18 October 2024

ACT election candidates who would scrap Woden light rail revealed

| Oliver Jacques
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Light rail vehicle parked at Alinga Street station

Plans to extend light rail to Woden has divided candidates. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

An advocacy group that promotes public transport has revealed the names of six ACT election candidates who would vote to terminate an extension of light rail to Woden.

The ACT Government has promised to extend the light rail network from Commonwealth Park to Woden. It aims to complete the project by 2033.

The Public Transport Association of Canberra (PTCBR) also wants to see this project come to fruition and sent out a survey to all 149 candidates running in this Saturday’s election.

PTCBR asked the candidates: “In a hypothetical vote in the ACT Legislative Assembly, how would you vote on a motion to immediately and permanently stop all work on Light Rail Stage 2B (Commonwealth Park to Woden)?”

Twenty-six candidates responded to the request, of which six said they would vote to cease work on the project – Canberra Liberals Mark Parton and Amardeep Singh, independents Rima Riab and Janine Haskins, the Belco Party’s Bill Stefaniak and Animal Justice Party candidate Robyn Soxsmith.

The Canberra Liberals’ official party position is to scrap the Woden light rail project, which it says will cost more than $5 billion. Leader Elizabeth Lee has argued more bus lanes and rapid routes will be better measures to improve transport to the southside.

The remaining 20 survey respondents said they would vote to continue the Woden light rail project. This included a host of ACT Greens and Independents for Canberra candidates and two Animal Justice Party candidates. ACT Transport Minister Chris Steel also indicated Labor’s support.

PTCBR chair Ryan Hemsley said those who did not respond to the survey included candidates from Family First and the Fiona Carrick independents.

He said it was important candidates were upfront about their views on Canberra’s biggest ever infrastructure project.

“Canberra voters have every right to expect candidates standing for election to be transparent about their views on issues such as light rail,” Mr Hemsley said.

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He said despite multiple attempts through a variety of channels, PTCBR was unable to secure responses from various high-profile candidates.

“We reached out several times to the Fiona Carrick independents through a variety of means and did not get a response from any of their candidates.

“This survey provided an opportunity to get her views on the record and it’s disappointing they didn’t take up this opportunity.”

Ms Carrick told Region she did not answer the survey because it was impossible to give a simple yes or no answer to such a question without having all the information.

“I just want to see really good public transport, I’m mode agnostic, I want to see the underpinning analysis that says where light rail is appropriate and where dedicated bus lanes are appropriate for commuter services,” she said.

“At the moment, it’s just so piecemeal. There is no underpinning analysis about what the best public transport is for Tuggeranong, Weston Creek or Molonglo.

“Nobody has been able to tell me what services people will get or how reliable they’ll be. We can’t just say yes or no until we know the answers to these questions.”

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The PTCBR survey also asked candidates how often they used public transport in Canberra.

The results revealed most respondents were not frequent users of public transport, but many would be more likely to catch public transport if services were more frequent.

Full results of the survey can be found on the PTCBR website.

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That’s a list of who not to vote for. Like many looking forward to the light rail extending.

Definitely a list of people I would vote for on economic grounds. You must like the increase in rates, taxes and charges to pay for it at a time of cost of living pressures.

The Public Transport Association of Canberra is not supportive of buses, just the tram, so is misnamed.

We had a better bus service, more frequent (including nights and weekends) before the tram. I used to be able to go to a movie and dinner in town and come home safely by bus. That’s no longer possible as my bus route was cancelled. It used to run to midnight, but now doesn’t run at all. The tram won’t help as it’ll be nowhere near the home I bought on the bus route and long walks at night are just not safe.

The Labor government has shown no consideration of the needs to those who are not just like them. They’re not at all inclusive. Hopefully our next government will think more broadly about all Canberrans, rather than just their mates.

The tram is a mechanism to prop up the unions. If you’re not part of the cfmeu you are prohibited to work on the project and as a result it becomes the most expensive tram line in the world. And the taxpayers foot the bill whilst the unions run off with trucks full of your hard earned. Of course there are others who have a vested interest who stand to make a lot of money out of this fraud.

The tram is a very expensive way to make public transport slower for everyone who doesn’t live AND work on the tram line – that is, almost all Canberrans. The tram takes the worst feature of the buses, slow connections through interchanges, and mandates it for everyone who lives in the suburbs. It’s simply a dud solution.

Light rail was never about moving people…but rather increasing the perceived land-use value improvement

Stephen Saunders2:41 pm 18 Oct 24

Complete cop out by Carrick. She is a no, but terrified to say so in public. Just lost my vote.

wait for all the info!? we already have an actual tram that tells us how it succeeds – add Woden and it will have a multiplier effect

I say we should also consider bringing back the Cobb &Co horse drawn carriages to service the South Side. At least the horses will provide fertilizer.

It is disappointing that this article has been published this late in the electoral cycle after pre-poll commenced and the day before the election. Fiona Carrick has always evaded questions about the light rail and refused to commit her support to the project!

Ms Carrick’s running mates Marea Fatseas and Bruce Paine are vehemently opposed to light rail and ran as independents in the 2020 election with Nimby and anti-development agendas!

Very disappointing that neither Fiona Carrick nor her two running mates, Bruce Paine and Maria Fatseas, bothered to respond to the survey on public transport. Other independents and minor parties, for example Anne-Louise Dawes (Independents for Canberra) and Gwenda Griffiths (Animal Justice Party) managed to provide comprehensive responses, so there is no reason that none of the Fiona Carrick’s independents could be bothered. It can only reflect poorly on their general attitudes towards public transport. A quick glance at Fiona’s website shows platitudes such as “I am focused on great public transport now” (Yeah! aren’t we all) and “We should have the right infrastructure in the right place at the right time to meet the needs of all Canberrans.” Pretty unimpressive stuff.

I dare say candidates might have felt more open to answering the questions if…… the PTCBR were a little less biased on their website, a little more open to providing accurate information about how Stage 1 is being used by passengers and paid for by taxpayers, provided accurate information on the costs of 2A and didn’t have such a leading survey question as “ In a hypothetical vote in the ACT Legislative Assembly, how would you vote on a motion to immediately and permanently stop all work on Light Rail Stage 2B (Commonwealth Park to Woden)?”.

It’s not biased for a public transport lobby group to put their views on public transport on their website. They are transparent about being a lobby group. That’s what a lobby group does. As to the questions on the survey, most of the parties, major and minor, responded and enough independents responded to get an idea of what their views on public transport are. As to the specific question on light rail, considering that the other major party in this election, the Liberal Party, have said they will do just that (stop all work on Stage B) then of course it is a relevant question to ask other candidates if they would support or oppose such a vote. If they are undecided at this stage, then they can just say so (and some respondents did and also explained why). However, to not respond at all (particularly as Stage 2B is being proposed to be constructed in the Murrumbidgee electorate and the Fiona Carrick independents are running only in Murrumbidgee) is not transparent and sends a message to prospective voters that they’re not interested.

It’s not remotely disappointing, you are asking people to commit to a blank cheque with little to information.

Particularly when the people asking the questions are literally lobbyists for the Light Rail and have no interest in a discussion about the merits of the project and its impact on overall public transport outcomes in the ACT.

Hmmm no, not really. Other candidates managed to respond with qualified opinions on light rail state 2B so the survey allowed for that. Besides, other questions in the survey related to the bus network. Public Transport Association Canberra 5-point plan to improve public transport in Canberra (published on their website) only has one point relating specifically to light rail. It’s ironic that Fiona Carrick is big on transparency for the current government but hasn’t been transparent in her own campaign. Not a good look.

Hmmm, yes completely.

Carrick has a detailed position on her website about her exact position on Light Rail, which is dependent on the actual facts and evidence.

Yet you want her to definitively comment on a project that has almost no detail, from questions asked by a Light Rail lobby group who has no interest in an evidence based position.

You’re right, the fake public transport group is not a good look.

That’s not a fair or good survey question from a lobbyist group, I can’t see how any fair person can think otherwise.

Here’s a still ‘positively slanted’ question example.

If the business case for the light rail extension to Woden demonstrates a positive return on investment, would you support continuing the project or prefer to cease it?

Not sure where your “fake public transport” idea comes from (sounds a bit Trumpian, anything that you don’t like is “fake”.) Any evidence on “fake”? if Carrick had a detailed position on light rail stage 2B, other than the platitudes, then she would have referred to this in her response to the survey (as the Liberal party representative did. But no, just sound of crickets from the “Fiona Carrick Independents’. Quite clearly they’re being duplicitous with an eye to potential loss of votes if they admit they’re against it.

Astro,
Not sure how you think Trump is remotely relevant. The public transport lobby gave simply changed their name from ACT Light Rail, they aren’t a general public transport lobby when they still promote light rail at all costs despite all the evidence showing it isn’t viable.

And no, Carrick does not have to pander to a biased lobby group, when your response shows exactly the kind of misleading tripe she’s up against.

Looks like she’s been voted in though at the moment, the people of Murrumbidgee seem to agree with her.

That’s ok Chewy14, I can explain if you’re uncertain. The comment referred to the terminology of using the adjective “fake” on anything you don’t personally agree with. (popularised by Trump). You’ve provided no evidence to support your claim that the Public Transport Canberra association is not a public transport lobby. i suggest you read their website with the 5-point plan, 4 points of which aren’t specifically referring to light rail.
Responding to a survey about issues of importance to your electorate is not “pandering” to anything. The Liberal Party certainly didn’t think so, nor did other independents and minor parties. It’s a pity you have to demean yourself by comments such as “misleading tripe”; it doesn’t help your argument.

Astro,
You seem to have a weird fixation on Trump, you might want to work on that.

And no, they are still the Light Rail lobby, you think I haven’t read all their material and follow their arguments? LOL.

The Light Rail lobby weren’t asking these questions in good faith, or in pushing for the best overall public transport outcomes for Canberra. It does your argument no favours to continue the charade that they provide any sort of balance, although that’s the exact reason they changed their name.

The Public Transport Canberra lobby group fully supported Network 2019, backed a reduction in Bus services across outer Canberra, supported the removal of over 700 bus stops, cheered on getting rid of peak hour Xpresso buses that took commuters from the outer suburbs and direct to work.
They are Light Rail centric and many keen Public transport advocates or people heavily involved with ACTBus, decide to not engage with PTCBR because they don’t represent vehicle agnostic public transport solutions for Canberra.

No mate not fixated on anything, just making a point about use of the adjective “fake.” Just because you want the Public Transport Association of Canberra (PTCBR) to be called something else doesn’t mean it will be. You’re kind of getting into the realms of fantasy there. Looking at the PTCBR survey questions they seemed to have a balance between bus and rail usage and potential improvements.

Astro,
You’re clearly the one heading into fantasy land with your Trump fixation and inability to understand that you yourself provided the evidence about the Light Rail lobby when you linked their 5 point plan.

Perhaps you should read the first point again, it might help your comprehension on the level of balance and objectivity of the group.

Then you can look at how they framed the results of their survey into light rail and public transport, with a simple binary positioning and no room for the nuance someone like Fiona Carrick has put forward around the best public transport options.

“Trump fixation”, that’s really funny, guess you’re not happy with the result of the ACT election. Never mind. The public transport association 5-point plan, covering both buses and light rail is on their website and the survey questions as well so I’ll just leave it to people to read and make up their own minds.

Guess you like making stuff up, particularly funny when you provided the direct evidence defeating your own argument.

You will find nowhere on the Light Rail lobby plan, any consideration of options for the most efficient and cost effective public transport network across the city. No proposal that we should consider options and utilise the best fit for purpose solution.

Their support of light rail is unconditional, without any qualifications on its suitability or economic outcomes across the different proposed routes in Canberra.

So yes, readers can see their level of bias for themselves, they freely advertise it.

And sadly for you, my prediction for the election result, posted on the pre-election thread, was entirely proven correct.

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

You’re really funny when you get fired up mate. Not sure why you’re so upset about the Public Transport Association and their 5-point plan to improve public transport. If you don’t agree with it that’s fine and you’re entitled to your opinion. However, there’s no need to lash out at a lobby group just because you don’t agree with them. Understandably, as the election results will confirm that planning for light rail stage 2B will continue, this is not the result you hoped for but TBH, I doubt whether the public transport canberra association will change their name just because you don’t like it. However there’s nothing stopping you from starting your own lobby group with all your own ideas for public transport. You could give it a catchy name……perhaps, “Can the Tram” or “Discover the Pluses of Buses.” All the best for your future activism Chewy14.

Astro,
not understanding he has provided the evidence disproving his argument tries to change the subject and doubles down with a healthy dose of emotional projection when faced with logical analysis.

I haven’t asked for them to change their name, nor actually made any commentary about my support or otherwise on the 5 point plan.

Just recognising them for what they are.

No need for you to get so angry and emotional about it.

Why would Fiona Carrick openly support Light Rail to Woden without a costing and a business case?

Light Rail 1.7km extension to Commonwealth Park, costs $577 million in rail construction, with the other associated design, administrative , vehicle and groundwork’s like raising London circuit adding anywhere from $400 million to $800 million in additional costs.

When Mr Barr can only publicly concede that Light Rail to Woden will cost hundreds of millions, when it’s clear that it will cost multiple Billions and he’s trying to hide costs from voters, it’s no wonder Ms Carrick would be loathe to respond to yet another one sided Public Transport Canberra Light Rail survey regarding their passion project.

Fiona Carrick’s position on the Light Rail is detailed on her website and stands pretty much alone as one candidate who wants to take a holistic and evidence based position on Public Transport in the ACT.

The simple positioning from the Light Rail lobby group (their fake name still fools no one) is part of the problem with this project and the way it is framed to the public.

As chewy14 stated, Fiona Carrick seems to one of the few candidates to take an intelligent, considered approach to the question of whether to proceed or not with Light Rail Stage 2B i.e. nobody is in the position to know without significantly more information being provided. “Give us a blank cheque and if and when we are ready we might let you know in the fullness of time what route it will take, how much it will cost, what service levels it will provide and the overall impact on the existing transport network” is not a business case based on solid needs analysis. The Government and other spruikers like D.C Haas entire business case and rationale is the statement:

PTCBR strongly supports light rail as the best option for frequent, high capacity transport on dense corridors. While upfront costs can be higher than other dedicated transport systems, such as busways, over the long run light rail is the more economical and environmentally friendly option. It is best placed to meet Canberra’s needs as we had towards a city of 500,000 and beyond.

If this is so obvious then why hasn’t the Government provided the facts, figures and transparency to prove it ? The arrogance is breathtaking.

Could we have a bus with signage saying that it identifies as a light rail. And use the billions for health and education.

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