17 July 2013

ACTPLA Gets Caned Yet Again

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Yet again, ACTPLA has been caught out approving a development that is non-compliant with their own rules.

The ACAT found that there were so many things wrong that, even if they imposed a number of conditions to achieve improved outcomes, it was still so far removed from compliant that the DA must be refused.

What troubles me about these cases is that most neighbours don’t even bother checking what the effects of developments are, and even if they are convinced that the development should not be approved, very few go to all the stress, expense and trouble of going to ACAT.

I wonder just how many non-compliant DAs are going through ACTPLA. Given the success rate in ACAT, it would be safe to assume that there are plenty more like this that are never examined by an independent third party.

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dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

I think it will be pretty much the same it is as now, although maybe a hell of a lot more peeps on welfare due to the liberal government.

Can you tell. E what you think has happened in some parts of Europe and the uk?

If you are to lazy and go there and find out yourself then there is always the internet. Even the Guardian knows it.

That is not a answer to my very simple question

With you, simple is the operative word.
You know very well what is going on in Europe in respect of Islamisation but you can only relate to links on the internet which you are too lazy to seek (unless it supports whatever you are disagreeing with) How about you find some links on the internet that debunk what I am telling you?
Unlike you, I have been to Europe almost every year for the past 10 years and I have seen it first hand.
I suppose you now want screen shots of my travel itinerary and photos?

LOL at this then.
http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001

Walker said :

dungfungus said :

Jazz said :

heaven forbid people form an opinion that doesnt need to quote a source

Even Jazz is a Christian. God bless you Jazz.

Dungfungus, are you a Christian?

I am today.

thatsnotme said :

Walker said :

Dungfungus, and Moderators,

While I realise we entertain ourselves (somewhat) with the various antics and redirections, may I suggest dungfungus start another post on this proposed Islamic centre, so that this topic can go back to the more or less main point of relevance to most locals…

…and that we do so for anything else dungfungus and others care to hijack?

I do not wish to curtail his freedom fries. Hell, we’ve got a criminal organisation stooge on the books (you know the one). So it’s clear riotact doesn’t want to clamp down too hard on it. Fair enough I suppose. More keyboard wrangling for the keen. More ad exposure to riotact.

(Although you might lose custom on account of the fact ordinary folk might hesitate to partake in a community site that is at times populated by some very strange views and bizarre user names pertaining to said illegal organisations).

Think about it some. Could get the best of all of it. People can carry on. But people who are interested in the topic – shitty planning and dodgy builders whatever – can keep at it without being put off having to navigate endless streams of side stories.

What say you, dungfungus, and moderator? Splitting topics out as a navigational aid, and so that people can cue something up without being lost in someone’s bullshit (unless they want to). This could increase your market share, without scaring off folks that just want to have a say and side step some (if not all) of the trashers.

Is this a useful idea for riotact?

AMEN!!

It seems these days the only moderation that happens here is to cover the RA’s arse, there’s certainly nothing happening to try to improve the quality of the discourse.

I’m amazed that the place is trying to find a buyer. The way things are around here these days, it’d be like trying to find someone who wanted to buy the comments sections from news.com.au …

Once again, I do not parrot what may be said on news.com.au.
I read the Canberra Times (or what now should bereferred to as Fairfax Media’s Canberra edition) and watch the ABC but after the (predictable) disgusting comments made by panelist Marieke Harvey on First Book Club last night regarding “clean smelling anuses” I will check what is on other channels at that time in future.
You should watch it on iview – your comment “cover RA’s arse” would seem to indicate you have a fixation on that part of the anatomy also.

thatsnotme said :

Walker said :

Dungfungus, and Moderators,

While I realise we entertain ourselves (somewhat) with the various antics and redirections, may I suggest dungfungus start another post on this proposed Islamic centre, so that this topic can go back to the more or less main point of relevance to most locals…

…and that we do so for anything else dungfungus and others care to hijack?

I do not wish to curtail his freedom fries. Hell, we’ve got a criminal organisation stooge on the books (you know the one). So it’s clear riotact doesn’t want to clamp down too hard on it. Fair enough I suppose. More keyboard wrangling for the keen. More ad exposure to riotact.

(Although you might lose custom on account of the fact ordinary folk might hesitate to partake in a community site that is at times populated by some very strange views and bizarre user names pertaining to said illegal organisations).

Think about it some. Could get the best of all of it. People can carry on. But people who are interested in the topic – shitty planning and dodgy builders whatever – can keep at it without being put off having to navigate endless streams of side stories.

What say you, dungfungus, and moderator? Splitting topics out as a navigational aid, and so that people can cue something up without being lost in someone’s bullshit (unless they want to). This could increase your market share, without scaring off folks that just want to have a say and side step some (if not all) of the trashers.

Is this a useful idea for riotact?

AMEN!!

It seems these days the only moderation that happens here is to cover the RA’s arse, there’s certainly nothing happening to try to improve the quality of the discourse.

I’m amazed that the place is trying to find a buyer. The way things are around here these days, it’d be like trying to find someone who wanted to buy the comments sections from news.com.au …

My original posts questioned the ACT Labor Government extending special planning concessions to the CIC. The thread was titled “ACTPLA gets caned yet again” and it was entirely appropriate to use this as a follow on.
The problem with memtioning Islam or Muslim means the that one risks being branded a racist, bigot etc. If I started a thread about the CIC alone I would have been seen to be having a vendetta against the CIC only when the planning decisions and concessions were made by the ACT Labor Government.
Instead of agonising over whether a separate thread should have been started you should be questioning why no one from the ACT Labor Government or CIC has made a comment to defend the concessional decisions that were made.

Walker said :

Dungfungus, and Moderators,

While I realise we entertain ourselves (somewhat) with the various antics and redirections, may I suggest dungfungus start another post on this proposed Islamic centre, so that this topic can go back to the more or less main point of relevance to most locals…

…and that we do so for anything else dungfungus and others care to hijack?

I do not wish to curtail his freedom fries. Hell, we’ve got a criminal organisation stooge on the books (you know the one). So it’s clear riotact doesn’t want to clamp down too hard on it. Fair enough I suppose. More keyboard wrangling for the keen. More ad exposure to riotact.

(Although you might lose custom on account of the fact ordinary folk might hesitate to partake in a community site that is at times populated by some very strange views and bizarre user names pertaining to said illegal organisations).

Think about it some. Could get the best of all of it. People can carry on. But people who are interested in the topic – shitty planning and dodgy builders whatever – can keep at it without being put off having to navigate endless streams of side stories.

What say you, dungfungus, and moderator? Splitting topics out as a navigational aid, and so that people can cue something up without being lost in someone’s bullshit (unless they want to). This could increase your market share, without scaring off folks that just want to have a say and side step some (if not all) of the trashers.

Is this a useful idea for riotact?

AMEN!!

It seems these days the only moderation that happens here is to cover the RA’s arse, there’s certainly nothing happening to try to improve the quality of the discourse.

I’m amazed that the place is trying to find a buyer. The way things are around here these days, it’d be like trying to find someone who wanted to buy the comments sections from news.com.au …

dungfungus said :

Jazz said :

heaven forbid people form an opinion that doesnt need to quote a source

Even Jazz is a Christian. God bless you Jazz.

Dungfungus, are you a Christian?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd7:27 pm 04 Mar 14

NoImRight said :

Jazz said :

heaven forbid people form an opinion that doesnt need to quote a source

People can have whatever opinions they like without any evidence at all. Its when they differentiate by saying something is a fact that it all gets ugly. No problem with someone saying “I think Frisbeetarianism is a pants belief system” but saying “All Frisbeetarians drown puppies as a hobby so should all be shot on sight” you’re raising the stakes. It can be a subtle difference at times and no doubt some pedant will labour the point Im trying to make and deliberately not understand just to continue to rant.

Personally I despair of anyone whose opinion on something major is not based at least in part of fact but thats just me. 🙂

Yeah, peeps need to learn the difference between opinions and facts. Opinions are often wrong, while facts, well they are never wrong.

Jazz said :

I dont get accused of that very often

The Spanish Inquisitions finshed 500 years ago so relax.

Jazz said :

heaven forbid people form an opinion that doesnt need to quote a source

People can have whatever opinions they like without any evidence at all. Its when they differentiate by saying something is a fact that it all gets ugly. No problem with someone saying “I think Frisbeetarianism is a pants belief system” but saying “All Frisbeetarians drown puppies as a hobby so should all be shot on sight” you’re raising the stakes. It can be a subtle difference at times and no doubt some pedant will labour the point Im trying to make and deliberately not understand just to continue to rant.

Personally I despair of anyone whose opinion on something major is not based at least in part of fact but thats just me. 🙂

Jazz said :

heaven forbid people form an opinion that doesnt need to quote a source

Even Jazz is a Christian. God bless you Jazz.

I dont get accused of that very often

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

dungfungus said :

As much as I hate giving links, I will provide one now on the condition that you NEVER question my integrity again. Now, read it and shutup forever more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

Why do you hate providing links? If there’s no evident basis in fact, then every claim made by a muppet on the internet is as valid as the next. Stating something without support and then saying “prove that it isn’t” is equivalent to someone saying “dungfungus makes his living defrauding pensioners, prove that he doesn’t”.

No one is a special little snow-flake who’s damn-fool statements are above question. Otherwise, it’s just pantomime. (Oh No It’s Not!)

Anything I post on this blog can be corroborated but not necessarily from the internet. What pisses me off is that most of what I post is available on the internet but people like the comic clown are too lazy to search for it so they say “source?” in the context as an innuendo that I am a liar.
Of course a lot of stuff on the internet is invalid but I am not putting that false information there in the first place.
Incidentally, I have given up defrauding pensioners because they are chronically short of cash.

No, you are nothing but a liar, that is why you can never provide a source.

As Dr Phil would say, “you need help”.

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

So – where’s your list of 20 christian countries?

I don’t keep “lists” and I am not in the habit of playing childish games but to satisfy your lust for knowledge I advise that I have been to NZ, Fiji, Canada, USA, Mexico, most of the rest of the Americas, UK, most of Europe. Get an atlas and do the math.
Are you sated now or are you like that other clown who wants “sources and screenshots”?

Thanks. I can see why you were reluctant.

Of the European countries, only Denmark, England, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, Norway and Vatican City are christian. Did you go to all of those? Even so, you’re a LONG way short of 20.

It would seem that you’re full if it.

And I suppose Martin Luther wasn’t a German afterall.
That Notre Dame Cathederal and the Sacre Couer Basilica in Paris are really cardboard cutouts.
Get real and grow up.
BTW, Christian with a capital please.

Az said :

“In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.”

Are there any ‘Christian’ countries left? Seems all the major ones have done their best to rip church out of state, which is why they don’t have legal sanctions for religious ‘crimes’.

And the fastest growing religion in Australia is ‘None.’ (Source: ABS)

Fair comment.
I think any country that aspires to Christian values can be called a Christian country even though its citizens don’t go to church regularly or even at all. A lot of “religions” are huddled together under the same umbrella and they are compliance scrutinised by several government agencies.
As I understand a Christian can chose to become a Muslim but converting from Islam to Christianity is a very short term experience.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:37 pm 04 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

dungfungus said :

As much as I hate giving links, I will provide one now on the condition that you NEVER question my integrity again. Now, read it and shutup forever more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

Why do you hate providing links? If there’s no evident basis in fact, then every claim made by a muppet on the internet is as valid as the next. Stating something without support and then saying “prove that it isn’t” is equivalent to someone saying “dungfungus makes his living defrauding pensioners, prove that he doesn’t”.

No one is a special little snow-flake who’s damn-fool statements are above question. Otherwise, it’s just pantomime. (Oh No It’s Not!)

Anything I post on this blog can be corroborated but not necessarily from the internet. What pisses me off is that most of what I post is available on the internet but people like the comic clown are too lazy to search for it so they say “source?” in the context as an innuendo that I am a liar.
Of course a lot of stuff on the internet is invalid but I am not putting that false information there in the first place.
Incidentally, I have given up defrauding pensioners because they are chronically short of cash.

No, you are nothing but a liar, that is why you can never provide a source.

heaven forbid people form an opinion that doesnt need to quote a source

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

So – where’s your list of 20 christian countries?

I don’t keep “lists” and I am not in the habit of playing childish games but to satisfy your lust for knowledge I advise that I have been to NZ, Fiji, Canada, USA, Mexico, most of the rest of the Americas, UK, most of Europe. Get an atlas and do the math.
Are you sated now or are you like that other clown who wants “sources and screenshots”?

Thanks. I can see why you were reluctant.

Of the European countries, only Denmark, England, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Liechtenstein, Malta, Monaco, Norway and Vatican City are christian. Did you go to all of those? Even so, you’re a LONG way short of 20.

It would seem that you’re full if it.

dungfungus said :

Anything I post on this blog can be corroborated but not necessarily from the internet. What pisses me off is that most of what I post is available on the internet but people like the comic clown are too lazy to search for it so they say “source?” in the context as an innuendo that I am a liar.
Of course a lot of stuff on the internet is invalid but I am not putting that false information there in the first place.

Therein lies the problem. Valid but uncorroborated statements are virtually indistinguishable from complete bullshit. And by extension (rightly or wrongly), refusal to provide corroboration looks identical to the inability to provide corroborating evidence (either because the information isn’t readily available, or because it is in fact bullshit).

This is a distraction from the original topic, so I shall leave it. Unless it comes up in its own or more relevant topic heading.

Cheers.

“What say you, dungfungus, and moderator? Splitting topics out as a navigational aid, and so that people can cue something up without being lost in someone’s bullshit (unless they want to)….”

Great idea. Australian Gamer had a sub-forum called ‘Ball Pit’ (I think) where they’d relegate off-topic rants so they could continue out of harms way.

The sub-forum was a great read for whacko topics, trolling, heated debates and name calling and it kept the main threads (almost) free of the former.

Dungfungus, and Moderators,

While I realise we entertain ourselves (somewhat) with the various antics and redirections, may I suggest dungfungus start another post on this proposed Islamic centre, so that this topic can go back to the more or less main point of relevance to most locals…

…and that we do so for anything else dungfungus and others care to hijack?

I do not wish to curtail his freedom fries. Hell, we’ve got a criminal organisation stooge on the books (you know the one). So it’s clear riotact doesn’t want to clamp down too hard on it. Fair enough I suppose. More keyboard wrangling for the keen. More ad exposure to riotact.

(Although you might lose custom on account of the fact ordinary folk might hesitate to partake in a community site that is at times populated by some very strange views and bizarre user names pertaining to said illegal organisations).

Think about it some. Could get the best of all of it. People can carry on. But people who are interested in the topic – shitty planning and dodgy builders whatever – can keep at it without being put off having to navigate endless streams of side stories.

What say you, dungfungus, and moderator? Splitting topics out as a navigational aid, and so that people can cue something up without being lost in someone’s bullshit (unless they want to). This could increase your market share, without scaring off folks that just want to have a say and side step some (if not all) of the trashers.

Is this a useful idea for riotact?

“In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.”

Are there any ‘Christian’ countries left? Seems all the major ones have done their best to rip church out of state, which is why they don’t have legal sanctions for religious ‘crimes’.

And the fastest growing religion in Australia is ‘None.’ (Source: ABS)

MrBigEars said :

dungfungus said :

As much as I hate giving links, I will provide one now on the condition that you NEVER question my integrity again. Now, read it and shutup forever more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

Why do you hate providing links? If there’s no evident basis in fact, then every claim made by a muppet on the internet is as valid as the next. Stating something without support and then saying “prove that it isn’t” is equivalent to someone saying “dungfungus makes his living defrauding pensioners, prove that he doesn’t”.

No one is a special little snow-flake who’s damn-fool statements are above question. Otherwise, it’s just pantomime. (Oh No It’s Not!)

Anything I post on this blog can be corroborated but not necessarily from the internet. What pisses me off is that most of what I post is available on the internet but people like the comic clown are too lazy to search for it so they say “source?” in the context as an innuendo that I am a liar.
Of course a lot of stuff on the internet is invalid but I am not putting that false information there in the first place.
Incidentally, I have given up defrauding pensioners because they are chronically short of cash.

dungfungus said :

As much as I hate giving links, I will provide one now on the condition that you NEVER question my integrity again. Now, read it and shutup forever more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

Why do you hate providing links? If there’s no evident basis in fact, then every claim made by a muppet on the internet is as valid as the next. Stating something without support and then saying “prove that it isn’t” is equivalent to someone saying “dungfungus makes his living defrauding pensioners, prove that he doesn’t”.

No one is a special little snow-flake who’s damn-fool statements are above question. Otherwise, it’s just pantomime. (Oh No It’s Not!)

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

The request for proof from the Gamer may seem monotonous to some but he makes a valid point. So many claims and BS statistics are thrown around here, especially on this topic that its hard to keep on track when someone just makes stuff up to defend the otherwise indefensible.Im yet to see actual evidence to support any of the claims made. When pressed on the issue they bluster and get personal. Says a lot about the credibility of there argument.

To answer this particular question no Sharia law is not “the law” anywhere in the UK. That is assuming the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice in the UK is considered a credible source. Or else you can believe a small, malevolent group of non entities on a forum who seems to see “I just know” as somehow a trump card. Your choice.

According to law enforcement authorities in Sydney, it is illegal to own a handgun yet almost daily (please comic clown don’t ask for a source) there are drive by shootings and sometimes murders by a certain ethnic group who only abide by their own laws.
Do you see the parallel with sharia law in the UK now? While the Grand Poobah for Justice in the UK states sharia law is not the law anywhere in the UK I have posted a link elsewhere for the benefit of the forensic fool which proves there is.
With respect, you are naive to even suggest what you did.

Are you saying this “certain ethnic group” invented gun violence or even are the only ones doing it? Breaking existing laws is not proof another set somehow magically have taken their place.I’ll just leave this link here shall I? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milperra_massacre

“With respect” a rant in the Daily Mail is not “proof” that Sharia law is legal in the UK.Read your link even in it it says its not the law. Providing a link showing its now law in the UK would be proof. It isnt, which is why you cant. Circular links from tabloids that play to existing prejudices arent proof of anything except an already demonstrated lowest common denominator mentality. You are wrong. Man up and admit it.

NoImRight said :

The request for proof from the Gamer may seem monotonous to some but he makes a valid point. So many claims and BS statistics are thrown around here, especially on this topic that its hard to keep on track when someone just makes stuff up to defend the otherwise indefensible.Im yet to see actual evidence to support any of the claims made. When pressed on the issue they bluster and get personal. Says a lot about the credibility of there argument.

To answer this particular question no Sharia law is not “the law” anywhere in the UK. That is assuming the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice in the UK is considered a credible source. Or else you can believe a small, malevolent group of non entities on a forum who seems to see “I just know” as somehow a trump card. Your choice.

According to law enforcement authorities in Sydney, it is illegal to own a handgun yet almost daily (please comic clown don’t ask for a source) there are drive by shootings and sometimes murders by a certain ethnic group who only abide by their own laws.
Do you see the parallel with sharia law in the UK now? While the Grand Poobah for Justice in the UK states sharia law is not the law anywhere in the UK I have posted a link elsewhere for the benefit of the forensic fool which proves there is.
With respect, you are naive to even suggest what you did.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

Can you post a actual source that there is sharia law anywhere in the uk?

The forensic fool is back.
Yes I can but no, I won’t. I am sick of your stupid antics.

Gotcha. Thank you for openly admitting you talk nothing but bs and confirming you are nothing more than a dirtbag bigot.

What happened to not calling people names?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

Can you post a actual source that there is sharia law anywhere in the uk?

The forensic fool is back.
Yes I can but no, I won’t. I am sick of your stupid antics.

Gotcha. Thank you for openly admitting you talk nothing but bs and confirming you are nothing more than a dirtbag bigot.

As much as I hate giving links, I will provide one now on the condition that you NEVER question my integrity again. Now, read it and shutup forever more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

Can you post a actual source that there is sharia law anywhere in the uk?

The forensic fool is back.
Yes I can but no, I won’t. I am sick of your stupid antics.

Gotcha. Thank you for openly admitting you talk nothing but bs and confirming you are nothing more than a dirtbag bigot.

Dude, why do you pop up in every thread with the same bs?

90% of the time you just hound people without putting any position forward. When you do post something besides ‘source’ you seem like some kind of super anti-social jerk.

You need to go outside and not shut down every thread with your ‘contributions’.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd5:54 pm 03 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

Can you post a actual source that there is sharia law anywhere in the uk?

The forensic fool is back.
Yes I can but no, I won’t. I am sick of your stupid antics.

Gotcha. Thank you for openly admitting you talk nothing but bs and confirming you are nothing more than a dirtbag bigot.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

Can you post a actual source that there is sharia law anywhere in the uk?

Considering you never respond when someone does have a source it’s pretty evident you are simply trolling

their not there dammit! kn typos….

The request for proof from the Gamer may seem monotonous to some but he makes a valid point. So many claims and BS statistics are thrown around here, especially on this topic that its hard to keep on track when someone just makes stuff up to defend the otherwise indefensible.Im yet to see actual evidence to support any of the claims made. When pressed on the issue they bluster and get personal. Says a lot about the credibility of there argument.

To answer this particular question no Sharia law is not “the law” anywhere in the UK. That is assuming the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice in the UK is considered a credible source. Or else you can believe a small, malevolent group of non entities on a forum who seems to see “I just know” as somehow a trump card. Your choice.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

Can you post a actual source that there is sharia law anywhere in the uk?

The forensic fool is back.
Yes I can but no, I won’t. I am sick of your stupid antics.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:21 pm 03 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

Can you post a actual source that there is sharia law anywhere in the uk?

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.

Which country would that be, then?

Every one I have visited in the past 20 years.
What planet are you living on?

Every country you’ve visited in the last 20 years is a christian country???

I’d be most interested in a list.

We are talking about Christian countries – where were you taught English for goodness sake?

I’m not sure what knowing English has to do with it, but yes.

So – where’s your list of 20 christian countries?

I don’t keep “lists” and I am not in the habit of playing childish games but to satisfy your lust for knowledge I advise that I have been to NZ, Fiji, Canada, USA, Mexico, most of the rest of the Americas, UK, most of Europe. Get an atlas and do the math.
Are you sated now or are you like that other clown who wants “sources and screenshots”?

MrBigEars said :

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

The reality is that they are settlers, not migrants. Migrants tend to integrate and adopt the ways of the host country. The Muslims do not inter-marry and tend to take over suburbs which become no-go areas for anyone but Muslims. They reject our culture and values but accept our welfare and tolerance. One has to ask the question “why are they moving to non-Islamic countries that they despise”?
Sharia law is already accepted within some areas in the UK.
The 6% you have quoted may be the official aggregate figure but in some areas it is closer to 100%.
With the falling birth rates the UK and Europe, and their large families directed by Islamic decree, all of Europe at least will be an Islamic caliphate by 2050.
All of the above is reported fact so it is a bit rich of some contributors to suggest I am a bigot. History has a habit of repeating itself. Remember the fall of the Roman Empire? Well, it had a lot to do with complacency (or absence of resiliance as you rightly suggest).

It’s a bit of a worry when only 6% of the population can cause “Islamification”. Doesn’t speak highly of the resilience of Western European Culture.

Something needs to be done about the quote system, these block quotes that are one word long stretching all the way down the page are terrible and quite last century looking / functioning as well.

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.

Which country would that be, then?

Every one I have visited in the past 20 years.
What planet are you living on?

Every country you’ve visited in the last 20 years is a christian country???

I’d be most interested in a list.

We are talking about Christian countries – where were you taught English for goodness sake?

I’m not sure what knowing English has to do with it, but yes.

So – where’s your list of 20 christian countries?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

I think it will be pretty much the same it is as now, although maybe a hell of a lot more peeps on welfare due to the liberal government.

Can you tell. E what you think has happened in some parts of Europe and the uk?

If you are to lazy and go there and find out yourself then there is always the internet. Even the Guardian knows it.

That is not a answer to my very simple question

With you, simple is the operative word.
You know very well what is going on in Europe in respect of Islamisation but you can only relate to links on the internet which you are too lazy to seek (unless it supports whatever you are disagreeing with) How about you find some links on the internet that debunk what I am telling you?
Unlike you, I have been to Europe almost every year for the past 10 years and I have seen it first hand.
I suppose you now want screen shots of my travel itinerary and photos?

It would be great if you posted them.

Well, you keep suggesting this but if you refer to your friend the internet I am sure you will get better stuff than I can provide. Please post all the links that contradict what I (and a few others) have been saying.
Tomorrow is OK as it is getting past your bedtime.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd4:33 pm 02 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

I think it will be pretty much the same it is as now, although maybe a hell of a lot more peeps on welfare due to the liberal government.

Can you tell. E what you think has happened in some parts of Europe and the uk?

If you are to lazy and go there and find out yourself then there is always the internet. Even the Guardian knows it.

That is not a answer to my very simple question

With you, simple is the operative word.
You know very well what is going on in Europe in respect of Islamisation but you can only relate to links on the internet which you are too lazy to seek (unless it supports whatever you are disagreeing with) How about you find some links on the internet that debunk what I am telling you?
Unlike you, I have been to Europe almost every year for the past 10 years and I have seen it first hand.
I suppose you now want screen shots of my travel itinerary and photos?

It would be great if you posted them.

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.

Which country would that be, then?

Every one I have visited in the past 20 years.
What planet are you living on?

Every country you’ve visited in the last 20 years is a christian country???

I’d be most interested in a list.

We are talking about Christian countries – where were you taught English for goodness sake?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

I think it will be pretty much the same it is as now, although maybe a hell of a lot more peeps on welfare due to the liberal government.

Can you tell. E what you think has happened in some parts of Europe and the uk?

If you are to lazy and go there and find out yourself then there is always the internet. Even the Guardian knows it.

That is not a answer to my very simple question

With you, simple is the operative word.
You know very well what is going on in Europe in respect of Islamisation but you can only relate to links on the internet which you are too lazy to seek (unless it supports whatever you are disagreeing with) How about you find some links on the internet that debunk what I am telling you?
Unlike you, I have been to Europe almost every year for the past 10 years and I have seen it first hand.
I suppose you now want screen shots of my travel itinerary and photos?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

And the problem is?

Well, there is this for a start:
“Following a special meeting with the Chief Minister’s Chief of Staff on Thursday 16 June 2011, the following offer in agreement in principle has been conveyed by the ACT Treasury:
– Interest and Penalties on Outstanding Rent have been waived off (Approx $52,000)
-Outstanding Rent (Approx $74,000) payable immediately
-Land Non Rental Concessional Lease (Approx $82,000) payable in 15 years on interest free terms (Approx $5,500 per year)
-Building Approvals for Phase 2 and construction can proceed after payment of Outstanding Rent.

Does anyone know of any other concessional deals the ACT Labor Government has cut with other quasi-religious cultural groups? What “special” relationship does ACT Labor have with the Muslim community?

Source?

Public domain – do your own research clown.

Ok then. You are admitting you have no source and everything you post is a lie.

Thanks for clarifying.

You are bone lazy, clown.
http://the-riotact.com/cabinet-oks-sale-of-monash-land-to-the-canberra-islamic-centre/55059

dungfungus said :

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.

Which country would that be, then?

Every one I have visited in the past 20 years.
What planet are you living on?

Every country you’ve visited in the last 20 years is a christian country???

I’d be most interested in a list.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:10 pm 01 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

I think it will be pretty much the same it is as now, although maybe a hell of a lot more peeps on welfare due to the liberal government.

Can you tell. E what you think has happened in some parts of Europe and the uk?

If you are to lazy and go there and find out yourself then there is always the internet. Even the Guardian knows it.

That is not a answer to my very simple question

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:08 pm 01 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

And the problem is?

Well, there is this for a start:
“Following a special meeting with the Chief Minister’s Chief of Staff on Thursday 16 June 2011, the following offer in agreement in principle has been conveyed by the ACT Treasury:
– Interest and Penalties on Outstanding Rent have been waived off (Approx $52,000)
-Outstanding Rent (Approx $74,000) payable immediately
-Land Non Rental Concessional Lease (Approx $82,000) payable in 15 years on interest free terms (Approx $5,500 per year)
-Building Approvals for Phase 2 and construction can proceed after payment of Outstanding Rent.

Does anyone know of any other concessional deals the ACT Labor Government has cut with other quasi-religious cultural groups? What “special” relationship does ACT Labor have with the Muslim community?

Source?

Public domain – do your own research clown.

Ok then. You are admitting you have no source and everything you post is a lie.

Thanks for clarifying.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

I think it will be pretty much the same it is as now, although maybe a hell of a lot more peeps on welfare due to the liberal government.

Can you tell. E what you think has happened in some parts of Europe and the uk?

If you are to lazy and go there and find out yourself then there is always the internet. Even the Guardian knows it.

Apologies to the Canberra Times http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/new-mosque-for-tuggeranong-20130307-2fmxt.html

I was in Europe when this was announced otherwise I would have made a public submission against the proposed development which was always going to be a mosque anyhow.

Masquara said :

tim_c said :

As I heard someone say last year: “You really have to wonder if there might be some sort of corruption going on in ACTPLA…”

Yes, I heard someone say the same thing!

The blitz on ACT courts is working a treat. I can’t wait for sentencing…

dungfungus said :

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

That site has looked like a half finished dust bowl for the last 15 or 20 years. I doubt very much that anything is going to change anytime soon……or ever.

The site is around 300 meters from the nearest houses and people attending park on site, not on the street. I don’t see any problem with ACTPLA’s decision on this one.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

And the problem is?

Well, there is this for a start:
“Following a special meeting with the Chief Minister’s Chief of Staff on Thursday 16 June 2011, the following offer in agreement in principle has been conveyed by the ACT Treasury:
– Interest and Penalties on Outstanding Rent have been waived off (Approx $52,000)
-Outstanding Rent (Approx $74,000) payable immediately
-Land Non Rental Concessional Lease (Approx $82,000) payable in 15 years on interest free terms (Approx $5,500 per year)
-Building Approvals for Phase 2 and construction can proceed after payment of Outstanding Rent.

Does anyone know of any other concessional deals the ACT Labor Government has cut with other quasi-religious cultural groups? What “special” relationship does ACT Labor have with the Muslim community?

Source?

Public domain – do your own research clown.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:35 pm 01 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

I think it will be pretty much the same it is as now, although maybe a hell of a lot more peeps on welfare due to the liberal government.

Can you tell. E what you think has happened in some parts of Europe and the uk?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd3:33 pm 01 Mar 14

dungfungus said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

And the problem is?

Well, there is this for a start:
“Following a special meeting with the Chief Minister’s Chief of Staff on Thursday 16 June 2011, the following offer in agreement in principle has been conveyed by the ACT Treasury:
– Interest and Penalties on Outstanding Rent have been waived off (Approx $52,000)
-Outstanding Rent (Approx $74,000) payable immediately
-Land Non Rental Concessional Lease (Approx $82,000) payable in 15 years on interest free terms (Approx $5,500 per year)
-Building Approvals for Phase 2 and construction can proceed after payment of Outstanding Rent.

Does anyone know of any other concessional deals the ACT Labor Government has cut with other quasi-religious cultural groups? What “special” relationship does ACT Labor have with the Muslim community?

Source?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

The same that has happened in some parts of Europe and the UK. What do you think will have happened?

Deref said :

dungfungus said :

In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.

Which country would that be, then?

Every one I have visited in the past 20 years.
What planet are you living on?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

And the problem is?

Well, there is this for a start:
“Following a special meeting with the Chief Minister’s Chief of Staff on Thursday 16 June 2011, the following offer in agreement in principle has been conveyed by the ACT Treasury:
– Interest and Penalties on Outstanding Rent have been waived off (Approx $52,000)
-Outstanding Rent (Approx $74,000) payable immediately
-Land Non Rental Concessional Lease (Approx $82,000) payable in 15 years on interest free terms (Approx $5,500 per year)
-Building Approvals for Phase 2 and construction can proceed after payment of Outstanding Rent.

Does anyone know of any other concessional deals the ACT Labor Government has cut with other quasi-religious cultural groups? What “special” relationship does ACT Labor have with the Muslim community?

tim_c said :

As I heard someone say last year: “You really have to wonder if there might be some sort of corruption going on in ACTPLA…”

Yes, I heard someone say the same thing!

dungfungus said :

In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.

Which country would that be, then?

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

Ou contraire, it doesn’t matter what he is called with Abrahamic religions because they have the same god.
I say “he” because the last time I looked, they did not seem to think that god could be a “she”…

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd5:24 pm 28 Feb 14

dungfungus said :

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

What do you think will have happened I five years?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd5:24 pm 28 Feb 14

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

And the problem is?

Pitchka said :

dungfungus said :

I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

Allah is a sneaky mofo!!

The main difference between the “religious” part of Islam and Christianity is the degree of tolerance.
There is no tolerance for speaking ill of Allah in the eyes of Islam so if you said what you did in an Islamic country you would be physically subdivided immediately.
In a Christian country, you can take the Lord’s name in vain and no one cares anymore.
You will care again, in time.

NoImRight said :

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Actually, you will soon be saying OMA (Oh My Allah). You may well mock what I say now but let’s revisit this site in 5 years time and see what has happened.

dungfungus said :

I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

Allah is a sneaky mofo!!

dungfungus said :

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

OMG! OMG! OMG! NOOOOOO!!!

Probably unknown to most Monash residents, ACTPLA approved extensive additions to the Canberra Islamic Centre in that suburb on 1/2/2013 which essentially allows it to become a mosque. The additions include enlarging space for the Australian National Islamic Library, accommodation for a full time Imam, a room for washing the deceased prior to burial and a minaret with no provision for loud speakers (this could mean the Adhan will be a live performance).
Also provision for 189 car spaces.
The original lease was granted to the Islam community in 1993 so a cultural centre for the social, spiritual, recreational, welfare and religious needs of the ACT community could be established.
The CIC website now says “In response to the members’ religious needs, the CIC has been holding regular daily congregational prayers as well as Friday and Eid prayers”
Anyone who drives past there on a Friday will be aware of the large number of cars parked in the vicinity.
The Ultimate Ummah Directory (The Muslim’s Guide) refers to the CIC in Monash as a mosque.
I don’t recall the Canberra Times reporting on this or any media releases from the Minister.
It is a giant step to go from a cultural centre to a mosque and I can see why it has been done with stealth without the usual community consultation.

Martlark said :

A bogus breach that has prevented proper provision of better and more housing than what was there.

Sorry, but the original houses were infinitely better than cold, dark, and dank apartments with little access to outdoor space.

Martlark said :

Solar access has become an expensive mill stone around the necks of ordinary folk developers trying get build affordable cheap and accessable crowded housing.

There, I fixed that for you.

Quote CT ..The tribunal found the breaches meant many of the units did not have proper solar access…

A bogus breach that has prevented proper provision of better and more housing than what was there. Solar access has become an expensive mill stone around the necks of ordinary folk trying get affordable and accessable housing.

Never attribute to corruption what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence and laziness.

As I heard someone say last year: “You really have to wonder if there might be some sort of corruption going on in ACTPLA…”

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