16 January 2025

Electric buses sent back to manufacturer for rehab after running out of puff

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Transport Minister Chris Steel on board the first Custom Denning electric bus when it arrived in October 2023. Photo: Ian Bushnell.

The four Australian-manufactured electric buses leased by Transport Canberra have been sent back to Sydney for attention after ongoing reliability issues related to their range.

Transport Canberra told Region that the Custom Denning Element 2 electric buses, which have spent a lot of time idle at their Belconnen depot, were suffering technical issues and it was working with the manufacturer to resolve them.

Transport Minister Chris Steel later confirmed that the problem was that the buses were not covering the expected 400 kilometres without recharging and had been limited to short runs.

Mr Steel told ABC radio that the four buses weren’t delivering the range that had been specified by the manufacturer.

“So they’re going up there to have some work done, but we expect them to return to the fleet to provide services, especially as we ramp up with the school year starting,” he said.

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While the problem is limited to just these four buses and they are leased not owned by Transport Canberra, it comes as the MyWay+ ticketing system continues to have bugs and doesn’t perform as promised.

Transport Canberra said it was not considering tearing up the five-year, $3.8 million leasing contract with Custom Denning and remained committed to resolving the issues.

Mr Steel said the work to extend the buses’ range was being done during the quiet school holiday period when they were not needed.

He said the 41 Chinese-made Yutong electric buses, which make up most of the electric fleet, were operating really well and had been an excellent addition to the fleet.

“Generally speaking, I think most Canberrans that have used these electric buses on the network have found them to deliver really clean, quiet and comfortable services,” Mr Steel said.

“And mostly on the whole, quite reliable services.”

Transport Canberra has contracted to buy 90 of these and lease 12.

The ACT Government is committed to increasing the number of electric buses as part of its climate change strategy to fully transition the fleet by 2040 or earlier.

Mr Steel said the lessons learned from this procurement would be applied to further purchases and leases, as well as from the experience of Transport for NSW, which is also running Yutongs and other makes.

“We have over time learned some lessons about what we might procure in future in terms of some of the internal fit-out to make it better for both customers and for the drivers,” he said.

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Despite the latest problems, Mr Steel said the bus fleet procurement program was on the right track.

“I’m pretty confident that with the technical advice that we got leading into that procurement, the work that we’ve done on the zero-emissions transition plan for Transport Canberra, which has now been updated, that we’ve got the right approach to market,” he said.

Mr Steel also defended the MyWay+ procurement, saying the current issues had to do with project management and testing before going live on 27 November.

He said the provider, NEC, was committed as much as Transport Canberra to improving the system.

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The race to net zero – net zero reliability, net zero savings, net zero common sense, net zero practicality.

Sigh……

A fleet of over 100 buses, less than 4% out with a fixable issue. I’d imagine there are plenty of fleet managers who’d be pretty happy with that, but I guess reasoned analysis is beyond partisans with net zero credibility.

Sigh……

Roger, Tracy4:57 pm 16 Jan 25

Nett knowledge = zero.

go woke , go broke……

Every week or so, Transport Canberra say they’ve now fixed an issue with My Way+ and that these were just expected teething issues, nothing to see here.

Then we find out through the Public Transport Association, members of the public or the media that the issue is still happening. Cue Transport Canberra again rolling out the same excuse and say that the problem has just been fixed and it will be all good going forward.

Today we found out that they have some electric buses in operation that still haven’t had their My Way+ system installed and some commuters have been overcharged fares. Talk about a debacle. How can anyone have trust in Transport Canberra executives, their own bus drivers certainly don’t.

Range anxiety as soon as they are put into gear

102 other electric buses say nah.

If paying 2.5 times the cost of ICE buses is OK and a good spend Seano what is your definition of a bad spend? Then about every 3 to 4 years the battery has to be changed

None of that is true Rob.

So, we have buses that don’t charge properly, trams that can’t go up hills, bespoke electric firetrucks that firies don’t trust to use, a ticketing system in chaos, and millions spent on useless IT systems. But don’t worry, smiley Chris Steel has it all in hand. Or foot. Or elbow. Or something.

Canberrans keep voting them back in so deserve everything they get. If your not happy change your vote in 4 more years

Canberrans might not keep voting them in if the Canberra Liberals offered an electable alternative and the rabid Canberra Liberal boosters online wouldn’t flood every conversation with a torrent of BS.

Maybe if you lot would pull your heads and address issues on their merits with facts and not scream bloody murder about every little thing you might make some headway with the general public.

Two independents were elected at the last poll, it seems like the public was looking for change and the Canberra Liberals and their boosters missed an opportunity.

IDK maybe the very online, loosely hinged and rabid Canberra Liberal boosters might consider giving the tsunami of BS a rest or even try making reasoned arguments to see how that goes.

It’s been 20 years, it’s just Labor that needs to change.

*not just Labor that needs to change.

It’s simple, get rid of our over remunerated arrogant Mr Steel to star with.

If you purchase any type of battery powered vehicle you buy problems, especially with regard to range and lifespan. More important questions to ask (which were not) are these.
1. How much more expensive were these buses than ICE powered buses?
2. What was the cost when these buses were returned to the workshop to increase their range?
3. What the expected life of these battery-powered buses compared to similar sized ICE buses?
The answer to ALL these questions compared to ICE buses would be much more expensive, much more frequent and costly battery maintenance and far less lifespan. You only buy battery powered commercial vehicles to virtue signal. You certainly don’t buy them because they make economic sense.

A fleet of over 100 electric buses is fine. Your’re making this claim based on less than 4% of the fleet having what seems to be a fixable issue.

Michael Pless2:00 pm 16 Jan 25

The fact is, BEV buses have been in use around the world very successfully and are increasing in popularity. Just because the four locally-made items (out of a fleet of 106) are poor quality or defective in some way doesn’t mean that electric buses are as bad as you want to believe. And like some, I would rather not have a diesel engine in front of my car spewing carbon dioxide and carcinogens towards me. Clearly though, you are not in that number. And I have to wonder, exactly what maintenance do you think the bus batteries need? A grease and oil change? A valve grind? Timing belt replacement? Maybe fuel-injector clean? And for the record, the expected life of a BEV far exceeds that of any ICE with lower maintenance and lower running costs. So, by all means, fixate on the minority, and ignore this part of the article: “…the other 102… electric buses… were operating really well and had been an excellent addition to the fleet…” if that suits your purposes.

At what cost Seano? A fleet of over 100 EV buses is not fine. In 5 years they are junk/scrap value without expensive battery replacement programs. The life of a properly maintained ICE Public transport bus is about 15 years. Then they are usually sold on the 2nd hand market even then for quite substantial amounts. The only thing your 5-6 year old EV bus is fit for is scrapping. What a ridiculous waste of taxpayers money.

@Rob
Perhaps you can give us the benefit of your extensive research into EV buses – especially the research would has enabled you to conclude that the life of an EV is 5 years?

Oh btw – that’s a cynically rhetorical question. I actually did run a query on the life of an EV bus. This from the WA government:
“Analysis undertaken by the Western Australian Government shows the cost to operate an electric bus across its 18-year service life is around $1 million less than the current diesel buses.”

Points 2 and 3 are irrelevant. The article plainly says they are leased and not meeting the supplier’s range figure. Why are you concerned about the supplier’s own costs and risks?

None of that is true Rob.

Yep, and if they went the full woke/climate/PC nonsense push, we would have the WHOLE damn fleet off the road. Own goal……time for the adults to be back in charge.

yeah except has anyone had e-buses for 18 years to know if the 18 year claim holds up?

29 Transport Canberra buses have been retired from service in the past 12 months. 8 were between 18 and 19 years old, 4 were over 20 years old, and 17 (the majority) were over 30 years. How did you figure 15 years retirement age? Realistically, what operators (unless desperate) would choose to buy 15 year old buses and is there really a viable market?

Yutong electric city buses are expected to last well over 10 years with normal maintenance. The batteries may need replacement within that timeframe, but the bus itself should continue operating for a long time. However battery technology is evolving quickly and battery lifespan appears to be longer than the original estimates.
Denning is our local struggling alternative to the Chinese giant Yutong so some problems were to be expected.

The electric buses proclaimed by the EV Cult that have been running for years around the world are not battery, but electric trolley buses. A big difference the EV Cultists won’t acknowledge. Now watch as the cult looses their tiny mins over these comments hahaha!

@stevew77
A quick google research reveals that in 2017 Shenzhen, China (I’ve been there – it’s not a small city) became the first city in the world to electrify all of its public buses, replacing it’s fleet of 16,000 buses. They’re still running – which clearly has outstripped “Chicken Little” Rob’s doom and gloom figure of 5 years.

But hey, keep an eye on the Shenzhen fleet and come back when you find one has fallen over … that’ll be enough to satisfy the anti-ev luddites like yourself.

@Peter H
Really? https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/db408b53-276c-47d6-8b05-52e53b1208e1/e-bus-case-study-Shenzhen.pdf

How does that adage go – better to have people think you are a fool, then speak and prove them right?

Capital Retro1:08 pm 16 Jan 25

“………have been sent back to Sydney……”
If they have range problems, where are they going to be recharged en route?
Or they going to on a filthy fossil-fueled float.

You could always use a horse team…..

ChrisinTurner12:45 pm 16 Jan 25

Is this a further example of inadequate testing?

Inadequate Steel & his overemunerated bureaucrats FGS.

Oh great, MLA Steel is a medium for Bjelke-Petersen now, “don’t you worry about that, just you wait and see”.

What does this comment even mean?

They have 4 buses, out of a fleet of over 100, not performing as expected so they’re having that problem addressed by the manufacturer…I fail to see the issue or the supposed cover-up is.

Sometimes the relentless partisanship is amusing, mostly it’s tedious.

MLA Steel has a very long list of failures, including MyWay+, that he and you don’t want people to comment on.

Lol…IDC what you comment on champion. I care about the truth.

If the Liberals had won last term and a bunch of Labor broekns were banging on about a fixable issue affecting less than 4% of the fleet as if EVs don’t work and were claiming it as a massive failure of the new Liberal government rather than just par for the course in managing a large fleet I’d be posting the same things. But that’s the difference between me and you.

BS is BS no matter which political football team you blindly support champ.

If only they were built here in the ACT like the Libs wanted…

I think your making that up!

That Liberals wanted…..WHAT? They didn’t want them….period.

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