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A fine use of taxpayers money

By johnboy - 10 January 2013 46

post it notes

Neil has sent in this one:

Someones been busy with post it notes – Dept of Infrastructure etc in Civic.

Nice to see they’ve got time to get their geek on.

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bikhet 7:14 am 12 Jan 13

Tetranitrate said :

And it’s just an unfortunate coincidence when the providers who get the privilege of selling to government departments at well above retail prices turn out to be the drinking buddies of said public servants, the ones that ought not be unfairly criticized.

The process of setting up a panel is an attempt to prevent that. Of course, the setting up of the panel can be subverted, but it’s harder due to their being more oversight of that process than of someone buying a few Post-It notes.

If you have evidence of fraud as you describe, I’d urge you to contact the appropriate Inspector-General and/or the AFP.

Antagonist 11:11 pm 11 Jan 13

c_c™ said :

Public service is failing to achieve maximum value on something as basic as stationary, then no wonder bigger things like DMO projects go to pieces.

Public servants have got the stationary bit mastered. It is the stationery they are having difficulty with.

c_c™ 7:48 pm 11 Jan 13

Genie said :

I don’t think you quite understood my comment… It is in fact cheaper most of the time to go purchase stationery at places like Kmart, Big W, Costco…

I order stationery through COS at work… A ‘cabinet pack’ of post it notes (usually 18 to a pack) is about $30-$40 each.

I recently just bought myself some giant memo blocks for a massive $2 each at Kmart. Prob equivalent to about 5 post-it pads.

Government departments are required to buy their stationery through these providers, even though we could go to the shops and buy it cheaper.

Yes, which is why I said the follow in my comment:

I am assuming that government departments buy in bulk, using combined accounts to achieve some bulk savings. If that’s not the case, then I think we may want to make this article about the fault of managers and bean counters in the public service to achieve better value for the taxpayer’s dollars.

Public service is failing to achieve maximum value on something as basic as stationary, then no wonder bigger things like DMO projects go to pieces.

Tetranitrate 7:42 pm 11 Jan 13

bikhet said :

Genie said :

When was the last time you purchased stationery for a Government department…. ? Post-it note are quite expensive through the “must use” providers. In fact a lot of the stationery, esp post-it notes are cheaper at Costco than places like OfficeMax, Cos etc

A fine example where the need to be able to show you are doing the right thing prevents you from actually doing the right thing.

You go through the process of setting up a panel of preferred providers – an expensive exercise in itself. Then you buy stuff from those providers, whether or not you can get the stuff cheaper elsewhere. If people query this you can always say that you followed the required process.

This isn’t meant to be a criticism of individual public servants, but of the systems they are forced to work under. I understand the need for accountability when dealing with public money, but sometimes it leads to contrary outcomes.

And it’s just an unfortunate coincidence when the providers who get the privilege of selling to government departments at well above retail prices turn out to be the drinking buddies of said public servants, the ones that ought not be unfairly criticized.

bikhet 6:54 pm 11 Jan 13

Genie said :

When was the last time you purchased stationery for a Government department…. ? Post-it note are quite expensive through the “must use” providers. In fact a lot of the stationery, esp post-it notes are cheaper at Costco than places like OfficeMax, Cos etc

A fine example where the need to be able to show you are doing the right thing prevents you from actually doing the right thing.

You go through the process of setting up a panel of preferred providers – an expensive exercise in itself. Then you buy stuff from those providers, whether or not you can get the stuff cheaper elsewhere. If people query this you can always say that you followed the required process.

This isn’t meant to be a criticism of individual public servants, but of the systems they are forced to work under. I understand the need for accountability when dealing with public money, but sometimes it leads to contrary outcomes.

Genie 5:39 pm 11 Jan 13

Genie said :

When was the last time you purchased stationery for a Government department…. ?
Post-it note are quite expensive through the “must use” providers. In fact a lot of the stationery, esp post-it notes are cheaper at Costco than places like OfficeMax, Cos etc

Buying a single 5 pad pack of multicoloured sticky notes (not 3M brand) from a place like Officeworks retail, that whole window would have cost $2-3 to do.

I am assuming that government departments but in bulk, using combined accounts to achieve some bulk savings. If that’s not the case, then I think we may want to make this article about the fault of managers and bean counters in the public service to achieve better value for the taxpayer’s dollars.

I don’t think you quite understood my comment… It is in fact cheaper most of the time to go purchase stationery at places like Kmart, Big W, Costco…

I order stationery through COS at work… A ‘cabinet pack’ of post it notes (usually 18 to a pack) is about $30-$40 each.

I recently just bought myself some giant memo blocks for a massive $2 each at Kmart. Prob equivalent to about 5 post-it pads.

Government departments are required to buy their stationery through these providers, even though we could go to the shops and buy it cheaper.

jett18 5:27 pm 11 Jan 13

On the upside, this thread has bought attention to the level of appreciation that the public has for random street art. The day just won’t be the same without walking past space invaders…

Masquara 5:06 pm 11 Jan 13

Best public art in Canberra in the last year or more. And for $10 – not $100,000.

Matt_Watts 4:35 pm 11 Jan 13

I’d like to see someone replicate the artwork on another office window somewhere in Canberrra….

NoImRight 4:34 pm 11 Jan 13

Roundhead89 said :

And I suppose all those stories about public servants not having enough work to do are an invention by the shock jocks and Murdoch newspapers …

“All thsoe stories'”? If you cant believe a rumour mill what can you believe? But yes . Public sevants are slackers, everyone else are jolly hard workers who are an example to us all.

c_c™ 4:21 pm 11 Jan 13

Antagonist said :

And the cost of the time…?

Happy staff are productive staff. I imagine the cost of time has been repaid a thousand times over thanks to improved morale. It certainly have a dozen or so Rioters something to do with their time 🙂

Yeah quite right. The whole concept of being chained to a desk doing solid work between allotted times has well and truly being debunked as aiding productivity.

Genie said :

When was the last time you purchased stationery for a Government department…. ?
Post-it note are quite expensive through the “must use” providers. In fact a lot of the stationery, esp post-it notes are cheaper at Costco than places like OfficeMax, Cos etc

Buying a single 5 pad pack of multicoloured sticky notes (not 3M brand) from a place like Officeworks retail, that whole window would have cost $2-3 to do.

I am assuming that government departments but in bulk, using combined accounts to achieve some bulk savings. If that’s not the case, then I think we may want to make this article about the fault of managers and bean counters in the public service to achieve better value for the taxpayer’s dollars.

Dante 4:13 pm 11 Jan 13

It’s now been posted twice that the person that posted it up paid for it out of their own pocket and that it was done in their own time. Can we stop repeating the same tired lines now?

Of all the people in Australia to bash public servants, I thought Canberrans would have been the most reasonable. It appears not.

Roundhead89 4:02 pm 11 Jan 13

And I suppose all those stories about public servants not having enough work to do are an invention by the shock jocks and Murdoch newspapers …

Spykler 3:55 pm 11 Jan 13

Neil sees street art
Attention leads to removal of 80’s icons
tears flow freely on RA

zorro29 3:46 pm 11 Jan 13

damn you…now they’re gone…RIP post-it video game characters

*hits table with fists

Antagonist 11:37 am 11 Jan 13

zorro29 said :

taking it down???? noooooooooooooooooooo. it’s adorable!

+100. Bunch of kill joys.

sorry to the public for people being allowed to have some colour in their work station…jesus christ

Little boxes on the window,
Little boxes made of post-its,
Little boxes on the window,
Little boxes all the same.

There’s a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they’re all made out of post-its
And they all look just the same.

johnboy 11:31 am 11 Jan 13

DoityBoid said :

Congratulations Neil & Johnboy/Riotact.
Those have been up for weeks, and I’m sure the bosses didn’t have a problem with them.

Were you guys also the school prefects or hall monitors?

It’s a fine line we run often with street art.

Br profiling it we make it much more likely the government will remove it.

A couple of years ago I had a chat to some of the country’s biggest street artists at the National Gallery about the issue.

The consensus I got from them was that getting the work seen was the big thing, so they were fine with publicity even if it did get the work painted over.

zorro29 11:24 am 11 Jan 13

taking it down???? noooooooooooooooooooo. it’s adorable!

sorry to the public for people being allowed to have some colour in their work station…jesus christ

DoityBoid 11:23 am 11 Jan 13

Congratulations Neil & Johnboy/Riotact.
Those have been up for weeks, and I’m sure the bosses didn’t have a problem with them.

Were you guys also the school prefects or hall monitors?

Bassman1977 11:23 am 11 Jan 13

As a child of the 80’s, I love it. I’d gladly give up $10 to the Department involved to keep them up.

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