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A rooting room for Bimberi? [With poll]

By johnboy 18 July 2012 39

The ABC has the intriguing suggestion that putting a “safe place for detainees to have sex” into the Bimberi Youth Justice Centre might help the little darlings cut down the rampant spread of the clap.

“There’s no facility for conjugal visits, in fact there’s no thought of offering that facility,” he said.

“Yet we’re placing people in our care, we do know they are sexually active and we don’t acknowledge it.

“We don’t have the capacity to introduce them into functional safe sexual relationships, and that has health risks.”

Apparently we’d be the first in the world to offer conjugal rights to young people.

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UPDATE 18/07/12 17:29: This statement in from Joy Burch’s office:

The ACT Government is not considering allowing conjugal visits for young people in the Bimberi Youth Justice Centre.

This was not something raised by the Human Rights Commission in its comprehensive review of Bimberi’s operations last year, nor has it been been formally raised with Government by other stakeholders in youth justice.

There is no youth justice facility in Australia that allows conjugal visits, and at this stage this is not something the ACT Government will consider.

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dungfungus 6:45 pm 24 Jul 12

I spotted a letter to the editor in the Canberra Times today supporting Dr Levy.
It was authored by a Jon Stanhope from Bruce.
Anyone heard of him?

LSWCHP 9:17 pm 19 Jul 12

Tetranitrate said :

HenryBG said :

dundle said :

I’m torn on the idea of conjugal visits in general, on one hand I think part of the punishment should be no sex (well, none with outsiders), on the other hand, that will just make them angry which is bad for other inmates and bad for everyone when they get out.

Yeah, that was kind of Mr Chamberlain’s approach in 1938. He was keen on not making Mr Hitler angry so he allowed Germany to conjugate with Czechoslovakia. That turned out well.

I take exception to the notion that it was inappropriate for the Sudetenland to be united with Germany.
Had the versailles settlement actually been consistent when it came to the principle of self determination, ala Woodrow Wilsons Fourteen Points, all of German Austria including the Sudetenland would not doubt voted to join a united German Republic in 1919 – the people there did not want to be part of a Slavic nation state and should never have been forced to be part of one in the first place.

Chamberlain was simply too late – Britain and France were harsh on the German Liberals and Social Democrats in the 1920s, only to give concession after concession in the 30s once they’d already helped discredit every non-nutcase politician in Germany.

I’ll be damned. From a fornicatorium at Bimberi to post WW1 geopolitics in only 35 posts. This *must* be some kind of a record.

Valleyboy 7:38 pm 19 Jul 12

SnapperJack said :

Brought to you by the same people who tried to supply free (taxpayer funded) heroin in the late 1990s. Is it any wonder the feds won’t let us off the lead and remove their power of veto?

The push for a “heroin trial” was coming from the Liberal Party government of Kate Carnell, the natural two-party-preferred party of choice for those averse to loony bleeding-heart causes.

Tetranitrate 7:08 pm 19 Jul 12

HenryBG said :

dundle said :

I’m torn on the idea of conjugal visits in general, on one hand I think part of the punishment should be no sex (well, none with outsiders), on the other hand, that will just make them angry which is bad for other inmates and bad for everyone when they get out.

Yeah, that was kind of Mr Chamberlain’s approach in 1938. He was keen on not making Mr Hitler angry so he allowed Germany to conjugate with Czechoslovakia. That turned out well.

I take exception to the notion that it was inappropriate for the Sudetenland to be united with Germany.
Had the versailles settlement actually been consistent when it came to the principle of self determination, ala Woodrow Wilsons Fourteen Points, all of German Austria including the Sudetenland would not doubt voted to join a united German Republic in 1919 – the people there did not want to be part of a Slavic nation state and should never have been forced to be part of one in the first place.

Chamberlain was simply too late – Britain and France were harsh on the German Liberals and Social Democrats in the 1920s, only to give concession after concession in the 30s once they’d already helped discredit every non-nutcase politician in Germany.

Mrs_Potato_Head 6:45 pm 19 Jul 12

Proboscus said :

WTF is wrong with this town??? Just when you think you’ve heard all the crackpot ideas – another f***wit puts his hand up and says “Hey look at me”.

ACT Health or the AMA should shut this f***ing tool Levy up. Or better still – sack him. Why can’t people like the police or the guards at Bimberi and the AMC just be left alone to do their jobs without having retards with agendas keep making their jobs harder and more dangerous?

+1 and I love your enthusiasm 🙂

HenryBG 5:32 pm 19 Jul 12

dundle said :

I’m torn on the idea of conjugal visits in general, on one hand I think part of the punishment should be no sex (well, none with outsiders), on the other hand, that will just make them angry which is bad for other inmates and bad for everyone when they get out.

Yeah, that was kind of Mr Chamberlain’s approach in 1938. He was keen on not making Mr Hitler angry so he allowed Germany to conjugate with Czechoslovakia. That turned out well.

ToastFliesRED 4:55 pm 19 Jul 12

PBO said :

“Hmm, I am now in jail, my bum is bleeding severely and I have a slight case of rectal peritonitis, maybe i shouldnt have done all that meth, stolen that car and hit a pensioner.”

mmmm your “partner” of choice or lack thereof must have been particularly well endowed if you have peritonitis, maybe throw him my way? but maybe not, i prefer more moderateley sized gentlemen anyway xox

dundle 12:43 pm 19 Jul 12

wildturkeycanoe said :

Giving them a room to do it in does nothing to stop the spread of anything. Unless someone is forcing them to use contraception and visually certifying that it is being used, how do we know if it is effective?

That, except I’d say condoms not contraceptives.

I’m in favour of clean needles (even though I don’t think they should be using drugs) and other measures to cut down disease but I don’t see how this would help. If they have sex anyway then give them condoms not a room. They have to use them and some just won’t, regardless of where they are. Also it’s possible a lot of disease is being spread by prison rape and sadly I don’t think this would stop that either.

I’m torn on the idea of conjugal visits in general, on one hand I think part of the punishment should be no sex (well, none with outsiders), on the other hand, that will just make them angry which is bad for other inmates and bad for everyone when they get out. But there are a whole host of ethical issues if you provide these for youths even those over 16.

Anyway good to know it’s not really on the cards.

PBO 11:58 am 19 Jul 12

I think that it is worrying that Dr Levy is thinking about youths having sex, regardless of their living situation. It’s a prison, a place of punishment. If ppl are having sex there then it is obviously punishment for at least one of the participants:

“Hmm, I am now in jail, my bum is bleeding severely and I have a slight case of rectal peritonitis, maybe i shouldnt have done all that meth, stolen that car and hit a pensioner.”

I say they should carry on saving their mars bars wrappers and continue to biting down on that pillow because they are there as a result of their own actions.

miz 7:54 am 19 Jul 12

Surely the raison d’etre of Bimberi is to teach young people cognitive skills, including self-control (so they stop focusing on themselves all the time which leads to rationalising/justifying criminal behaviour)? This proposal would seem to be the complete antithesis of that.

Mr Gillespie said :

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

There is no way in the world I would ever be in favour of such a ridiculous reward for these criminals.

They are JAILS, not holiday camps.

Canberra would be the laughing stock of the world. This guinea pig mentality has to STOP.

You’re just jealous.

wildturkeycanoe 5:54 am 19 Jul 12

Giving them a room to do it in does nothing to stop the spread of anything. Unless someone is forcing them to use contraception and visually certifying that it is being used, how do we know if it is effective?
Why should we be “introducing them into functional safe sexual relationships” anyway, they are in there for a reason – it’s called rehabilitation, not sexual stimulation.
This quack Dr. Levy is a twit and should have his qualifications taken away for such a suggestion. Gawd, what’s next, taxpayer funded trips to Fyshwick for professional coaching on how to do it safely?
If I was a troubled teen and placed in a centre like that, I would expect the isolation, lack of freedoms and privacy to be the things that steer me straight. But civil libertarians are changing it to the point where incarceration is a better lifestyle than being out on the streets. No wonder society is going down the drain.

Mr Gillespie 2:23 am 19 Jul 12

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

There is no way in the world I would ever be in favour of such a ridiculous reward for these criminals.

They are JAILS, not holiday camps.

Canberra would be the laughing stock of the world. This guinea pig mentality has to STOP.

justin heywood 10:39 pm 18 Jul 12

dungfungus said :

The Greens appear to have been totally outflanked by this latest batsh&t crazy idea….
Time to call in a consultant. Is Craig Thomson available? He can arrange the funding as well.

Lol. Well played.

aussielyn 9:39 pm 18 Jul 12

The good doctor from Bimberi must have too much time on his hands to be taken seriously.
Maybe he should be reporting on STDs relating to sodomy.
“He says it is time to consider introducing a safe place for detainees to have sex.”
The Human Rights Commissioner must be busy writing policy recommendations to the relevant minister. Relevance is important for any bureaucracy to grow.

I-filed 8:07 pm 18 Jul 12

What a shame ex-sex-worker and sex industry advocate Fiona Patten is down in Melbourne pretending to be a Melbournian in this Saturday’s by-election. Otherwise no doubt she would be lobbying for paid sex services for these juvenile detainees.

Proboscus 7:41 pm 18 Jul 12

SnapperJack said :

Brought to you by the same people who tried to supply free (taxpayer funded) heroin in the late 1990s. Is it any wonder the feds won’t let us off the lead and remove their power of veto?

+1

VYBerlinaV8_is_back 7:31 pm 18 Jul 12

So do you have to book to get a spot in this room?

Proboscus 7:22 pm 18 Jul 12

WTF is wrong with this town??? Just when you think you’ve heard all the crackpot ideas – another f***wit puts his hand up and says “Hey look at me”.

ACT Health or the AMA should shut this f***ing tool Levy up. Or better still – sack him. Why can’t people like the police or the guards at Bimberi and the AMC just be left alone to do their jobs without having retards with agendas keep making their jobs harder and more dangerous?

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