Unreal Australians outnumber Real Australians on Northbourne at 8am. CONC Day.

ProudtobeAussie said :

No I do not believe that the CO2 released by humans is the primary cause of the warming and cooling of the earths atmosphere, to put the blame for the droughts, warmer and cooler temperatures, sea level changes etc etc is scientific stupidity.

I don’t know what scientific stupidity is, but it doesn’t sound very scientific.

ProudtobeAussie said :

#27..Please answer this question: Do you believe that CO2 released by humans is causing the climate on earth to change? If so, do you think we should do something about it? If so, what is your plan – presumably not a carbon tax?

No I do not believe that the CO2 released by humans is the primary cause of the warming and cooling of the earths atmosphere, to put the blame for the droughts, warmer and cooler temperatures, sea level changes etc etc is scientific stupidity. It is almost as stupid as believing that we all came from Adam & Eve. Yes the earths temperature is changing based on records taken over a period of time which is equivelent to a period of a millisecond in earths histroy. So how can you possible know with 100% conviction that man is the cause of all the earths woes? Its like what happened to the theory that we were all going to be fried because of the hole in the ozone. and all other theories that go back through mans existance? Jeez there was even one that said the earth was flat. I do believe that modern society is wastefull when it comes to its consumption of energy and that alternatives need to be found as oil & coal are finate and polluting resources. But honestly you cannot be serious in saying that applying a tax to 500 companies then giving it to the end user as compensation for price rises makes any sense what so ever and will solve the earth problems? Man will never make any impact on climate change untill “ALL” nations on the face of the earth want to reduce their energy usage. This will not happen as two of the biggest producers are developing third world energy hungry countries, namely China and India. the amount of CO2 we produce in comparison to them is like a fart in a cyclone. Even then it will be mother nature and only mother nature that will determine the climatic changes that occur and dont occur. So seriously do you honestly think that man is the “sole culprit” for the changes to the global climatic system or are you simply one of the sheep that follows the mob without all the facts and figures first because its trendy and helps you sleep better at night believing you are changing the world by skipping every second breath?
The government could start by using all the billions of dollars its going to waste on setting up more money hungry departments, and relistically back the use of “back to grid” photovoltaic solar systems and hotwater systems on every new home, office and industrial complex that is build from now on in this country, and supporting the Australian solar industry that is dying a horrible slow death due to cheap imports from china. We have more than enough free sunshine in this country, why not use it?

Can someone sum this up because I really couldn’t be bothered attempting to read it.

Well at least there’s some common ground on supporting solar energy there. (A few placards on the convoy supporting solar energy would have been welcome and make it look more thoughtful and less like an Alan Jones inspired hate-in.) Credit where due on that one, proudtobeaussie, good one thanks. Maybe there’s hope for us all yet!

ProudtobeAussie said :

#27..Please answer this question: Do you believe that CO2 released by humans is causing the climate on earth to change? If so, do you think we should do something about it? If so, what is your plan – presumably not a carbon tax?

No I do not believe that the CO2 released by humans is the primary cause of the warming and cooling of the earths atmosphere, to put the blame for the droughts, warmer and cooler temperatures, sea level changes etc etc is scientific stupidity. It is almost as stupid as believing that we all came from Adam & Eve. Yes the earths temperature is changing based on records taken over a period of time which is equivelent to a period of a millisecond in earths histroy. So how can you possible know with 100% conviction that man is the cause of all the earths woes? Its like what happened to the theory that we were all going to be fried because of the hole in the ozone. and all other theories that go back through mans existance? Jeez there was even one that said the earth was flat. I do believe that modern society is wastefull when it comes to its consumption of energy and that alternatives need to be found as oil & coal are finate and polluting resources. But honestly you cannot be serious in saying that applying a tax to 500 companies then giving it to the end user as compensation for price rises makes any sense what so ever and will solve the earth problems? Man will never make any impact on climate change untill “ALL” nations on the face of the earth want to reduce their energy usage. This will not happen as two of the biggest producers are developing third world energy hungry countries, namely China and India. the amount of CO2 we produce in comparison to them is like a fart in a cyclone. Even then it will be mother nature and only mother nature that will determine the climatic changes that occur and dont occur. So seriously do you honestly think that man is the “sole culprit” for the changes to the global climatic system or are you simply one of the sheep that follows the mob without all the facts and figures first because its trendy and helps you sleep better at night believing you are changing the world by skipping every second breath?
The government could start by using all the billions of dollars its going to waste on setting up more money hungry departments, and relistically back the use of “back to grid” photovoltaic solar systems and hotwater systems on every new home, office and industrial complex that is build from now on in this country, and supporting the Australian solar industry that is dying a horrible slow death due to cheap imports from china. We have more than enough free sunshine in this country, why not use it?

Yeah.

#27..Please answer this question: Do you believe that CO2 released by humans is causing the climate on earth to change? If so, do you think we should do something about it? If so, what is your plan – presumably not a carbon tax?

No I do not believe that the CO2 released by humans is the primary cause of the warming and cooling of the earths atmosphere, to put the blame for the droughts, warmer and cooler temperatures, sea level changes etc etc is scientific stupidity. It is almost as stupid as believing that we all came from Adam & Eve. Yes the earths temperature is changing based on records taken over a period of time which is equivelent to a period of a millisecond in earths histroy. So how can you possible know with 100% conviction that man is the cause of all the earths woes? Its like what happened to the theory that we were all going to be fried because of the hole in the ozone. and all other theories that go back through mans existance? Jeez there was even one that said the earth was flat. I do believe that modern society is wastefull when it comes to its consumption of energy and that alternatives need to be found as oil & coal are finate and polluting resources. But honestly you cannot be serious in saying that applying a tax to 500 companies then giving it to the end user as compensation for price rises makes any sense what so ever and will solve the earth problems? Man will never make any impact on climate change untill “ALL” nations on the face of the earth want to reduce their energy usage. This will not happen as two of the biggest producers are developing third world energy hungry countries, namely China and India. the amount of CO2 we produce in comparison to them is like a fart in a cyclone. Even then it will be mother nature and only mother nature that will determine the climatic changes that occur and dont occur. So seriously do you honestly think that man is the “sole culprit” for the changes to the global climatic system or are you simply one of the sheep that follows the mob without all the facts and figures first because its trendy and helps you sleep better at night believing you are changing the world by skipping every second breath?
The government could start by using all the billions of dollars its going to waste on setting up more money hungry departments, and relistically back the use of “back to grid” photovoltaic solar systems and hotwater systems on every new home, office and industrial complex that is build from now on in this country, and supporting the Australian solar industry that is dying a horrible slow death due to cheap imports from china. We have more than enough free sunshine in this country, why not use it?

The ‘don’t get taken for a ride’ bike protest got mentioned on Channel 7’s national (TV) news earlier – nice work.

Felix the Cat said :

Trucks are a tad bigger and harder to maneouvere than cars, 10 semis would take up similar space as 60 cars.

I wonder who paid for the Police resoursces for all this, I’m betting the organisers of the CONC didn’t?

Regardless of the logistics of getting 60 trucks around the place, it was a lack of participant interest which killed this in the arse, not logistical problems. You’re right, had 60 trucks all turned up at the same place at the same time, there would have been more logistical problems that 60 cars, but given that 60 trucks (who where all no doubt invited along) didn’t even bother showing up in the first instance kinda says something.

phototext said :

“The Carbon Tax aims to reduce Australia’s CO2 output by 160 million tonnes. World CO2 emissions in 2008 were 29,888,121 million tonnes.

So that makes Australia’s CO2 reduction 0.00053533% . That is such a small number its hard to comprehend. Think of it as approximately 5/10,000 or 5 divided by ten thousand percent.

However that is based on 2008 CO2 output, and the 160 million tonnes saving is aimed to happen in 2020. What is the percentage saving of the worlds CO2 output by Australia in 2020?

Well its predicted that CO2 output will rise by 1.2% per annum. That means in 2020 world carbon dioxide emissions will be 34,487,742 million tonnes.

So Australia’s carbon tax saves 0.000463933% of the worlds CO2 output. Its even less than 5 divided by ten thousand percent.

Billions of dollars of taxes on Australia people and businesses. Extra federal government agencies with thousands more bureaucrats. Businesses closing and businesses moving off-shore.

All to save 0.000463933% of the worlds CO2 output.””

Please provide your source for these figures.

I’m guessing Alan Jones is his source and who knows where he pulls his figures from.

Felix the Cat said :

Trucks are a tad bigger and harder to maneouvere than cars, 10 semis would take up similar space as 60 cars.

LOL what? First of all, most of the trucks in the protest didnt actually have trailers. Also, most semi’s are just over 10m long, thats 2 holden commodores.

ProudtobeAussie said :

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.
How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

that’s a big 10/4 good buddy !

10/10 for the predictable redneck abuse

and 4/10 for the predictable redneck spelling mistakes.

back to Hayseed Central for you !

“The Carbon Tax aims to reduce Australia’s CO2 output by 160 million tonnes. World CO2 emissions in 2008 were 29,888,121 million tonnes.

So that makes Australia’s CO2 reduction 0.00053533% . That is such a small number its hard to comprehend. Think of it as approximately 5/10,000 or 5 divided by ten thousand percent.

However that is based on 2008 CO2 output, and the 160 million tonnes saving is aimed to happen in 2020. What is the percentage saving of the worlds CO2 output by Australia in 2020?

Well its predicted that CO2 output will rise by 1.2% per annum. That means in 2020 world carbon dioxide emissions will be 34,487,742 million tonnes.

So Australia’s carbon tax saves 0.000463933% of the worlds CO2 output. Its even less than 5 divided by ten thousand percent.

Billions of dollars of taxes on Australia people and businesses. Extra federal government agencies with thousands more bureaucrats. Businesses closing and businesses moving off-shore.

All to save 0.000463933% of the worlds CO2 output.””

Please provide your source for these figures.

ProudtobeAussie said :

OMG i feel sooooooooo much better…

Please answer this question: Do you believe that CO2 released by humans is causing the climate on earth to change? If so, do you think we should do something about it? If so, what is your plan – presumably not a carbon tax?

If you answered no to the above question, why did you include all that waffle about how little it will do globally, since it is unimportant to your argument?

Felix the Cat said :

I wonder who paid for the Police resoursces for all this, I’m betting the organisers of the CONC didn’t?

And legit or not, you can bet these truckies will be claiming the fuel and other “expenses” from this sojourn on their tax… hence the tax payers get screwed a little bit more.

harvyk1 said :

johnboy said :

creative_canberran said :

Organiser Mick Pattel had this to say, claiming the low numbers were deliberate to keep things tidy:

“The idea was to minimise it because, look, it was just going to be too difficult, even with 60 vehicles behind you it was incredibly hard to manage in terms of getting parking, in terms of getting fuel, getting food. We realised that we could actually collapse in on ourselves just by the sheer weight of numbers, and by the time we got to Canberra I really think it would have been a mess,” he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-22/convoy-converges-on-canberra/2849352

Some world quality turd polishing going on.

It’s going to be a long drive home.

Yeah, I’m calling total BS on behalf of Mick Pattel… I’ve been on car club drives which have had way more cars than 60 (it looks quite impressive when you have 100 virtually identical make \ model cars all driving in a line) and yet everyone managed to get fuel \ food \ accom \ parking… It was fairly simple, you called ahead that such things might be a problem to warn them they will be swamped at a certain time, and you give everyone a proper itinerary with expected times… A CB radio or two doesn’t hurt either.

Trucks are a tad bigger and harder to maneouvere than cars, 10 semis would take up similar space as 60 cars.

I wonder who paid for the Police resoursces for all this, I’m betting the organisers of the CONC didn’t?

ProudtobeAussie said :

JooLIARS latest solution on the boat people a $150 million dollar “love boat”, so we can now feed them house them entertain them and now…Give them a boat cruise Wooo Hoo.

Howard did the exact same fucking thing. I’m sick of the boat people arguments, both major parties have the same plan, just in different countries. Neither plan makes economic or social sense.

ProudtobeAussie said :

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.
How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

Didn’t there used to be a “flame of the month” post? I nominate this guy.

Henry82 said :

ProudtobeAussie said :

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

Not sure if trolling or serious. Thats the most retarded comment i’ve seen on RA this week.

So I have competition. I’m usually the one responsible for the retarded comments

#6 – Must try harder: Neglected to mention live exports and boat people – C-Minus.

Oh sorry about that #11.

JooLIARS latest solution on the boat people a $150 million dollar “love boat”, so we can now feed them house them entertain them and now…Give them a boat cruise Wooo Hoo.

Cattle are fine and enjoying their boat trips as well …thanks for asking

A+ for further information???

Here are some feel good figures for you “pro Carbon Tax” pedal pushers to mull over when you sip on your mungbean juice after your morning bike ride. These are the real facts….that I am sure Mr Geoff Lazarus, of Climate Active Australia, Penny Wong, Bob Brown or JooLIAR hasnt bothered to mention

What percentage of global emissions will Australias carbon tax reduce?

Labor/Greens alliance Prime Minister Julia Gillard does not like to answer this question, because it is such a small number.

The Carbon Tax aims to reduce Australia’s CO2 output by 160 million tonnes. World CO2 emissions in 2008 were 29,888,121 million tonnes.

So that makes Australia’s CO2 reduction 0.00053533% . That is such a small number its hard to comprehend. Think of it as approximately 5/10,000 or 5 divided by ten thousand percent.

However that is based on 2008 CO2 output, and the 160 million tonnes saving is aimed to happen in 2020. What is the percentage saving of the worlds CO2 output by Australia in 2020?

Well its predicted that CO2 output will rise by 1.2% per annum. That means in 2020 world carbon dioxide emissions will be 34,487,742 million tonnes.

So Australia’s carbon tax saves 0.000463933% of the worlds CO2 output. Its even less than 5 divided by ten thousand percent.

Billions of dollars of taxes on Australia people and businesses. Extra federal government agencies with thousands more bureaucrats. Businesses closing and businesses moving off-shore.

All to save 0.000463933% of the worlds CO2 output.

OMG i feel sooooooooo much better

Wow well done guys and girls,

What we need to know is at what cost to the Australian and its economy?

and most importantly the battling Australians that will have to suffer with ever rising costs of living, while forking out for this joke?

And as a footnote those who enjoyed the improved traffic conditions this morning…your welcome, sorry about the idiots on the bikes.

johnboy said :

creative_canberran said :

Organiser Mick Pattel had this to say, claiming the low numbers were deliberate to keep things tidy:

“The idea was to minimise it because, look, it was just going to be too difficult, even with 60 vehicles behind you it was incredibly hard to manage in terms of getting parking, in terms of getting fuel, getting food. We realised that we could actually collapse in on ourselves just by the sheer weight of numbers, and by the time we got to Canberra I really think it would have been a mess,” he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-22/convoy-converges-on-canberra/2849352

Some world quality turd polishing going on.

It’s going to be a long drive home.

Yeah, I’m calling total BS on behalf of Mick Pattel… I’ve been on car club drives which have had way more cars than 60 (it looks quite impressive when you have 100 virtually identical make \ model cars all driving in a line) and yet everyone managed to get fuel \ food \ accom \ parking… It was fairly simple, you called ahead that such things might be a problem to warn them they will be swamped at a certain time, and you give everyone a proper itinerary with expected times… A CB radio or two doesn’t hurt either.

johnboy said :

Some world quality turd polishing going on.

It’s going to be a long drive home.

My thoughts exactly. Turns out that when it comes down to it, there’s a good deal fewer crazies willing to actually stand up and admit it than they’d hoped.

As has been mentioned already, I would also like to thank the organisers for giving me the best run in to work I’ve had in ages. You’re welcome back any time if you can promise a repeat of that (though please try to keep the honking down a bit – it loses its impact after the first, well, 2 seconds to be honest).

Maybe my eyes are going, but Id swear all those vehicles have ACT plates.

Pity the “unreal Australians” couldnt stay within their lanes or understand that travelling 2-abreast in a cycle lane is dangerous.. though, its not like theyll (be able to) receive any penalties.

Ben_Dover said :

ProudtobeAussie said :

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.
How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

Ah, the first spotting of the first lesser spotted hayseed moron this spring. Better weather on its way for the next two weeks. Lovely.

I expect he’s self-educated.

Love your work, Ben_Dover!

That Twitter thingy says there are another 150-odd convoyers convoying up Northbourne now – I gather they were camped in Yass overnight.

More importantly, I think I’ve finally found something that Twitter is useful for.

On one hand, the planet is in an interglacial period, and is warming up anyway.

On the other hand, carbon is everywhere, in everything.

Wait… What?

creative_canberran said :

Organiser Mick Pattel had this to say, claiming the low numbers were deliberate to keep things tidy:

“The idea was to minimise it because, look, it was just going to be too difficult, even with 60 vehicles behind you it was incredibly hard to manage in terms of getting parking, in terms of getting fuel, getting food. We realised that we could actually collapse in on ourselves just by the sheer weight of numbers, and by the time we got to Canberra I really think it would have been a mess,” he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-22/convoy-converges-on-canberra/2849352

Some world quality turd polishing going on.

It’s going to be a long drive home.

Organiser Mick Pattel had this to say, claiming the low numbers were deliberate to keep things tidy:

“The idea was to minimise it because, look, it was just going to be too difficult, even with 60 vehicles behind you it was incredibly hard to manage in terms of getting parking, in terms of getting fuel, getting food. We realised that we could actually collapse in on ourselves just by the sheer weight of numbers, and by the time we got to Canberra I really think it would have been a mess,” he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-22/convoy-converges-on-canberra/2849352

#6 – Must try harder: Neglected to mention live exports and boat people – C-Minus.

ProudtobeAussie said :

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.
How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

Ah, the first spotting of the first lesser spotted hayseed moron this spring. Better weather on its way for the next two weeks. Lovely.

ProudtobeAussie said :

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

Not sure if trolling or serious. Thats the most retarded comment i’ve seen on RA this week.

Any chance of a Name And Shame on the furniture truck? Bloody uncalled-for.

I hope the Unreal Australians had soem bunting or signage to signal who they were.

ProudtobeAussie said :

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.
How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

So one protest is allowed whilst the counter protest is not?

Ha, you mob on your f***in bicycles are “pedalling” the same shit as JooooLIAR and her mates are.
How much carbon did you save this morning…..becase it doesnt feel any cool here ya bunch of tossers!

A dedication to the convoy:

Wheels Of Confusion by Black Sabbath

Baldy said :

Would it be possible to contact the organisers of the convoy of no confidence and see if they can arrange to do this every Monday? The traffic conditions were great this morning and it was a nice start to Monday morning to not deal with traffic jams.

+1 to that! It was better than a friday before the long weekend drive to work! Haven’t had it this good in a long time!

I for one would like to thank the Real Australians in the convoy of no confidence for clearing Canberra’s roads and giving me the fastest run into work I’ve ever done…

I vote all motor & plant mechanics go on protest next Monday. They keep all your vehicles on the road.

I suggest they stand on the side of the road & throw spanners at cars in protest…………

Would it be possible to contact the organisers of the convoy of no confidence and see if they can arrange to do this every Monday? The traffic conditions were great this morning and it was a nice start to Monday morning to not deal with traffic jams.