‘go-to-sledgehammer-sarcasm-to-justify-my-point (with arms flailing!)’ part of the thread. When forum discussions degenerate to that level (or worse still, a stupid and exaggerated analogy-the lowest of all ‘debate’ responses!), that’s where I usually decide to check out of the discussion! And in this case, that decision is elementary, my dear Watson! 🙂

Jeezes, how else am I going to get any practice in fine-tuning my melodramatic, irrational, utterly annoying sarcasm skills???! This is it… I’ve nowhere else to go.

molongloid 1:40 am 28 Jul 11

40km/h is the max I’d do on those roads, so it seems right at a glance. But I want it to have been the result of careful analysis of every stretch of road and traffic, not due to some blanket policy and loose definition of town centre.

dpm 12:57 am 28 Jul 11

Watson said :

dpm said :

I’ve got no problem with this except, as m_ratt has mentioned, it seems to be based on research into pedestrian safety as various speeds, and is not linked to real data on how many people are injured here. Are these blackspots for pedestrians?
What they should have presented was the problem (the number of injuries etc on those roads – not presented), the research (as sited), the proposed trial details (presented), and how they are going to evaluate its effectiveness (not presented).
It’s probably a good idea, the whole thing just looks a bit sloppy really – kinda like they are randomly picking causes to crusade for.

Maybe they could temporarily up the speed to 100kph for a year, and keeps stats on how many pedestrians die, then lower it to 60kph for a year, and again take note of the fatalities and then they could implement the 40kph and compare the figures after a year? You’d have to make sure that drivers would actually drive at those speed limits though, to make sure that they do hit the pedestrians that are supposed to get hit and don’t mess up the stats. Because not being able to reliably measure these differences would be dreadful.

I was just saying that of the various traffic problems seen in Canberra, this one surpirsed me as being next on the top of their priority list – and after reading the media release hoping for more enlightenment regarding the seriousness of the problem, they didn’t really sell it to me that well. I think they could’ve done that better, personally. Having said that, i’m happy for it to happen but you’d be lucky to notice they’d implemented it in Woden (never been to the other place!) as traffic is terrible, mostly.
But I see we’ve reached the ‘go-to-sledgehammer-sarcasm-to-justify-my-point (with arms flailing!)’ part of the thread. When forum discussions degenerate to that level (or worse still, a stupid and exaggerated analogy-the lowest of all ‘debate’ responses!), that’s where I usually decide to check out of the discussion! And in this case, that decision is elementary, my dear Watson! 🙂

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