A ring road for Canberra?

johnboy 19 March 2012 41

transport plan launch with simon corbell and katy gallagher

Chief Minister Gallagher has announced the release of the Transport for Canberra Strategy.

The key features of the Transport for Canberra Strategy include:

    — 15 minute frequency public transport on the Frequent Network;
    — 30 minute frequency public transport services within a 5-10 minute walk of everyone by 2021;
    — public transport infrastructure: transitways, stations, park and ride and mass transit options like light rail or rapid bus transit;
    — cycling and walking supported by a more compact city through integration of transport and land use planning;
    — increasing public transport, walking and cycling to 23% of work trips by 2016; and,
    — ring roads for traffic that integrate with central road corridors for public transport.

UPDATE 19/03/12 13:19: We’ve now got a copy of the full strategy online.

UPDATE 19/03/12 13:28: The Greens have expressed joy that their 30 minute bus guarantee has made the strategic cut, but disappointment previous strategies have come and gone with little change.

UPDATE 19/03/12 17:18: The Heart Foundation have expressed their enthusiasm for what they see as a document to get people driving less and exercising more.

[Photo courtesy of Simon Corbell’s office]

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caf caf 1:31 pm 04 Apr 12

If we get a ring road, can we call it the Capital Beltway?

nsn nsn 10:47 am 21 Mar 12

According to some, Canberra has had a ring road for at least six years:

http://the-riotact.com/canberra-has-a-ring-road-who-knew/2098

p1 p1 2:49 pm 20 Mar 12

astrojax said :

…when’s this election?

That is the whole problem. Any promise by a politician to do something more then one election away isn’t worth the… I can’t even think of a sufficiently worthless metaphor.

astrojax astrojax 1:36 pm 20 Mar 12

Simon_Corbell said :

steveu said :

I hope they dont expect us to believe that the two in the picture regularly use our public transport system…

Just responding to one of the comments on this thread about my use of public transport. In fact I am a regular passenger on the ACTION Bus network and regularly catch a bus from my home to the Legislative Assembly.

This year I have made 58 bus journeys to and from work. I find it a convenient service and travelling by bus is valuable in understanding some of the issues that need to be addressed in public transport policy and service delivery. I know that the Chief Minister, Katy Gallagher, is also a regular user of public transport.

I encourage everyone to have a look at the Transport for Canberra Strategy and welcome any feedback.

good-o, i had to get a bus into civic on some saturday mornings a short while ago for 8.30 appointments, from dickson along northbourne ave, the major arterial route into our glorious city. luckily it wasn’t for an 8am meeting as the first bus along that way for the day [!] was at 7.55… pity the poor cafe owners trying to find staff who can get in for an early start, huh?

this sort of ‘planning’ can’t come soon enough but it beggars belief it will take another decade to implement it. it was in 1961 kennedy said we should go to the moon because it was hard, and they were there in just over eight years. why does it take longer to get a few extra buses across extended times to service a nation’s capital city?? when’s this election?

bd84 bd84 11:12 am 20 Mar 12

Another year, another plan. What’s the point of issuing a 20 year plan every year? The vast majority of its contents are the same as last year’s, and only a few things that are included actually eventuate.

Sure you can plan to have high frequency bus routes and 7 day timetables? But has anyone actually looked at the practicality of its implementation? We currently have a bus service with hundreds of routes trying to cover every possible road through each suburb, with stops every 100m and they wonder why people don’t catch the bus.. It’s great office you want to service the lazy people and take 90 minutes doing it when it’s normally a 15-20 minute trip.

We can have a ring road, but they can’t even get the existing roads right where there’s roads that have been needing duplication for 10 years still waiting, new suburbs where the roads are already overloaded due to poor planning and lack of foresight and god forbid that they ever learn to synchronise traffic lights to let the traffic flow reasonably. Add in the next to no bus services in new suburbs or from Queanbeyan.

It’s obvious that these plans will remain in a nice shiny booklet reproduced each year by the current government. Old and stale government.. Bring on the election.

Mothy Mothy 11:01 am 20 Mar 12

RedDogInCan said :

The foundations of a ring road are already present. If you just connect the bottom of Drakeford Drive to the Monaro Highway, and then built the Majura Parkway and connected it through to Gungahlin Drive, you would have a ring road.

That Majura Parkway to Gungahlin Drive connection – would you put it through Kenny or along Horse Park Drive past Harrison, Gungahlin, Amaroo, Moncreif, Ngunnawal?

goggles13 said :

even better a ring road around Canberra does exist:

Monaro Highway – Majura Road – Horsepark Drive – Gundaroo Drive – William Slim Drive – Ginnanderra Drive – Kingsford Smith Drive – William Hovell Drive – Coppins Crossing Road – Uriarra Road – Brindabella Road – Paddys River Road – Tidbinbilla Road – North Street – Naas Road – Tharwa Drive – Monaro Highway

See where you had to turn left off Horse Park, onto Gundaroo Drive – William Slim Drive – Ginnanderra Drive to get to Kingsford Smith?

There’s a hint where there’s a hole in your ring road. Finish Horse Park Drive.

NOW.

diced_mango diced_mango 1:03 am 20 Mar 12

As a frequent bus user, and ACT tax payer, I have decidedly mixed feelings about the bus frequency guarantee. The following are my very subjective experiences.

The #52 buses run to/from Civic in the morning and evening “peak hour”. ACTION has determined that the evening “peak” times are 3:45, 4:00, 4:18, 4:40, 4:59, 5:15, 5:40, 6:00. In the evenings, after 6pm, the #52 runs once an hour, and only between Gungahlin Belconnen.

Am I alone in thinking that, rightly or wrongly, there are many office workers, among others, working to 6pm in the city (or 5:45 from city west or perhaps earlier from parts of ANU)? The ‘penalty’ for missing the 6pm bus by a minute is a delay in getting home of an hour.

Let’s say you leave the city at 6:03pm, on a #200. You will get to the Gungahlin Town Centre by about 6:26. You will then wait until 7:08 to catch the #52 to take you home. This effectively turns a 35 minute trip into an 75 minute trip. If you drive, it’s maybe 20 minutes, so as you can imagine, the custom of these buses is only those people who have no other option.

I am fully supportive, then, of extending the ‘peak hour’ further into the evening for later workers. But later on, evening buses present a different story. The last 2 or 3 in either direction (~9pm onwards) generally have between 0-1 passengers on them (my observations; I would like to see MyWay data). Is doubling the frequency at that time really worth the expense? I don’t think so.

Also, what would really have been nice when I was a carless student is the ability to get a bus after 7pm on a Sunday night. If a 7-day timetable is implemented, this will be a positive access-wise, but again, prohibitively expensive to run the services (plus higher wages) for the few who will use it. I thought 5 years ago that having no Sunday night buses was crazy and stupid. I still think it’s annoying, but I understand the economics behind it.

Empty buses are always going to happen, and I would not advocate a reduction in late night services. But the money spent putting on more empty buses could be put into disability, education, health etc.

peterh peterh 12:47 am 20 Mar 12

Martlark said :

A ring road? Who needs to drive around Canberra?

People who don’t want to come in to canberra, as their relatives live in tuggeranong?

Ian Ian 11:39 pm 19 Mar 12

So, somehow its supposed to be a triumph that by 2021 the buses will be back to about what they were in about 2000? And no doubt at about 3 times the cost.

dtc dtc 10:10 pm 19 Mar 12

Simon
You need to meet that guy who keeps a spreadsheet of fuel prices and the efficiency of his car(see one of the previous threads http://the-riotact.com/forget-petrol-prices-for-a-minute-what-about-gas/67196). I’m sure you would have lots of fun things to talk about, like how enjoyable it is to pay great, um, attention to detail.

Martlark Martlark 10:01 pm 19 Mar 12

A ring road? Who needs to drive around Canberra?

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 9:48 pm 19 Mar 12

If you people think the buses suck, try being a shift worker. I guarantee this will NEVER happen at the time and location I finish work:

“30 minute frequency public transport services within a 5-10 minute walk of everyone by 2021”

JC JC 9:44 pm 19 Mar 12

Wow 30 minute service by 2021. I seem to recall when I was much younger and going to school (back in the 80’s) that more or less every suburban route had 30 minute frequencies. Half were timed to leave the interchange at (I think) 03 and 33 past the hour and the other half at 18 and 48 past the hour. I was lucky in that I lived within easy walking distance of the MacGregor terminus so could get either a 455 or a 454, so in reality had a bus every 15 minutes.

Now days the same area is subjected to a stupid one way loop service every 40 minutes which takes about 1.5 times as long to get to Belconnen. And they wonder why people don’t use buses all that much.

caf caf 9:14 pm 19 Mar 12

EvanJames said :

And yeah, putting traffic lights on incoming major roads like the Monaro, I’ll see you and raise the Harman lights on Canberra Avenue, or worse, the Fairbairn Base lights on Pialligo, which have the traffic every morning backed up to the Red Rooster in Queanbeyan.

The Glenora Drive / Pialligo Avenue lights were absolutely necessary – without them it was impossible to turn out of Glenora Drive at certain times of day, and with people taking chancy right turns out of there coupled with drivers hooning down the hill from Queanbeyan it was downright dangerous.

Namloot Namloot 8:59 pm 19 Mar 12

PM said :

Simon_Corbell said :

steveu said :

I hope they dont expect us to believe that the two in the picture regularly use our public transport system…

Just responding to one of the comments on this thread about my use of public transport. In fact I am a regular passenger on the ACTION Bus network and regularly catch a bus from my home to the Legislative Assembly.

This year I have made 58 bus journeys to and from work. I find it a convenient service and travelling by bus is valuable in understanding some of the issues that need to be addressed in public transport policy and service delivery. I know that the Chief Minister, Katy Gallagher, is also a regular user of public transport.

I encourage everyone to have a look at the Transport for Canberra Strategy and welcome any feedback.

AND responding to threads, including the number of times he caught a bus! Most definitely an election year 🙂

I hear that Tuggeranong is being mothballed.

goggles13 goggles13 8:32 pm 19 Mar 12

RedDogInCan said :

The foundations of a ring road are already present. If you just connect the bottom of Drakeford Drive to the Monaro Highway, and then built the Majura Parkway and connected it through to Gungahlin Drive, you would have a ring road.

even better a ring road around Canberra does exist:

Monaro Highway – Majura Road – Horsepark Drive – Gundaroo Drive – William Slim Drive – Ginnanderra Drive – Kingsford Smith Drive – William Hovell Drive – Coppins Crossing Road – Uriarra Road – Brindabella Road – Paddys River Road – Tidbinbilla Road – North Street – Naas Road – Tharwa Drive – Monaro Highway

Hosinator Hosinator 8:30 pm 19 Mar 12

Wow, this hasn’t become a car vs cyclist bashing thread…yet.

Page 48 of the Strategy is quite telling: “Motor vehicle parking provision rates will be reduced in areas of higher density where other transport options (public transport, walking and cycling) are available.

and

“Pricing of government provided motor vehicle parking will, over time, increase to a level that encourages private sector investment in parking facilities.”

The result may be, that ACTION buses becomes a viable business with a profit in its future and potentially light rail becomes a viable option due to the increased number in commuters.

Bramina Bramina 8:29 pm 19 Mar 12

dtc said :

Keijidosha said :

The plans for the Barry Drive to Civic section of the Belconnen to City Transitway project shows the new ANU exchange station and road/intersection changes.

Yay, a new set of traffic lights on Barry Drive

I think it will be two new sets. One on the end of Clunies Ross and the other on Marcus Clarke.

I’m sure the loss of traffic flow from those two lights will largely offset any increase arising from improved public transport.

OpenYourMind OpenYourMind 8:25 pm 19 Mar 12

Yay! A ring road. After all, the M25 (aka The World’s Biggest Parking Lot) worked out so well in London.

goggles13 goggles13 8:18 pm 19 Mar 12

PM said :

steveu said :

I hope they dont expect us to believe that the two in the picture regularly use our public transport system…

I’ve not previously seen them in Belconnen, either… Must be an election year!

We got a flyer in the mail this afternoon from Joy Burch proudly announcing stage 1 of the duplication of Ashley Drive. Gonna cost $7 million and consists of the following:
– traffic lights at the corner of Ashley Drive and Bugden Ave and Ashley Drive and Sternberg Cres
– traffic lights at the intersection of Sternberg Cres and Bugden Ave
– duplication of Sternberg Cres between Ashley Drive and Erindale Drive.

no timeframes quoted for completion and no link to further information on Stages 2 and 3.

only 7 months until the election……….

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