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A new ANU presidential election as Fleur Hawes gets the boot

johnboy 7 March 2012 55

Woroni bringsa new wrinkle to the storied saga of the ANU Student Association presidency as Fleur Hawes has had to resign following losing her appeal against academic exclusion, a proceeding she’d neglected to mention to her colleagues.

As per the ANUSA constitution, Vice-President Alice McAvoy is currently acting President whilst Education Officer Tom Barrington-Smith is acting Vice-President. The General Secretary, Tara Mulholland said that nominations would open on Thursday with elections likely to be held on Monday 19th – Wednesday 21st March.

Another promising political career cut short.


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Jethro 12:03 am 10 Mar 12

poetix said :

theaccusedthugsrelativeorfriend said :

Chop71 said :

She would have had more fun drinking beer and failing university.

She knew how to enjoy herself. Used to order a cocktail called a “wet pussy” http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink4979.html

The scene is a casino in say, Monte Carlo, about 1965, with Sean Connery as Bond:

‘Good evening. Name’s Bond, James Bond. And you are Plenty O’Toole, I presume.’
Girl smiles. ‘No, James. Fleur Hawes.’
Bond; ‘We can discuss that later on. Drink?’
Girl: ‘Why not?’
Bond: ‘So that’ll be one vodka martini, shaken, not stirred, and one…?’
Girl: ‘Wet pussy.’
Bond: ‘I just remember I have to meet someone. Enjoy your raspberry liqueur, milk and Irish Cream.’ (Runs from casino with a sardonically raised eyebrow barely concealing a look of panic.)

You are an odd person with strange habits.

I like it.

breakbrake 10:58 pm 09 Mar 12

c_c likes to pry and criticise – whether it’s Woroni (admittedly pretty darn shoddy this year) or ANUSA. He is constantly looking into other people’s ‘failings’.

dundle 5:15 pm 09 Mar 12

Lolwut academic exclusion? It’s pretty difficult to get to that point. I think someone had their priorities wrong…student politicians are hilarious.

c_c said :

Merle said :

c_c said :

Here’s the official ANUSA Timesheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao4D7QDn8Et5dHpxOWNUd0thSUMtTWhlT1B0dUU0S2c#gid=0

It’s well worth checking out because it reveals something scandalous, Ms Hawes did not work any hours between 19th Jan and 7th Feb and had not been working since Feb 25 to the day she resigned on Mar 6, even though her colleagues were all logging hours.

I think people can draw their own conclusions from this.

How accurate is that time sheet? Because there are days Hawes claims to have worked 21 hours, and Dallas Proctor reckons he worked 48 hours straight on 3-4 March.

Not sure and no longer able to check. The first part of the time sheet referred to the total for the week ending on a certain date while the rest was for individual days, so those larger figures were probably for weeks rather than days.

Since revealing the discrepancies last night in the time sheets, ANUSA has quickly locked out access to the timesheet. There’s a saying, “if you’ve got nothing to hide…” – obviously there is something.

What is your interest in all this?

c_c 1:28 pm 09 Mar 12

Merle said :

c_c said :

Not sure and no longer able to check. The first part of the time sheet referred to the total for the week ending on a certain date while the rest was for individual days, so those larger figures were probably for weeks rather than days.

Yes, I understood that. Perhaps Proctor and Hawes (which sounds like a great name for a TV show) didn’t, because those figures were for individual days, which is why I specified 3rd/4th of March.

Whole thing looks dodgy, whether it’s covering up someone who was absent or was just lazy record keeping. Smart thing would have been to release a note explaining the discrepancy, or faking a 404 error for the file even 🙂 Just locking out access is a very obvious admission that something isn’t right and engenders about as much trust as Zed submitting a years worth of time sheets from memory.

Merle 1:19 pm 09 Mar 12

c_c said :

Not sure and no longer able to check. The first part of the time sheet referred to the total for the week ending on a certain date while the rest was for individual days, so those larger figures were probably for weeks rather than days.

Yes, I understood that. Perhaps Proctor and Hawes (which sounds like a great name for a TV show) didn’t, because those figures were for individual days, which is why I specified 3rd/4th of March.

Thoroughly Smashed 1:15 pm 09 Mar 12

c_c said :

There’s a saying, “if you’ve got nothing to hide…” – obviously there is something.

Many sayings are a load of nonsense.

Ian 1:02 pm 09 Mar 12

Merle said :

c_c said :

Here’s the official ANUSA Timesheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao4D7QDn8Et5dHpxOWNUd0thSUMtTWhlT1B0dUU0S2c#gid=0

It’s well worth checking out because it reveals something scandalous, Ms Hawes did not work any hours between 19th Jan and 7th Feb and had not been working since Feb 25 to the day she resigned on Mar 6, even though her colleagues were all logging hours.

I think people can draw their own conclusions from this.

How accurate is that time sheet? Because there are days Hawes claims to have worked 21 hours, and Dallas Proctor reckons he worked 48 hours straight on 3-4 March.

Timesheets don’t prove that someone did any work. They just prove that they filled in a timesheet.

Ian 1:00 pm 09 Mar 12

Ray Polglaze said :

Fleur Hawes says in the Woroni article that “at a lot of Universities, you must be a current student to stand for election; you do not have to be a student during your term, allowing the President to defer their studies whilst they focus on students”.

I think she has a point here. Maybe the problem isn’t with her but with the rules.

It’s perhaps relevant that Camila Vallejo, the Chilean student federation president who in 2011 emerged as one of the most respected figures in Chile and the world (see Time, Newsweek and the UK Guardian), was able to defer her studies to focus on her work as a student advocate.

Perhaps the ANU and the ANUSA need to take a look at their rules.

Perhaps, but while the rules are what they are, she needed to be complying with them rather than ignoring them.

dungfungus 12:59 pm 09 Mar 12

This issue looks like developing into “another” timesheet saga.

Erg0 12:36 pm 09 Mar 12

c_c said :

Since revealing the discrepancies last night in the time sheets, ANUSA has quickly locked out access to the timesheet. There’s a saying, “if you’ve got nothing to hide…” – obviously there is something.

Maybe they just don’t want internet detectives trying to leverage them into a conspiracy theory?

I don’t have anything particularly interesting on my timesheet, but I wouldn’t put it on a public website because it’s nobody else’s damn business.

c_c 12:29 pm 09 Mar 12

Merle said :

c_c said :

Here’s the official ANUSA Timesheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao4D7QDn8Et5dHpxOWNUd0thSUMtTWhlT1B0dUU0S2c#gid=0

It’s well worth checking out because it reveals something scandalous, Ms Hawes did not work any hours between 19th Jan and 7th Feb and had not been working since Feb 25 to the day she resigned on Mar 6, even though her colleagues were all logging hours.

I think people can draw their own conclusions from this.

How accurate is that time sheet? Because there are days Hawes claims to have worked 21 hours, and Dallas Proctor reckons he worked 48 hours straight on 3-4 March.

Not sure and no longer able to check. The first part of the time sheet referred to the total for the week ending on a certain date while the rest was for individual days, so those larger figures were probably for weeks rather than days.

Since revealing the discrepancies last night in the time sheets, ANUSA has quickly locked out access to the timesheet. There’s a saying, “if you’ve got nothing to hide…” – obviously there is something.

Merle 6:55 am 09 Mar 12

c_c said :

Here’s the official ANUSA Timesheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao4D7QDn8Et5dHpxOWNUd0thSUMtTWhlT1B0dUU0S2c#gid=0

It’s well worth checking out because it reveals something scandalous, Ms Hawes did not work any hours between 19th Jan and 7th Feb and had not been working since Feb 25 to the day she resigned on Mar 6, even though her colleagues were all logging hours.

I think people can draw their own conclusions from this.

How accurate is that time sheet? Because there are days Hawes claims to have worked 21 hours, and Dallas Proctor reckons he worked 48 hours straight on 3-4 March.

c_c 10:35 pm 08 Mar 12

NickD said :

c_c said :

It’s well worth checking out because it reveals something scandalous, Ms Hawes did not work any hours between 19th Jan and 7th Feb and had not been working since Feb 25 to the day she resigned on Mar 6, even though her colleagues were all logging hours.

I think people can draw their own conclusions from this.

That she knew that she was probably going to need to resign, though she was holding off on doing so until she knew the final outcome of the appeal?

Not so much that, but JB makes reference in his original post to her colleagues not knowing about her problems until the Monday before she resigned.
If she was taking all this time off, putting extra burden on them, makes you wonder how that could happen? Did they not care or was it a case of too much confidence and being too friendly to ask?

linsanity 8:09 pm 08 Mar 12

Ray Polglaze said :

Fleur Hawes says in the Woroni article that “at a lot of Universities, you must be a current student to stand for election; you do not have to be a student during your term, allowing the President to defer their studies whilst they focus on students”.

I think she has a point here. Maybe the problem isn’t with her but with the rules.

It’s perhaps relevant that Camila Vallejo, the Chilean student federation president who in 2011 emerged as one of the most respected figures in Chile and the world (see Time, Newsweek and the UK Guardian), was able to defer her studies to focus on her work as a student advocate.

Perhaps the ANU and the ANUSA need to take a look at their rules.

Not convinced. University is not a training ground for future politicians. If she wants to be here, she needs to prove herself in the classroom. She is just making excuses for herself. She should be ashamed of herself.

NickD 8:06 pm 08 Mar 12

c_c said :

It’s well worth checking out because it reveals something scandalous, Ms Hawes did not work any hours between 19th Jan and 7th Feb and had not been working since Feb 25 to the day she resigned on Mar 6, even though her colleagues were all logging hours.

I think people can draw their own conclusions from this.

That she knew that she was probably going to need to resign, though she was holding off on doing so until she knew the final outcome of the appeal? I presume that she wasn’t being paid for the hours she wasn’t working.

c_c 6:39 pm 08 Mar 12

Here’s the official ANUSA Timesheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao4D7QDn8Et5dHpxOWNUd0thSUMtTWhlT1B0dUU0S2c#gid=0

It’s well worth checking out because it reveals something scandalous, Ms Hawes did not work any hours between 19th Jan and 7th Feb and had not been working since Feb 25 to the day she resigned on Mar 6, even though her colleagues were all logging hours.

I think people can draw their own conclusions from this.

c_c 4:50 pm 08 Mar 12

p1 said :

Ray Polglaze said :

Perhaps the ANU and the ANUSA need to take a look at their rules.

I think if you can’t enrol in, attend classes for, and pass at least one unit (and I’m not talking about rocket surgery here, just whatever the easiest thing offered that semester is) then you probably shouldn’t be paid to run the student union. Sucks to be her, but I managed to fail the odd unit (let’s not be specific how many) over several years (with deferments, par time enrollments etc) and never actually got kicked out. Allowing complete deferment will only encourage the type of party hacks someone said she isn’t.

I will say that she always had time management issues, even well before entering politics. So frankly it wasn’t a good move for her. And the exclusion was a result of academic failures before she became President so it was a dim move to run frankly if those issues were not resolved yet. This is why I was saying months ago the wrong people run and the wrong people get elected. I think this proves it.

I entirely agree with you, it is perfectly possible to combine the role and still study, it just takes the right person. The last ANUSA President Leah Ginnivan passed her final year of her degree while balancing a very heavy ANUSA workload, as evidence in this document: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=anusa%20president%20time%20sheet&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Funione.anusa.com.au%2FCommon%2FFiler.ashx%3FFID%3D22&ei=y0dYT-nVIMieiQfJ6ayzDQ&usg=AFQjCNEtmD8j_DhZ3iV8hIE-RsgCeD3sHA&sig2=x-P4GboEULQJyHj2r06pNA

So it is doable, just need the right people who know their limits, know their strengths and have the right skills.

schmeah 4:00 pm 08 Mar 12

NoAddedMSG said :

I feel a bit sad for her – she has lost her job (ANUSA president gets paid), her uni career, and quite possibly her housing as well.

I don’t feel sorry for anyone in student politics. They’re self-serving narcissists who all share one goal.

Yours, a reformed student politician.

p1 1:44 pm 08 Mar 12

Ray Polglaze said :

Perhaps the ANU and the ANUSA need to take a look at their rules.

I think if you can’t enrol in, attend classes for, and pass at least one unit (and I’m not talking about rocket surgery here, just whatever the easiest thing offered that semester is) then you probably shouldn’t be paid to run the student union. Sucks to be her, but I managed to fail the odd unit (let’s not be specific how many) over several years (with deferments, par time enrollments etc) and never actually got kicked out. Allowing complete deferment will only encourage the type of party hacks someone said she isn’t.

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