Easter Road Death

…acting super daryl…

After having seen the clip on the news of “Acting Superintendent Daryl Something” I now know what this means. Previously I had pictured someone with a cape and underwear on the outside.

I’m with xyro and some others on this. If it looked very freshly crashed and/or obviously someone was in it, sure I’d stop to see what could be done, but if it just looked like a dumped/wrecked/burnt out car in a paddock, why bother, they are a dime a dozen.

Disgusted123 and a few others really need to calm down and get a grip.

I’ve driven and ridden through there many a time and wouldn’t have a clue what’s in the paddocks. Its a demanding road.

Disgusted123 said :

xyro said :

i drove past the wreck with my family about 7.30 am….just assumed it was a stolen car…it was a mess and we did comment to our travelling companions via uhf that it looked bad. We probably should have stopped and checked….but then our weekend would have been ruin too… condolences to the family.. There was alson many cyclists riding back and forwards past by that stage… so i am suprised it took so long to be investigated.

Zyro – you are the scum of the earth – absolute trash.

YOU COULD HAVE SAVED HIS LIFE.

I hope this haunts you for the rest of your days.

(but you wouldn’t want it to ruin your holiday, hey??)

And btw its XYRO not ZYRO

Deckard said :

Have to agree with Growling Ferret here. How would xyro or any of these cyclists know how long the car had been there?

I can’t say that I would or wouldn’t have stopped as I wasn’t there, but if the car was overturned on or nearby the road I’m sure xyro would have stopped to check.

I discussed the happenings of the weekend and RA over dinner this evening.. I am pleased to see that since I went out there are a few who not agree but sympathise with me. Put yourself in my position, go for a drive through that area. I made a spur of the moment decision, I was genuinely shocked that someone had died there. As were my companions. We had spent the weekend thinking it was a burnt out car on its roof (like I see there every week) . I am comforted a little that the guy apparently died instantly. i am 35 I have seen my dickhead mates die in similar circumstances coming from out bush. But if you play with fire you are going to get burned. If you play with gas and fire, you are going to die, everyone knows if you drive at excessive speeds you can/will eventually end up an organ doner. Shit happens. I may be different in thinking to most on this forum, but I refuse to feel sympathy for these people, I feel for their friends and workmates and all that, I just think….better to be dead on the side of the road alone than into the front of my car with my family, or your car and your family. I have nothing more to say on the matter. Those who want to bag me continue, those who empathise thankyou.

Pommy bastard said :

zig said :

He must have been going quick…..Who says speed doesn’t kill?

It doesn’t. It’s the abrupt stop that usually proves fatal.

So true, speed doesn’t kill, the faster you go the more abrupt the stop and of course your body doesn’t usually like that.

But seriously it is driving against the conditions of the road that results in accidents not speed per se. There is a difference. And of course add in risk factors such as limited skills of the driver and the quality and safety of the car, increase accident likelihood.

Oh and bagging out xyro et al, not I (although I don’t condone his actions) … I honestly don’t know what I would have done if I was driving (or cycling) at 7.30am. In hindsight we all say stop and look and how dare people don’t. But apart from those who actually said what they did, what would everyone do, really? No really? I am not callous nor am I full of love for all mankind but hypothetically had I seen the wreck I would assess the situation in my mind from afar and would then make a judgement about what to do. And the story to this: some people speed, some people don’t, some people steal cars, some people buy cars, some people don’t stop for accidents, some people do stop. Shit happens, lets get over it.

Have to agree with Growling Ferret here. How would xyro or any of these cyclists know how long the car had been there?

I can’t say that I would or wouldn’t have stopped as I wasn’t there, but if the car was overturned on or nearby the road I’m sure xyro would have stopped to check.

Tooks said :

Xyro, you’re not making yourself sound any better.

Not trying too make myself better….I have already been judged.

Growling Ferret said :

Xyro

Shame the holier than thous are all out on this one.

I suppose everyone bagging Xyro stops to assist every broken down car on the side of the road? No, but its easy to hypocritically bag someone.

From the images in the CT, the wreck was a good 50 metres plus off the road – and could easily have been abandoned. Driving past the wreck with a car full of kiddies, I doubt I would have stopped unless I had seen dust, smoke or some indication that this was a recent event.

The cyclists who ignored the vehicle are as guilty of failing to stop or show any sort of duty of care.

Thankyou.!

Disgusted123 said :

xyro said :

i drove past the wreck with my family about 7.30 am….just assumed it was a stolen car…it was a mess and we did comment to our travelling companions via uhf that it looked bad. We probably should have stopped and checked….but then our weekend would have been ruin too… condolences to the family.. There was alson many cyclists riding back and forwards past by that stage… so i am suprised it took so long to be investigated.

Zyro – you are the scum of the earth – absolute trash.

YOU COULD HAVE SAVED HIS LIFE.

I hope this haunts you for the rest of your days.

(but you wouldn’t want it to ruin your holiday, hey??)

LOL I didn’t mention that you could see there was noone in the car(or they would be hanging upside down.) But i pass 10 wrecks in the bush a week. People walk away. This one didn’t shit happens…seems a lot of you people dont get out much..Drive the tracks yourelves – I can guarentee I stop and help more people in distress than most of you. Just not this fella…nice to shoot a guy for being honest.

Xyro

Shame the holier than thous are all out on this one.

I suppose everyone bagging Xyro stops to assist every broken down car on the side of the road? No, but its easy to hypocritically bag someone.

From the images in the CT, the wreck was a good 50 metres plus off the road – and could easily have been abandoned. Driving past the wreck with a car full of kiddies, I doubt I would have stopped unless I had seen dust, smoke or some indication that this was a recent event.

The cyclists who ignored the vehicle are as guilty of failing to stop or show any sort of duty of care.

xyro, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but now I just think you’re callous. No-one deserves to die like that. I just hope you’re never in a position of needing another person’s help.

Xyro, you’re not making yourself sound any better.

oh and by 10 am hundreds of cyclists have ridden past… go sit there a while if you doubt me!

peterh said :

xyro said :

i drove past the wreck with my family about 7.30 am….just assumed it was a stolen car…it was a mess and we did comment to our travelling companions via uhf that it looked bad. We probably should have stopped and checked….but then our weekend would have been ruin too… condolences to the family.. There was alson many cyclists riding back and forwards past by that stage… so i am suprised it took so long to be investigated.

and this is what surprises me about people in canberra. Not. You had a UHF radio? you could have called it in on the emergency band, don’t you people think? The driver may still have been alive, but you couldn’t ruin your weekend?? you probably should have stopped and checked? wouldn’t you want someone to do that if it is you in the accident? and perhaps the driver had managed to extricate themselves from the vehicle, crawled away and listened to cars and cyclists going by, dying. You were able to discuss it on the radio, but didn’t want to stop and check? Unbelievable.

If you had the time to see it, discuss it and drive on, you had the time for one of you to get out and check. I would have, and so would have countless others I know. But it all seems to be someone else’s problem. I hope that someone has the decency to stop if i am ever in an accident. I would hate to think that they discuss it with their mates and drive on….

I had six small children in the car… I see so many stolen wrecked cars out that road it has become normal to ignore it…. If he was driving at the speed apparent he deserved what happened to him….I feel sorry for his family.. The car was so wrecked it looked burnt out… If you want to throw stones, see the cyclists, it takes a good 5 mins to ride past it. Anyway like i said – I didn’t want to ruin my day…and it would have… Maybe not your idea of a good citizen but I can sleep at night! BTW there was 3 generations (not my family) in the car behind me and none of them would have done any different!

Having worked alongside the police forces of four countries, I can tell you that you should thank your lucky stars for the fine body of men and women you have working here in Canberra, and in Aus in general.

Ahh perspective. Careful, you’ll break the RiotACT!

monomania said :

RatsNest said :

gertel said :

Being an idiot doesn’t mean you deserve to die.

But chlorinating the gene pool isnt a bad idea…

Well Rat, It depends on whether the “genes” for being a bit of an idiot are worse than the “genes” for being a callous twit with a bent for eugenics.

+1

Having worked alongside the police forces of four countries, I can tell you that you should thank your lucky stars for the fine body of men and women you have working here in Canberra, and in Aus in general.

bigred said :

Tooks, no he couldn’t be bothered making contact with the bloated corrupt constabulary in this town. He has learnt through experience (as have many others) that he is on his own if it all “goes to custard”. The good thing about acting super daryl is he seems to actually care about his job. Shame his workmates don’t!

Thats a pretty poor generalization.You might be surprised to find that there are a lot of people out there that care about their job. Sure some may not, but name an organisation where everyone loves their job!

Also on the prang, whether it is private property, car is stolen or what ever, the thing was on its roof. It was obvious that to get in that position someone had been in a high speed prang. At the very least it should’ve been called in, whether or not you went up to the car or not.

It’s sad to know that someone is dying in a paddock for 2 and a half hours while people drive and ride past without doing a thing.

Ian said :

As a matter of interest, does anyone know when the accident was called in to the police?

From what I can remember, it was called in around 10:00am. If it was a local farmer, I think I may know who reported it in.

Also on a side note, I saw the aftermath of a Ford Territory turning right onto Melrose Drive from Theodore Street & being hit by a Ford Falcon EL that was continuing northbound on Melrose Drive. The Falcon was smashed up & needed to be towed away, while the Territory had only a scratch on it.

Or perhaps it is just the police receptionists? In any case I have also found they are very disinterested and dismissive, and I wouldn’t bother ringing ACT police to report minor issues.

Tooks, no he couldn’t be bothered making contact with the bloated corrupt constabulary in this town. He has learnt through experience (as have many others) that he is on his own if it all “goes to custard”. The good thing about acting super daryl is he seems to actually care about his job. Shame his workmates don’t!

As a matter of interest, does anyone know when the accident was called in to the police?

And bigred slips in one of his predictable and pathetic anti-police comments, which is what he is famous for.

Tell us what ‘the usual couldn’t be bothered tone’ is. Call police a lot do you? Wonder why…

One of the golden rules of driving, especially outside the city limits, is if you see what might be a freshly crashed car you take a look to see if anyone needs assistance. One of the pitfalls of driving a car is sometimes you will come across something that is unsavoury to your genteel lifestyle such as a damaged or maimed human being. If its “too much bother” to take a few moments to check what does that say about where our society is heading.

Heard acting super daryl on the radio this arvo bleating about how sad it was that someone wasn’t coming home and imploring us to report bad drivers. Wonder how long it will be bfore someone does make such a report and get the usual “couldn’t be bothered” tone plod is famous for.

It may of been the wrong thing to discuss the accident over UHF. But reporting a motor vechile crashed on a farm over UHF may of done nothing. The Police themselves would of just put it down to a dumped car & not attended until they were free.

You all are forgetting where the vechile was, it was quite a way into private property & xyro didn’t know what was on the farm. What could of happened if xyro had gone with some others to investigate & were attacked by farm dogs or anything else? Then there could of been a lot more then one death. A rule of thumb for maybe next time, is if you see a vechile crashed on a farm, drive down to the next property & if it is possible, let the farmer know.

Oh & if I was in an accident & someone drove past, I may be pissed off. But in my mind I would keep the thought that they had called 000 & someone was on the way.

zig said :

He must have been going quick…..Who says speed doesn’t kill?

It doesn’t. It’s the abrupt stop that usually proves fatal.

And, I have to give kudos to the Crimes photographer who took that snap, it’s been pushed in photoshop a treat. (Looks like it could be an 80’s electroband CD cover!)

Peter, I agree the radio could have been used. However, and while admitting I know nothing of CB ettiquite or xyro’s exact curcumstances, what would have happened if he’d reported the accident and the car turned out to have been just an abandonded vehicle? Also, is there any evidence the person survived the crash but died later of his injuries? If so I’d expect xyro could be feeling pretty low about all this. If the person died quickly, however, (which I hope he did) then nothing xyro could have done would have helped.

I’m not saying he couldn’t have at least investigated the car or advised the authorities of the crash over the radio. It just seems that laying this persons death on xyro without any information as to the nature of the injuries or the exact timing of the death seems a bit harsh.

I just hope it’s a lesson learned for xyro.

if you were in an accident (god forbid), and saw a vehicle slow down and then speed up, how would you feel?

I’d probably be pretty pissed off. And if I saw a vehicle on the side of the road, obviously crashed, with no signs of being attended to I would probably stop (especially after this post. But I can also understand the natural assumption, not that someone else will deal with it, but rather someone else already would have stopped.

berraboy, if the person had called in the accident to the police via radio at 7.30am, as they weren’t able to force themselves to investigate the crash, at least something positive would have been done. I understand the desire to avoid these horrible images, i have seen a few thus far, but I would have done something, not relied on the chance that someone else would.

p1 said :

I can’t understand why you guys are hanging so much $hit on Zyro. He may have made the above post a little casually, but it comes across as an honest expression of what flashed though his (her?) head when passing a crash beside a busy road early on a Friday morning.

P1,

if you were in an accident (god forbid), and saw a vehicle slow down and then speed up, how would you feel?

taking the time to stop and check would have allowed anyone to see what was going on, and if the driver was alive at the time, perhaps the outcome could have been different. or not.

I am just amazed that the attitude was to chat about it on the radio and drive on. The honesty may be there, but it is a sad place we live in when the problem becomes someone else’s, and not ours.

Though, thinking about it, I have seen people walking past someone in the street, not stopping to help them with the directions to a hotel, shop or cafe, because someone else will help them, surely?

And Xyro, that’s pretty damn poor form.

As are comments that suggest that the driver deliberately crashed.

I’m with Thumper on this.

I also agree that Xyro or one of his companions could have checked the vehicle but I also believe some people just aren’t the type to do so. Not because they are necessarily callous or cowards (I’d need more info on Xyro etc. before I could form an opinion) but also because looking into a crashed vehicle after a serious accident is likley to present you with some pretty nasty sights – it’s not a natural act nor one you’d like to repeat. Some people just aren’t prepared to deal with that. I’ve seen a very nasty (fatal) accident and know I’d really have to force myself to investigate another crash if there was a possibility of seeing something similar again.

vandam said :

Unbelieveable……..clearly if you look at the wreck whether stolen or not, it’s been in a decent prang. Maybe this person could’ve survived, if only one person had stopped to check.

Its a real shame that live in a city wuth some precious people that don’t want to ‘ruin their weekend’ or don’t have a care about anyone else except themselves.

Those who rode past this prang without doing anything should be ashamed of themselves. Its unforgivable.

why must it be someone else will look after the accident? why, at least, didn’t you use the UHF radio to call and report the vehicle?
This could have been a feel good story, young driver saved after passing motorist stopped to assist. Shame, xyro, shame.

I can’t understand why you guys are hanging so much $hit on Zyro. He may have made the above post a little casually, but it comes across as an honest expression of what flashed though his (her?) head when passing a crash beside a busy road early on a Friday morning.

A friend of mine once saw, without realising what he was looking at, a woman collapsed in her back yard. When he found out later that he may have been able to prevent a death had he realised what he was looking at, it took some time to deal with. Using this sad story as a call for people to think more about their surroundings on the road is one thing, to with traumatic guilt on the possibly hundreds of people who didn’t stop is pretty harsh.

xyro said :

i drove past the wreck with my family about 7.30 am….just assumed it was a stolen car…it was a mess and we did comment to our travelling companions via uhf that it looked bad. We probably should have stopped and checked….but then our weekend would have been ruin too… condolences to the family.. There was alson many cyclists riding back and forwards past by that stage… so i am suprised it took so long to be investigated.

Zyro – you are the scum of the earth – absolute trash.

YOU COULD HAVE SAVED HIS LIFE.

I hope this haunts you for the rest of your days.

(but you wouldn’t want it to ruin your holiday, hey??)

Unbelieveable……..clearly if you look at the wreck whether stolen or not, it’s been in a decent prang. Maybe this person could’ve survived, if only one person had stopped to check.

Its a real shame that live in a city wuth some precious people that don’t want to ‘ruin their weekend’ or don’t have a care about anyone else except themselves.

Those who rode past this prang without doing anything should be ashamed of themselves. Its unforgivable.

I do have a big issue with people who tell us that “they saw the accident, but didn’t investigate” for fear of ruining their weekend. going to do some work – need to calm down a bit.

Actually, they didn’t say that they didn’t stop for fear of ruining their weekend, they said they didn’t stop because they assumed (as presumably many other people in cars and on bikes) that it was a stolen car, and that there was no one in it. I know next time I drive past a wreck I will be looking to make sure that there is no one in it, but I can totally understand how on a bright weekend morning that would not even occur to you.

And Xyro, that’s pretty damn poor form.

As are comments that suggest that the driver deliberately crashed.

I wasn’t even bothering to touch those comments. I do have a big issue with people who tell us that “they saw the accident, but didn’t investigate” for fear of ruining their weekend. going to do some work – need to calm down a bit.

And Xyro, that’s pretty damn poor form.

Driving in via Canberra Ave between Qbn and Fyshwick this morning, it was rainy and foggy with poor visibility. Traffic was cruising along about 70km/h.

As I got to the top of the small rise I had to brake sharply to avoid a cyclist. Full lycra gear. No lights on. One a road with a CYCLE PATH RIGHT NEXT TO IT!

Some of these cyclists are just morons.

xyro said :

i drove past the wreck with my family about 7.30 am….just assumed it was a stolen car…it was a mess and we did comment to our travelling companions via uhf that it looked bad. We probably should have stopped and checked….but then our weekend would have been ruin too… condolences to the family.. There was alson many cyclists riding back and forwards past by that stage… so i am suprised it took so long to be investigated.

If you are being serious, that is appauling. You and the people you were travelling with should all be disgusted with yourselves for possibly contributing to this persons death by not wanting to get involved. The person could’ve been alive at that stage. Not just you, but every party who travelled past the scene and couldn’t be bothered to check.

How can you be surprised it took so long to be investigated when you along with many people these days couldn’t be bothered to spend 30 seconds of your time possibly helping someone else out. If it in fact had been a stolen car, as you assumed it had been, 30 seconds is all it would’ve taken to stop and grab the number plate.

Pray that when you roll your car on a deserted highway that the first 200 parties to pass you don’t have your attitude.

Aeek said :

Not built up doesn’t mean no people. 8:30 am on a weekend, that’s a cycling road.

Would be nice if some of the cyclists on the roads out there realised cars used the roads as well. For the most part the cyclists are pretty good, but more than once I have seen some pretty dodgy stuff with cyclists on the wrong side of the road. Oddly enough, on the downhill sections where they can generate some proper speed.

Seems it’s not only speeding motorists with a death wish.

xyro said :

i drove past the wreck with my family about 7.30 am….just assumed it was a stolen car…it was a mess and we did comment to our travelling companions via uhf that it looked bad. We probably should have stopped and checked….but then our weekend would have been ruin too… condolences to the family.. There was alson many cyclists riding back and forwards past by that stage… so i am suprised it took so long to be investigated.

and this is what surprises me about people in canberra. Not. You had a UHF radio? you could have called it in on the emergency band, don’t you people think? The driver may still have been alive, but you couldn’t ruin your weekend?? you probably should have stopped and checked? wouldn’t you want someone to do that if it is you in the accident? and perhaps the driver had managed to extricate themselves from the vehicle, crawled away and listened to cars and cyclists going by, dying. You were able to discuss it on the radio, but didn’t want to stop and check? Unbelievable.

If you had the time to see it, discuss it and drive on, you had the time for one of you to get out and check. I would have, and so would have countless others I know. But it all seems to be someone else’s problem. I hope that someone has the decency to stop if i am ever in an accident. I would hate to think that they discuss it with their mates and drive on….

i drove past the wreck with my family about 7.30 am….just assumed it was a stolen car…it was a mess and we did comment to our travelling companions via uhf that it looked bad. We probably should have stopped and checked….but then our weekend would have been ruin too… condolences to the family.. There was alson many cyclists riding back and forwards past by that stage… so i am suprised it took so long to be investigated.

Growling Ferret said :

According to a copper mate, the Pulsars estimated speed was around 160kmh, and the drivers body was found 30 metres away from the car.

Look at it this way – at least he wasn’t speeding in a built up area and having an accident with the wrong place wrong time stereotypical retired couple in a street race.

Not sure where your ‘copper mate’ got those figures, but they are far from correct.

Rabble said :

deye +1 – sadly this is often the case.

Indeed, and the wider picture hints at possibly not wearing a seatbelt, as post #9 informs that the poor driver’s remains were found (ie thrown) some considerable distance from the car.

I vaguely recall a 1990s quote from the director of safety at Mercedes-Benz, who stated that a significant proportion of single-vehicle fatalities in Germany were intentional, and this was a subject that no one involved in road safety wished to discuss publically. I can’t remember the specific figure now but it was at least 30%, and possibly 50%.

deye +1 – sadly this is often the case.

RatsNest said :

gertel said :

Being an idiot doesn’t mean you deserve to die.

But chlorinating the gene pool isnt a bad idea…

Well Rat, It depends on whether the “genes” for being a bit of an idiot are worse than the “genes” for being a callous twit with a bent for eugenics.

There is always the possibility that he chose to go off the road at that point.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I like the part where you generalised from your own subjective experiences then contrasted them with those of a completely imaginary person. Also, I totally believed the bit where you said you ‘am not talk about lower class people compared with rich snobs’.

Thanks, I had thought of using names like B Stanhope & J Smyth. But only thought of that afterwards.

I like the part where you generalised from your own subjective experiences then contrasted them with those of a completely imaginary person. Also, I totally believed the bit where you said you ‘am not talk about lower class people compared with rich snobs’.

My opinion is that it all has to do with their upbringing. I am not talk about lower class people compared with rich snobs. I mean by usually if your parents gave you the right amount of freedom & taught you right. For example I believe that I was given this type of upbringing (I even come from middle class background) & I have been brought up with driving to the conditions & with what I can handle. With my parents slowing getting me to feel what speed is like & what it feels like when the ABS kicks in, etc.

While J Citizen who is from a rich snob upbringing & whose parents watched their every move & said no to anything of interest to the child. When they end up leaving home & have their own car, will push the car as much as they can, but of course they haven’t been trained properly & first minor incident means they end up in a serious accident.

So we can teach everyone the dangers of speed, drugs & alcohol, but some will never learn

gertel said :

Being an idiot doesn’t mean you deserve to die.

Oh? So you’d be happy being killed by someone being an idiot? Or just maimed? How about someone from your family? Or a friend? Unless a mechanical fault happened that caused the accellerator to jam on, this guy decided to drive like a dick. Probably not for the first time. Every time they did they threw the dice to kill or hurt themselves or others. This time they rolled the dice and their car.

It truly sucks to have a member of your family killed because of one of these people, and I’m glad that in this case, the idiot concerned just took himself out.

gertel said :

Being an idiot doesn’t mean you deserve to die.

But chlorinating the gene pool isnt a bad idea…

Not built up doesn’t mean no people. 8:30 am on a weekend, that’s a cycling road.

Well if I had a child who was a little slow to develop some commonsense I wouldn’t want them to die. Being an idiot doesn’t mean you deserve to die.

My condolences to the family.

According to a copper mate, the Pulsars estimated speed was around 160kmh, and the drivers body was found 30 metres away from the car.

Look at it this way – at least he wasn’t speeding in a built up area and having an accident with the wrong place wrong time stereotypical retired couple in a street race.

It would certainly give the gene pool a bit of a cleanup.

Because when the little shits take themselves out they take others out with them – or worse, emerge unscathed while the person they hit is a mangled wreck.

If it could be arranged that they would reliably wrap themselves around a tree, I’d be all for it.

Granny what’s the point in banging heads against brick walls trying to educate the kids you talk about. Let them go as fast as they want. Those with brains will survive, those without, won’t.

Speed is an addiction so, like junkies taking a fatal overdose, when these youngsters wrap themselves round trees, I can’t feel sorry for them.

Could have been a roo.

He must have been going quick…..Who says speed doesn’t kill?

As sad as it is that someone dies, I’m happy that he only took himself to the other side and no one else during their excessive speeding. They have track days for that….

The photo in that Canberra Times article is excellent. A pity about the circumstances though.

I hope the death was instant. I wouldn’t have wanted him to be dying alone like that.

I really don’t know how you reach kids like this. Messages relating to common sense precautions for safe driving seem not to reach them; kind of like the Simpsons talking to Santa’s Little Helper.

Perhaps the frontal lobes have not developed sufficiently in some of them. He might not have biologically had enough myelination occur to be capable of avoiding the impulsivity and irrationality associated with the adolescent brain and make sensible driving decisions.

Having said that, I know that there are many responsible young drivers out there. It does give me cause for concern however.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/lonely-death-grim-start-to-feared-long-weekend/1484106.aspx