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40kmph zones on their way.

johnboy 5 November 2010 57

While a city and a nation focus on Joel Monaghan Jon Stanhope has pushed out his plan to drop city centre speed limits to 40kmph.

A trial of 40km/h speed zones in two busy town centres will commence in early 2011 in an effort to make Canberra’s streets safer and reduce the risk of road deaths, Chief Minister and Minster for Transport, Jon Stanhope, said today.

The Government has engaged GTA Consultants to design a trial of 40km/h speed zones in town centres in Gungahlin and Woden. The design will define the length of the trial and speed limit boundaries, hours of operation, and any necessary traffic calming measures.

Mr Stanhope said community consultation would be integral to the trial.

“This trial will provide an opportunity to analyse speed data and feedback from the community to determine how reduced speed limits might be applied to other areas in the ACT,” Mr Stanhope said. “Discussions will be held with the community and traders within the pilot precinct before the designs are finalised and any works are undertaken.

“The Government doesn’t intend to introduce 40 km/h speed zones in every shopping centre in the ACT. But we are looking at areas where it is reasonable to expect drivers to slow down because of the high number of pedestrians and cyclists.”

The dismal failure of vision zero can apparently still be used to justify this move.

UPDATE: The Greens Caroline Le Couteur is claiming credit for this move:

the ACT Greens’ Parliamentary Agreement with the ALP will bring safer and more vibrant Canberra town centres to Canberra, after the Government announced it would trial 40km/h speed zones in the busy town centres of Woden and Gungahlin.

The trials stem from an item in the Greens’ Parliamentary Agreement with the ALP, and campaigning from the Greens throughout 2010-11.

“We’ve been pushing for this in Canberra for a couple of years now, and it will bring many positive benefits to Canberra. It was in our Parliamentary Agreement and also a recommendation in the Active Transport Plan I released early this year”.


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Mysteryman 3:59 pm 08 Nov 10

Swaggie said :

Why do we need to hire consultants to decide what I could tell the Gvmt in 10 seconds and free of charge? This is a typical Stanhope grandstanding – a measure that looks good in print that will have little real impact on people’s lives but which will cost us money which could be better used elsewhere. You know a policy lacks common sense when the Greens jump on board. God give us a decent opposition PLEASE….

A giant +1 to that.

Mysteryman 3:57 pm 08 Nov 10

What is wrong with Stanhope? I work and play in the city – the busiest part of the ACT. It is more than safe for pedestrians. There is absolutely NO need for a change to the current speed limits. Why does this clown feel the need to further reduce the speed limit on yet more of our roads? So that he can then install more speed cameras and raise further revenue from frustrated motorists to offset his foolish spending.

Stanhopeles, stop wasting out time and money on your endless war against motorists and start doing something useful in this town.

astrojax 10:10 am 07 Nov 10

AndyC said :

One thing I don’t think anyone has mentioned, is how hard it actually is to maintain a speed limit of 40Km/h without contantly looking at your speedo. Call me a bad driver, whatever.

you’re a bad driver, or whatever…

do you not consult your speedo when in a sixty zone, or an eighty zone?

it really isn’t hard at all – and in any case, it is your obligation to maintain a speed equal to or lower than the posted limit on whatever stretch of road you use, so if you think that is hard maybe you could consider walking into the motor registry and handing back your licence.

AndyC said :

I’m sure I’ve also seen studies in the past that show driving at 40 km/h is less fuel efficient than driving at 60 km/h. Of course I guess it would depend on the gear ratios of the particular vehicle…..

or your method of driving, the gear you select (if you have a manual), the type of car you have…

anyway, i rekkun that’d be twaddle, though – happy to see your evidence, but consider basic physics: The power to overcome air resistance increases roughly with the cube of the speed, and thus the energy required per unit distance is roughly proportional to the square of speed. Because air resistance increases so rapidly with speed, above about 30 mph (48 km/h), it becomes a dominant limiting factor. (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles)

AndyC 11:10 pm 05 Nov 10

One thing I don’t think anyone has mentioned, is how hard it actually is to maintain a speed limit of 40Km/h without contantly looking at your speedo. Call me a bad driver, whatever. But In my experience, it is much harder to maintain this lower speed limit in newer cars than it is 50 or 60 km/h.

I’m sure I’ve also seen studies in the past that show driving at 40 km/h is less fuel efficient than driving at 60 km/h. Of course I guess it would depend on the gear ratios of the particular vehicle…..

cleo 10:54 pm 05 Nov 10

I always thought it was 40 in build up areas, I’ve always slowed down, maybe I’m thinking of another state

jube_V8Fairlane_235kw 9:11 pm 05 Nov 10

Anyone else love that GTA (my first thought was Grand Theft Auto) Consultants are designing traffic calming measures to protect pedestrians??

Jazz 5:27 pm 05 Nov 10

CSRI, still doesnt answer my question though. Vision 0 is about having 0 road deaths. In the absence of any other evidence the riot hive mind can only think of 2 deaths in the areas suggested to be covered by this legislation. BOTH involving flagrant disregard for the posted speed limits. So how exactly is this proposal going to change things?

Pork Hunt 5:27 pm 05 Nov 10

Sgt Bungers said

“Good old ACT Gov… always one step to the side whilst wearing odd socks”

Gold.

By mockingly suggesting “lets wrap everyone in cotton wool just in case” you have implied it is a slippery slope.

Jazz 4:10 pm 05 Nov 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

yay woody, lets wrap everyone in cotton wool just in case

Slippery slope? That’s the best you can do? Seriously? What are you, a grown man or a primary school debating team wannabe?

“This is a busy area with lots of pedestrians. Maybe we should review the speed limi…”
“OH FINE GO AND BAN CARS WHY DON’T YOU FTW”

Just listen to yourself. It’s sad.

dont recall mentioning slippery slope, i just fail to see how this bit of legislation which is costing taxpayers some considerable sum of money to be implemented achieves in any way the outcome it is apparently designed to achieve. You’ve done nothing to convince me otherwise.

Sgt.Bungers 4:03 pm 05 Nov 10

This is a token guesture at towards improving road safety at best. My problems with 40km/h limits are:

*The proposal for only putting them in a few town centres leads to inconsistencies. People relying on signs telling them what to do more often. If they’re going to make it 40 in some commercial areas, it should be 40 in all commercial areas.
*Lower the speed limits all you want… unless the road is redesigned and reengineered to suit a slower speed, drivers will not slow down. Lower a speed limit, drivers will resent it. Properly reengineer a road to accomodate all road users, drivers will barely notice they’ve slowed down. Note, this means a full reengineering… speed bumps, chicaines and pinch points just breed resentment.
*30km/h is the international standard for high pedestrian activity and many residential areas. Why are we adopting something different from the rest of the world yet again?
*If they’re really concerned about pedestrian safety, why does Townshend street in Philip have a 60km/h limit still, when there’s an intersection every 20 odd metres, pedestrian crossings and shops everywhere??

Good old ACT Gov… always one step to the side whilst wearing odd socks.

Swaggie 3:54 pm 05 Nov 10

Why do we need to hire consultants to decide what I could tell the Gvmt in 10 seconds and free of charge? This is a typical Stanhope grandstanding – a measure that looks good in print that will have little real impact on people’s lives but which will cost us money which could be better used elsewhere. You know a policy lacks common sense when the Greens jump on board. God give us a decent opposition PLEASE….

Pitchka 3:47 pm 05 Nov 10

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Yep, you must be stupid… Perhaps re-read all the posts, alot of those fuming at inconsiderate pedestrians, which would be one reason the ACT Gov has decided on these measures, if then, you are still unable to comprehend, then im unable to help you any further, and ill have to fine you for it…

Ah, hate to be a killjoy, but the only person fuming about ‘inconsiderate pedestrians’ is you.

Hasn’t been mentioned by anyone else. Doesn’t even arise in any of the ACT Gov documents or media reports.

PS – the voices in your head don’t count as ‘a lot of other people’ to the rest of us.

Refer to posts above, pwned…

I stand corrected. Apparently any accidents that occur on the roads *are* all the pedestrians fault and cars should be allowed to go as fast as they want.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/25/128773478691263236.jpg

georgesgenitals 3:29 pm 05 Nov 10

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Pitchka said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

You’d think the proposal was to make the Tuggeranong Parkway 40km/hr based on the reaction here.

Give it time, im sure there are several Riot members who would be all for it!!!

Then cyclists will start complaining about revenue raising when they get booked for speeding. Imagine the epic RA threads.

One of my cousins was once pulled over on his bike for speeding! It was downhill in a 50km/h zone and he was pedaling like crazy. Funny thing was that he was about 15 at the time, so the cops just growled at him and let him go. This wasn’t in ACT, btw.

Woody Mann-Caruso 3:28 pm 05 Nov 10

yay woody, lets wrap everyone in cotton wool just in case

Slippery slope? That’s the best you can do? Seriously? What are you, a grown man or a primary school debating team wannabe?

“This is a busy area with lots of pedestrians. Maybe we should review the speed limi…”
“OH FINE GO AND BAN CARS WHY DON’T YOU FTW”

Just listen to yourself. It’s sad.

Thoroughly Smashed 3:19 pm 05 Nov 10

Pitchka said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

You’d think the proposal was to make the Tuggeranong Parkway 40km/hr based on the reaction here.

Give it time, im sure there are several Riot members who would be all for it!!!

Then cyclists will start complaining about revenue raising when they get booked for speeding. Imagine the epic RA threads.

Jim Jones 3:03 pm 05 Nov 10

Pitchka said :

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Yep, you must be stupid… Perhaps re-read all the posts, alot of those fuming at inconsiderate pedestrians, which would be one reason the ACT Gov has decided on these measures, if then, you are still unable to comprehend, then im unable to help you any further, and ill have to fine you for it…

Ah, hate to be a killjoy, but the only person fuming about ‘inconsiderate pedestrians’ is you.

Hasn’t been mentioned by anyone else. Doesn’t even arise in any of the ACT Gov documents or media reports.

PS – the voices in your head don’t count as ‘a lot of other people’ to the rest of us.

Refer to posts above, pwned…

I stand corrected. Apparently any accidents that occur on the roads *are* all the pedestrians fault and cars should be allowed to go as fast as they want.

Pitchka 2:39 pm 05 Nov 10

Jim Jones said :

Pitchka said :

Yep, you must be stupid… Perhaps re-read all the posts, alot of those fuming at inconsiderate pedestrians, which would be one reason the ACT Gov has decided on these measures, if then, you are still unable to comprehend, then im unable to help you any further, and ill have to fine you for it…

Ah, hate to be a killjoy, but the only person fuming about ‘inconsiderate pedestrians’ is you.

Hasn’t been mentioned by anyone else. Doesn’t even arise in any of the ACT Gov documents or media reports.

PS – the voices in your head don’t count as ‘a lot of other people’ to the rest of us.

Refer to posts above, pwned…

Jazz 2:34 pm 05 Nov 10

yay woody, lets wrap everyone in cotton wool just in case. While were at it, lets ban cars all together because there might be an accident in one. lets also ban bicycles while were at it too and then we will really achieve vision zero

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