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A hero emerges in Kaleen thanks to police video, but his dog wasn’t much use

By johnboy 28 August 2012 74

Following on from this morning’s report of a brutal robbery at the Kaleen Caltex ACT Policing has trialled a new system to let us have the video from the event.

And isn’t it just a cracker? The dog walker taking charge like a boss is priceless and the pratfalls of the thuggish thief will live long in the memory.

Now having enjoyed that let us remember this bit from the earlier release:

Anyone who may have been in the vicinity of the Caltex service station in Kaleen on Friday night and witnessed the aggravated robbery, or knows someone matching the above description is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or via www.act.crimestoppers.com.au. Information can be provided anonymously.

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UPDATE 29/08/12 08:52: Thanks to the CanMeme folks for this gem:

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Henry82 10:02 pm 30 Aug 12

Tooks said :

Everyone I’ve ever seen sprayed has been fully decontaminated with water alone. I’ve never ever seen anyone use eye drops in relation to OC spray.

If you can find one domumented case of someone dying after being sprayed with 5% OC spray (which most cops carry) as the only contributing factor, I’ll be surprised.

OC spray is not soluble in water, so decontamination doesn’t work.

I’m not sure your “only contributing factor” argument really proves anything. OC can be a trigger for the deaths, especially when combined with asthma or other common lung issues.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 7:11 pm 30 Aug 12

Tooks said :

melon1234 said :

Jivrashia said :

Getting killed is always a risk for all parties involved under such circumstance.
Even if the cashier is defenceless.

But I don’t think you’re aware of the effect of capsicum sprays.
It DOES incapacitate, which is why it is actually illegal for a normal civilian to carry around.
The whole point is to give the cashier enough time to run back into an office while the culprit temporarily loses vision and gets disoriented.

The alternative is a taser gun. But its claim to being non-lethal is in question so I didn’t suggest it.

I don’t think you’re completely aware of the effects of capsicum spray.

There’s more reported deaths caused by the deployment of capsicum spray, than there has been from the deployment of TASERs. Without getting into the debate about the accuracy of studies, it’s believed to have caused asphyxiation due to its impact on the respiratory system, and studies have suggested it can cause fatal reactions to those under the influence of cocaine. That said, those under the influence of drugs tend not to react to the symptoms of OC spray anyway, which is why police carry an arsenal of weapons to allow the appropriate response to the situation.

That said, both OC spray and TASERs are classified as ‘less-than-lethal’ weapons, not ‘non-lethal’.

Really? There’s been about 60 (alleged) OC spray related deaths (involving police) in the US over about 20 years. There’s been 180 Taser related deaths in the US in 6 years.

In Australia, there have been 6 Taser related deaths in the last 10 years. I could find only 2 OC spray deaths in that time. In one of those cases, the cause of death wasn’t clear from the post morterm (BTW he stabbed a man and refused to drop the knife when directed to by police – he was lucky he wasn’t shot). In the other, the man died from burns (was self harming when sprayed by police).

As far as the earlier comment by someone that you need special eye drops to decontaminate a person from spray is absolute rubbish. Everyone I’ve ever seen sprayed has been fully decontaminated with water alone. I’ve never ever seen anyone use eye drops in relation to OC spray.

If you can find one domumented case of someone dying after being sprayed with 5% OC spray (which most cops carry) as the only contributing factor, I’ll be surprised.

I think the problem is that oc spray and tasers are supposed to be used instead of firearms, not used if somebody doesn’t do what a police says or a police doesn’t like someone’s attitude.

Tooks 4:57 pm 30 Aug 12

melon1234 said :

Jivrashia said :

Getting killed is always a risk for all parties involved under such circumstance.
Even if the cashier is defenceless.

But I don’t think you’re aware of the effect of capsicum sprays.
It DOES incapacitate, which is why it is actually illegal for a normal civilian to carry around.
The whole point is to give the cashier enough time to run back into an office while the culprit temporarily loses vision and gets disoriented.

The alternative is a taser gun. But its claim to being non-lethal is in question so I didn’t suggest it.

I don’t think you’re completely aware of the effects of capsicum spray.

There’s more reported deaths caused by the deployment of capsicum spray, than there has been from the deployment of TASERs. Without getting into the debate about the accuracy of studies, it’s believed to have caused asphyxiation due to its impact on the respiratory system, and studies have suggested it can cause fatal reactions to those under the influence of cocaine. That said, those under the influence of drugs tend not to react to the symptoms of OC spray anyway, which is why police carry an arsenal of weapons to allow the appropriate response to the situation.

That said, both OC spray and TASERs are classified as ‘less-than-lethal’ weapons, not ‘non-lethal’.

Really? There’s been about 60 (alleged) OC spray related deaths (involving police) in the US over about 20 years. There’s been 180 Taser related deaths in the US in 6 years.

In Australia, there have been 6 Taser related deaths in the last 10 years. I could find only 2 OC spray deaths in that time. In one of those cases, the cause of death wasn’t clear from the post morterm (BTW he stabbed a man and refused to drop the knife when directed to by police – he was lucky he wasn’t shot). In the other, the man died from burns (was self harming when sprayed by police).

As far as the earlier comment by someone that you need special eye drops to decontaminate a person from spray is absolute rubbish. Everyone I’ve ever seen sprayed has been fully decontaminated with water alone. I’ve never ever seen anyone use eye drops in relation to OC spray.

If you can find one domumented case of someone dying after being sprayed with 5% OC spray (which most cops carry) as the only contributing factor, I’ll be surprised.

jimbob87 4:54 pm 30 Aug 12

Real heros walk away though guys…..

obamabinladen 12:09 pm 30 Aug 12

Dog walker good work buddy you deserve a bravery award!!!

Government needs to act on violent criminal offenders immediately. If you commit a violent unprovoked crime minimum sentence 5 years max life! Second offense minimum ten years max life! 3rd offense, minimum life maximum death and be subject to scientific experiments!!! Lol but seriously there is no place for unprovoked violence in modern society it needs to be addressed quickly.

If you enjoy fighting and hurting people join a mixed martial arts gym, if you enjoy committing violent crimes go to gaol for a long time! Tougher penalties may not stop offenders from re-offending however it does keep them off the streets for a longer period of time thus reducing violent crimes.

Thumper 7:20 pm 29 Aug 12

el said :

I don’t understand why all servos don’t have the late-night ‘window’ setup where customers don’t even get to step foot in the shop, and simply slide money through a small tray with the cashier safe behind thick acrylic screening.

Like this one.

Most I’ve seen recently have a large sliding ‘tub’ to get purchased items through from the cashier to the customer, too.

Indeed. It’s really that simple.

Cashier offices have been doing it for tens of years, probably more.

melon1234 6:15 pm 29 Aug 12

Jivrashia said :

Getting killed is always a risk for all parties involved under such circumstance.
Even if the cashier is defenceless.

But I don’t think you’re aware of the effect of capsicum sprays.
It DOES incapacitate, which is why it is actually illegal for a normal civilian to carry around.
The whole point is to give the cashier enough time to run back into an office while the culprit temporarily loses vision and gets disoriented.

The alternative is a taser gun. But its claim to being non-lethal is in question so I didn’t suggest it.

I don’t think you’re completely aware of the effects of capsicum spray.

There’s more reported deaths caused by the deployment of capsicum spray, than there has been from the deployment of TASERs. Without getting into the debate about the accuracy of studies, it’s believed to have caused asphyxiation due to its impact on the respiratory system, and studies have suggested it can cause fatal reactions to those under the influence of cocaine. That said, those under the influence of drugs tend not to react to the symptoms of OC spray anyway, which is why police carry an arsenal of weapons to allow the appropriate response to the situation.

That said, both OC spray and TASERs are classified as ‘less-than-lethal’ weapons, not ‘non-lethal’.

el 5:30 pm 29 Aug 12

I don’t understand why all servos don’t have the late-night ‘window’ setup where customers don’t even get to step foot in the shop, and simply slide money through a small tray with the cashier safe behind thick acrylic screening.

Like this one.

Most I’ve seen recently have a large sliding ‘tub’ to get purchased items through from the cashier to the customer, too.

MERC600 5:02 pm 29 Aug 12

I’m not fan of the current government, but calling it a “Greenie/Labor court system” is pretty ridiculous. Do you understand the difference between the legislature and the judiciary?

Ah MysteryMan .. you must be new to the Territory ..

Jivrashia 4:38 pm 29 Aug 12

johnboy said :

Are you trying to get the cashiers killed?

Because making their only defence something that will annoy and aggravated without incapacitating their attacker seems like a good way to go about it.

Getting killed is always a risk for all parties involved under such circumstance.
Even if the cashier is defenceless.

But I don’t think you’re aware of the effect of capsicum sprays.
It DOES incapacitate, which is why it is actually illegal for a normal civilian to carry around.
The whole point is to give the cashier enough time to run back into an office while the culprit temporarily loses vision and gets disoriented.

The alternative is a taser gun. But its claim to being non-lethal is in question so I didn’t suggest it.

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