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A new pro-light rail public transport lobby group for Canberra

By Amy McPhillips - 30 December 2016 92

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There’s a new voice in Canberra’s public transport discussions, with pro-light rail lobbyist Damien Haas setting up a new community-based advocacy group for public transport in the ACT.

The Public Transport Association of Canberra, or PTCBR, intends to act as the ACT’s peak body for public transport consultation. It also plans to further the integration of light rail, bus services and active transport in the territory.

RiotACT understands that PTCBR has evolved from the ACT for Light Rail lobby group, which Haas has chaired since 2004.

According to a statement posted by Haas on the ACT for Light Rail Facebook page, PTCBR will focus on broader public transport issues in addition to light rail, with a view to having a “real, tangible impact” on Canberra’s liveability.

“Following on from [ACT for Light Rail’s] success in helping to secure a light rail future in Canberra, a question was raised amongst a few of us on the ACT Light Rail committee about where we should go from here,” he said.

“The consensus reached was that we should continue our advocacy, not just for light rail, but also for overall better public transport in Canberra and our immediate region. To that end, a brand new community based public transport advocacy group has been created with members drawn from ACT Light Rail, and a few new faces.”

He said the group will host regular public forums where organisations, businesses and government departments involved in public transport will be invited to speak.

PTCBR is registered with the ACT Government’s Office of Regulatory Services and will invite applications for membership in the new year.

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dungfungus 10:43 am 20 Jul 17

How about supporting something like this?

http://www.kvue.com/news/local/capital-metro-free-ride-hailing-service/457753287

It is demand driven and while free for the trial period it will be “user pays” when it becomes permanent. The obvious benefit would be that all the empty/single passenger ACTION bus on dedicated runs could be parked forever.

dungfungus 10:17 am 25 May 17

This system on trial in the US would integrate well with the ACTION network where large busses are carrying fewer people on 20 year old routes.

http://kxan.com/2017/05/23/capital-metro-testing-new-free-ride-hailing-app-in-east-northeast-austin/

I would go so far as to say it would even generate more business as the older people who can’t make it to the nearest open-air bus stop would use it.

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Leon Arundell 2:32 pm 23 Mar 17

It appears that, three days after this group was formally launched by Meegan Fitzharris, I have been removed from the group and blocked from being able to see its Facebook page – presumably because I asked for a copy of its constitution and made a post that referred to a Government report on how to get more people using public transport.

Leon Arundell 1:57 pm 23 Mar 17

Has the Public Transport Association of Canberra disbanded?
I can no longer find it on Facebook, and it doesn’t seem to have any other web presence.

dungfungus 11:39 am 30 Jan 17

Maya123 said :

dungfungus said :

Maya123 said :

dungfungus said :

Mr Haas may wish to comment on how the problem of violence on public transport (especially trams) will be handled in Canberra.

The problem is growing in Adelaide, http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/hundreds-banned-as-violence-on-adelaides-public-transport-soars/news-story/a43beeb13a0872148c136240ef6605bd

Another reason for commuters to keep using their cars.

As someone who uses buses, I have never witnessed any of this violence you mention. What violence have you witnessed on buses? Do you ever catch a bus to witness any?

Yes, violence happens on public transport, but then violence happens on the street and…in the home too. I have witnessed car rage though. To paraphrase, another reason for commuters to leave their car at home.

You need to read what I post closer.

I was referring to a current problem IN ADELAIDE and no, I have never witnessed violence on a bus IN ADELAIDE however, I have travelled on busses IN ADELAIDE about 50 years ago.

No doubt it will happen in Canberra too so I would like to know what the new Transport Canberra plan is for the future.

And, for the record violence does happen on Action busses here in Canberra:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-call-for-witnesses-after-action-bus-driver-assaulted-in-fyshwick-20160707-gq0nur.html

Suggest you check out Google for more examples.

Yes, but does violence happen more in buses, or in Civic for example? To put this into perspective, is being on a bus more dangerous than walking through Civic?

Depends whether you want to be king hit or spewed on I suppose.

Maya123 10:15 am 30 Jan 17

dungfungus said :

Maya123 said :

dungfungus said :

Mr Haas may wish to comment on how the problem of violence on public transport (especially trams) will be handled in Canberra.

The problem is growing in Adelaide, http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/hundreds-banned-as-violence-on-adelaides-public-transport-soars/news-story/a43beeb13a0872148c136240ef6605bd

Another reason for commuters to keep using their cars.

As someone who uses buses, I have never witnessed any of this violence you mention. What violence have you witnessed on buses? Do you ever catch a bus to witness any?

Yes, violence happens on public transport, but then violence happens on the street and…in the home too. I have witnessed car rage though. To paraphrase, another reason for commuters to leave their car at home.

You need to read what I post closer.

I was referring to a current problem IN ADELAIDE and no, I have never witnessed violence on a bus IN ADELAIDE however, I have travelled on busses IN ADELAIDE about 50 years ago.

No doubt it will happen in Canberra too so I would like to know what the new Transport Canberra plan is for the future.

And, for the record violence does happen on Action busses here in Canberra:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-call-for-witnesses-after-action-bus-driver-assaulted-in-fyshwick-20160707-gq0nur.html

Suggest you check out Google for more examples.

Yes, but does violence happen more in buses, or in Civic for example? To put this into perspective, is being on a bus more dangerous than walking through Civic?

bj_ACT 9:53 am 30 Jan 17

wildturkeycanoe said :

dungfungus said :

“… one group who are going to suffer negatively…”
I thought you were going to nominate the unemployed bus and tram drivers.

You might be right, they will become the new homeless and unemployed!

My brother in law built accomodation for his grandkids out of a disused train carriage, so I think you might be only half right on homeless and unemployed.

wildturkeycanoe 5:01 pm 29 Jan 17

dungfungus said :

“… one group who are going to suffer negatively…”
I thought you were going to nominate the unemployed bus and tram drivers.

You might be right, they will become the new homeless and unemployed!

dungfungus 1:20 pm 29 Jan 17

wildturkeycanoe said :

Once autonomous cars have eliminated the need for both buses and trams as the preferred mode of transport, there is one group who are going to suffer negatively, the homeless and beggars. Instead of asking “Spare some change for the bus?” they will be asking “Can you please pay for my Uber ride?”. It will become incumbent on the charitable passer-by to pay for the entire journey and probably to book the vehicle with their app, in order to protect their credit card details. Something that will make them reconsider this generous gesture, is the risk of the recipient damaging the vehicle and then the good Samaritan has to cop the repair bill. Of course in the future you won’t be able to hire a driverless car unless you have a credit card with a balance large enough to meet the minimum amount required to activate an account. This will ensure the cars won’t be trashed or left in an unusable state. Unless a network of affordable public transport remains to service the poor and needy, there will be a new class of poverty to add to the homeless and unemployed – the “walking poor”.

“… one group who are going to suffer negatively…”

I thought you were going to nominate the unemployed bus and tram drivers.

wildturkeycanoe 6:47 pm 28 Jan 17

Once autonomous cars have eliminated the need for both buses and trams as the preferred mode of transport, there is one group who are going to suffer negatively, the homeless and beggars. Instead of asking “Spare some change for the bus?” they will be asking “Can you please pay for my Uber ride?”. It will become incumbent on the charitable passer-by to pay for the entire journey and probably to book the vehicle with their app, in order to protect their credit card details. Something that will make them reconsider this generous gesture, is the risk of the recipient damaging the vehicle and then the good Samaritan has to cop the repair bill. Of course in the future you won’t be able to hire a driverless car unless you have a credit card with a balance large enough to meet the minimum amount required to activate an account. This will ensure the cars won’t be trashed or left in an unusable state. Unless a network of affordable public transport remains to service the poor and needy, there will be a new class of poverty to add to the homeless and unemployed – the “walking poor”.

dungfungus 2:23 pm 28 Jan 17

Maya123 said :

dungfungus said :

Mr Haas may wish to comment on how the problem of violence on public transport (especially trams) will be handled in Canberra.

The problem is growing in Adelaide, http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/hundreds-banned-as-violence-on-adelaides-public-transport-soars/news-story/a43beeb13a0872148c136240ef6605bd

Another reason for commuters to keep using their cars.

As someone who uses buses, I have never witnessed any of this violence you mention. What violence have you witnessed on buses? Do you ever catch a bus to witness any?

Yes, violence happens on public transport, but then violence happens on the street and…in the home too. I have witnessed car rage though. To paraphrase, another reason for commuters to leave their car at home.

You need to read what I post closer.

I was referring to a current problem IN ADELAIDE and no, I have never witnessed violence on a bus IN ADELAIDE however, I have travelled on busses IN ADELAIDE about 50 years ago.

No doubt it will happen in Canberra too so I would like to know what the new Transport Canberra plan is for the future.

And, for the record violence does happen on Action busses here in Canberra:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-call-for-witnesses-after-action-bus-driver-assaulted-in-fyshwick-20160707-gq0nur.html

Suggest you check out Google for more examples.

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