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Ahmed Alzaabi to plead guilty, but not on the booze

By johnboy 13 August 2008 75

[First filed: July 18, 2008 @ 14:10]

The Canberra Times informs that the drink driving United Arab Emirates’ cadet who killed another ADFA cadet last month in a ghastly accident, Ahmed Alzaabi, 24, is going to plead guilty to the culpable driving charges on condition that the drink driving be dropped. (Also with an amazing photo of the wreckage).

Presumably that will save him having to apply for asylum here.

I’m not sure how much sympathy I have for a young Arab officer pranging his Lexus coupe while pissed and killing people.

UPDATED: My man in the UAE had this to say:

    I’d indeed expect the bizarre plea bargain to relate to public shame at home and probably army regulations covering drunkenness. Many Emiratis drink here, and a staggering number kill themselves on the roads. Assuming he’s an Emirati would expect he’ll get good legal and financial support from his government who’ll want this all to go away as quietly as possible.

ANOTHER UPDATE: The CT reports that young Ahmed has fronted the court with a new legal team (farewell Bernard Collaery) and plead guilty to:

    “one charge of culpable driving causing death and two counts of culpable driving negligently causing grievous bodily harm

Sentencing on 21 August.

FURTHER UPDATE: pug206gti had this to add:

    Having been by chance in the court this morning and seen the matter I can report that DPP presented no evidence on the drink driving chage and it was dismissed. As to the other charges, he did not consent to the Magistrates Court’s jurisdiction and was committed to stand trial in the Supreme Court. I guess he’s hoping to go before Higgins or Penfold.

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intenttokill 10:46 pm 05 Sep 08

I think Australian prisons have the best access to the psychichiatric and psychologial help that the plaintiff needs.

intenttokill 9:30 pm 25 Aug 08

Deadmandrinking said :

Mælinar – *spoiler alert* I’ve seen S04E13 said :

I think that ensuring somebody has time out from enjoying the benefits of civil society is commesurate with somebody who has exceeded those boundaries enjoyed by civil society.

Prisons could be better managed, but that does not disjoin them from the solution.

But the problem is prisons lack of management and providing safety for inmates is going against what they’re there for.

MRB, I suppose so, but it still sounds like a compromise. I don’t think they should drop any of the charges, I just wish there was a better solution than prison.

Civil society is not relevant. This is a criminal matter.

intenttokill 9:27 pm 25 Aug 08

Oops sorry my mistake, Drink Driving.

intenttokill 9:23 pm 25 Aug 08

I guess there’s always therapy for the judges and solicitors consciences involved in ignoring such a detrimental fact as drive driving if that’s good?

intenttokill 9:20 pm 25 Aug 08

The driver drove intoxicated and well over the limit, the law in Australia explains that there are harsher penalties for drink drivers. The alcohol was the intent to kill along with driving tired and speeding. Also grevious bodily harm. Being muslim is indiscriminable. I am not impressed by the remnants of the performance vehicle nor do I find this awesome.

I think its fair to plead guilty and be judged on the accuracy of evidence and facts.

The driver was determined to break the law.

sepi 7:35 pm 14 Aug 08

It isn’t really dropping the charge.

When people commit multiple murders etc, they are often just charged with one or two. When sentences are served concurrently, there is no point going through the rigmarole of working out a sentence for the lesser charge.

At the end of the day the worst thing he did was actually kill someone.

Deadmandrinking 6:15 pm 14 Aug 08

Mælinar – *spoiler alert* I’ve seen S04E13 said :

I think that ensuring somebody has time out from enjoying the benefits of civil society is commesurate with somebody who has exceeded those boundaries enjoyed by civil society.

Prisons could be better managed, but that does not disjoin them from the solution.

But the problem is prisons lack of management and providing safety for inmates is going against what they’re there for.

MRB, I suppose so, but it still sounds like a compromise. I don’t think they should drop any of the charges, I just wish there was a better solution than prison.

MRB 12:09 pm 14 Aug 08

DMD,the PCA charge was dropped because it is not the more serious (the penalty is less) of the offences.

But don’t worry, the Judge will take into consideration that he was drunk when deciding on a sentence. If the PCA charge was maintained, it would not make one iota of a difference in the sentence.

I think that ensuring somebody has time out from enjoying the benefits of civil society is commesurate with somebody who has exceeded those boundaries enjoyed by civil society.

Prisons could be better managed, but that does not disjoin them from the solution.

Deadmandrinking 11:45 am 14 Aug 08

Charlie, drink-driving was most probably the key factor. Being drunk at the wheel encourages the driver to take risks.

I have no idea what to do about people who drive fast. Tougher fines for speeding, maybe? But that just encourages whining about ‘revenue-raising’. The problem is that society can only step in and take the reins after a tragedy has occurred.

Charlie_Layla 11:32 am 14 Aug 08

Deadmandrinking, I doubt that the drink driving was the only factor, and I really think that heading into a wall at 130km isn’t the result of only one lot of bad judgement. The problem is, and always will be, that hoons will be hoons whether Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Buddhist etc etc.

…and no-one knows what to do about people who get into fast cars and forget that they’re mortal. As a former NT resident, I know only too well the devestating effects of speed (and drink driving) but more has to be done than merely charging individuals with diring offences as a result of fatal car accidents.

Deadmandrinking 11:05 am 14 Aug 08

Look, I’m not having an argument with you over f-ck all. Mo-hammered, Mohammed. Ha ha.

On the topic, I think it’s disgraceful that he isn’t being charged with drink driving. That’s what caused the damn crash in the first place. Didn’t drink drive – didn’t crash. Drink drive = illegal for this very reason.

Not to say that I’m compromising my usual stance of seeking alternatives to prison. I believe there’s a great deal drink drivers can do to recompense and learn about the impact of their crimes through community service, but I’m not for people not taking responsibility for crimes they committed when going through the courts.

mutley...again 10:38 am 14 Aug 08

I might have NFI about jokes, but you, my friend…

No please… go on…

Deadmandrinking 10:27 am 14 Aug 08

mutley…again said :

Oh…that’s pretty clever actually.

So what did you understand it as?

Yerrrs. I might have NFI about jokes, but you, my friend…

mdme workalot 9:38 am 14 Aug 08

Factor – are you serious with that comment? Please tell me you’re not. That is disgraceful and insulting.

Your comment smacks of ‘aww, but I had no choice’ and you automatically assume that other people experience the same thing. I don’t know about others, but if I go out and get hammered, I either: a) Leave the keys at home and catch a cab; or b) exercise some f***ing commonsense and in my alcohol-induced haze, figure if I can’t walk in a straight line, I certainly can’t drive. Personally, because I am a RESPONSIBLE PERSON I will not drive after 4 or more drinks, regardless of how I feel (and I really like having my licence).

If you are someone who trusts a friends judgement over your own as to your ability to drive, I think you have some serious issues. God forbid I ever come across you and your friends on the road after a night out. Grow some balls and take some responsibility for your own actions.

(Apologies JB – I realise this is coming close to abusive language but that post really riled me)

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