Airport pick-ups, Canberra style. Images of Canberra.

creative_canberran said :

In this case, s106A states the airports to which Division 2 (Landside parking) is applicable, Canberra Airport is not listed.

Using AustLii because ComLaw is misbehaving, the reference cycle becomes:

1) On the landside of an airport, certain parts of the Australian Road Rules apply.
2) Those certain Rules apply as if you stepped back in time several years when it comes to which version road rules due to the way the law was written and is still in effect as such. Use this document until they update the Airports (Control of On-Airports Activities) Regulations (A(CoOAA) Regs).
3) Stopping and parking have meanings under the Road Rules, but the offence pictured above is a violation of Road Rule 197, which is one of those offences covered by Regulation 106E of the A(CoOAA) Regs.
Part 12, 197 Stopping on a path, dividing strip or nature strip
(1) A driver must not stop on a bicycle path, footpath, shared path or dividing strip, or a nature strip adjacent to a length of road in a built-up area...
Stop, in Part 12 includes park, but does not include stop to reverse the driver’s vehicle into a parking bay or other parking space.
4) This offence is a strict liability & infringement notice offence under Regulation 107 of the A(CoOAA) Regs.
5) The airport-operator company is authorised person under Reg 114 to serve penalty notices at the rate prescribed, and can serve it by post on the vehicle owner due to Regulation 106 being part of Division 2 .

IE: The only defence against the infringement notice that you could stand on for parking on a footpath at an airport is “You have no real evidence that I did it!”.

(The above applies at every capital city airport except Canberra, so I guess airport fines here are purely a civil matter?)
So always demand proof.

Skidbladnir said :

I -think- thats still a public road (its the terminal and beyond thats SnowTown for purposes of Airports (Control of On-Airport Activities) Regulations 1997)
IE: The fines should be going through AFP .
If not, then its mighty strange, as Canberra Airport doesn’t have traffic infringement powers.

Well done for finding the legislation on this. When readings Acts though, always be sure to see the first section of a Division which often contains definition alternations and applicability criteria specific to that division. If You look at the Criminal Code ACT, the same word can have a different meaning every few pages.

In this case, s106A states the airports to which Division 2 (Landside parking) is applicable, Canberra Airport is not listed.

I’m not sure why Canberra was omitted.

Now an important thing people may be overlooking is that Canberra Airport, like other major Australian airports owned by the Commonwealth Airport Corporation until 1998 is leased. Canberra Airport Pty Ltd purchased the lease, but the land is still the Commonwealth’s.

creative_canberran said :

There are 4 cafes (Breakout, Avalon, Dakota and Fat Goanna) and a Subway in Brindabella Business Park itself. Has been for a long time.

There are additional food outlets in the terminal and precinct, 5 in fact plus the new Maccas.

As for the crappy drives and construction works, how else do you build stuff? Let’s hear your solution… perhaps you can just click on a highway and drag it somewhere like in Sim City… oops, doesn’t work like that.

It’s Avion, and for a long long time when the place first opened, its crappy food was pretty much the only option. The Subway is at the servo (unless it has moved) & who is going to pay ridiculous prices inside the airport terminal for food? Maccas is far enough away from BBP that you might as well keep going into Civic for proper food.

I think the beef with the crappy road situation is that it was left till AFTER thousands of people had already started working there. That place was an utter mess for about 18 months. But we seem to have some form for that in Canberra *cough* GDE.

Working out there was the pits. A bloody hairdresser went in before we got a newsagent or a post office. We lost 1/3 of our staff when the move was announced, as there wasn’t even a public transport option at the time. Inconvenient doesn’t even begin to tell the tale!

Grail said :

And on a side note, I think this is exactly the kind of thing that deserves a good serve of civil disobedience. Let the bastards fine you for picking people up in the departures drop-off area. Then don’t pay the fines, and use the case to draw attention to the greediness of the bastards that are running our airport.

I -think- thats still a public road (its the terminal and beyond thats SnowTown for purposes of Airports (Control of On-Airport Activities) Regulations 1997)
IE: The fines should be going through AFP .
If not, then its mighty strange, as Canberra Airport doesn’t have traffic infringement powers.

BenMac said :

Failing to pay a parking fine in an ACT spot could get your licence suspended, but failing to pay at the airport means the airport corp would have to take you to civil court to get the money.

The airport would no doubt sell the debt to Bikies.

Easy. Three options:
1. Drive to arrivals and develop momentary car trouble. Open bonnet. Your friends jump in, and away you go.
2. Drive to arrivals having instructed your friends to limp. When you get hassled, threaten to sic HREOC onto them
3. Go around the little circle again and again (unless they’ve closed that option off) very slowly, and get your friends to walk down and jump in quickly.

If you’re brazen, you’ll get away with any of the above.

grunge_hippy said :

why cant get this right? melbourne, sydney and brisbane all have a drive up drop off/ pick up area. Why wasnt this implemented in our new wizz bag fancy pants terminal?

http://www.canberraairport.com.au/air_toAndFrom/pickup.cfm

And if you stay longer than 10mins, you simply pay the normal parking rates, so there’s no fines or anything.

And Canberra Airport also has a drive up drop off area: http://www.canberraairport.com.au/PDF/CA_TerminalUpperFloor.pdf
You must however not allow the vehicle to stand for any period.

Disinformation said :

I’d actually like to know what legal ability the airport has to fine you for picking someone up at the departure drop off point.
I’m betting the legal costs of civil court exceed the fine though.
Next time I have to pick someone up, I’m going to do exactly this and risk it, being the devil I am.

Again: http://www.canberraairport.com.au/air_toAndFrom/pickup.cfm

And as for legal rights, it’s criminal trespass. If you don’t move on, they are within there rights to have the AFP move you. If you leave a car unattended, they will most likely call in the SRS to examine the vehicle for explosives and send you the emergency services bill.

grunge_hippy said :

I would also argue that if you were working at the southern end of brindabella park, you aint gonna shlep it all the way to maccas out near jim murphy’s for a feed. not that you would want to eat that crap every day in any case.

There’s cafes in 2, 9, 23 and 35 Brindabella Ct.
There’s an additional restaurant and cafe in 8 Brindabella Ct.
And a Subway where the servo is.

http://www.brindabellabusinesspark.com.au/bbp-workinginthepark/dining.cfm

The workers hardly have to shlep over to Maccas.

James_ said :

I want to welcome home a loved one or see a loved one off on their journey without having a 10 minute time limit. And to add to the insult if its raining there is no cover to get to or from the terminal or for passengers to wait without getting wet.

Im happy to pay if the infrastructure is there to support it or if i am there longer than it is reasonably expected to complete a drop off or farwell / pickup and welcome.

Why not just pay for the undercover park right beside the terminal? Costs $1.50.

I think the airport could arrange things better, but when I see people doing stupid and dangerous things such as loading luggage in the middle of the roundabout, I have to wonder about their priorities.

It’s an M class Mercedes, built in South Carolina. It obviously broke down and was pushed onto the kerb.

I’d actually like to know what legal ability the airport has to fine you for picking someone up at the departure drop off point.
I’m betting the legal costs of civil court exceed the fine though.
Next time I have to pick someone up, I’m going to do exactly this and risk it, being the devil I am.

creative_canberran said :

Mr Waffle said :

creative_canberran said :

And stop bashing the Snow family, it’s because of them the precinct no longer consists of a tin shed.

You say that like it’s a good thing? Everyone I know either hates it because of this sort of hassle, the years of road works which causes crappy drives to/from work, or being forced to work out in the middle of nowhere with only a service station as a food option…

That is total BS.

There are 4 cafes (Breakout, Avalon, Dakota and Fat Goanna) and a Subway in Brindabella Business Park itself. Has been for a long time.

There are additional food outlets in the terminal and precinct, 5 in fact plus the new Maccas.

As for the crappy drives and construction works, how else do you build stuff? Let’s hear your solution… perhaps you can just click on a highway and drag it somewhere like in Sim City… oops, doesn’t work like that.

a representative of the snow family perhaps??

they had a perfect opportunity to get this right, but have failed miserably. The terminal inside itself is nice enough, but getting there and making it easy to pick up and drop off is a complete cock up.

I would also argue that if you were working at the southern end of brindabella park, you aint gonna shlep it all the way to maccas out near jim murphy’s for a feed. not that you would want to eat that crap every day in any case.

James_ said :

EvanJames said :

That’s what I want to do.

So I do it… the arrivee is told to get the escalator or lift up to Departures, and go wait at the kerb there. Works a treat.

wouldnt be doing that ver much. I did hear that they will be getting or already do have cameras that can get your number plate and send you a fine, if they dont issue you with one on the spot – this was from a security guard that told me when i was asking about other options.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you are fined at the airport, it’s not the same as being fined by the ACT Government.

Failing to pay a parking fine in an ACT spot could get your licence suspended, but failing to pay at the airport means the airport corp would have to take you to civil court to get the money.

Mr Waffle said :

creative_canberran said :

And stop bashing the Snow family, it’s because of them the precinct no longer consists of a tin shed.

You say that like it’s a good thing? Everyone I know either hates it because of this sort of hassle, the years of road works which causes crappy drives to/from work, or being forced to work out in the middle of nowhere with only a service station as a food option…

That is total BS.

There are 4 cafes (Breakout, Avalon, Dakota and Fat Goanna) and a Subway in Brindabella Business Park itself. Has been for a long time.

There are additional food outlets in the terminal and precinct, 5 in fact plus the new Maccas.

As for the crappy drives and construction works, how else do you build stuff? Let’s hear your solution… perhaps you can just click on a highway and drag it somewhere like in Sim City… oops, doesn’t work like that.

creative_canberran said :

And stop bashing the Snow family, it’s because of them the precinct no longer consists of a tin shed.

You say that like it’s a good thing? Everyone I know either hates it because of this sort of hassle, the years of road works which causes crappy drives to/from work, or being forced to work out in the middle of nowhere with only a service station as a food option…

aceofspades said :

It is a ridiculous rip off that you can’t avoid paying $2 for 5 minutes parking to pick someone up from the airport.

Grail said :

aceofspades said :

I wonder what you are actually being fined for? Is there parking/traffic fines that cover somebody getting in your car as opposed to getting out? Apparently even the driver of the car in the pic only “got a pretty stern talking to!”

You’re being fined for not feeding the Jim Snow retirement fund. It’s his land, he gets to make the rules.

EvanJames said :

You wait outside teh airport, wherever you can pull over. Person you’re picking up rings you when they’ve landed, and/or got their bags, and away you go.

Every airport I’ve used in the WORLD has a very open, obvious and convenient place for people to stand for their pick up. It’s a well-understood concept worldwide, evidently, that when people land at an airport, they’ll probably be picked up by a taxi, a hotel shuttle, a friend, a relative. Some airports have amazingly well-organised facilities for this.

In the US, many airports have a spot on the road leading in, called a Park’n’Wait. You pull in, park, and watch the big LED boards with arrival status on. When your person arrives and rings you, you pull back onto the road, and head into the airport. They often have signs up on the kerb with numbers, and your person might have said they’re waiting at number 4, so you head straight for that. Pick them up, and off you go.

Why the hell is our up-jumped tin-pot joke of an airport trying to buck this system and make a few quick bucks? Surely they could just charge an extra dollar for coffees or something and clean up.

Grail said :

And on a side note, I think this is exactly the kind of thing that deserves a good serve of civil disobedience. Let the bastards fine you for picking people up in the departures drop-off area. Then don’t pay the fines, and use the case to draw attention to the greediness of the bastards that are running our airport.

Stop whining! If you’re too damn stingy to pay for parking – catch the bus there or use the train, simple.

There’s cities in Australia where parking for work each day can set you back $30+, so the occasional fee for the airport is comparatively miniscule.

And stop bashing the Snow family, it’s because of them the precinct no longer consists of a tin shed. They also give much of that so called “retirement fund” back to the community via the foundation they have.

Honestly some people are so damn precious. I don’t want to pay, I don’t want to walk 20m. Lazy!

p1 said :

The no pickup rule is to prevent terrorists using car bombs

Because no terrorist could work out how to pretend to drop someone off, or ram their car through the front of the terminal.

You wait outside teh airport, wherever you can pull over. Person you’re picking up rings you when they’ve landed, and/or got their bags, and away you go.

Every airport I’ve used in the WORLD has a very open, obvious and convenient place for people to stand for their pick up. It’s a well-understood concept worldwide, evidently, that when people land at an airport, they’ll probably be picked up by a taxi, a hotel shuttle, a friend, a relative. Some airports have amazingly well-organised facilities for this.

In the US, many airports have a spot on the road leading in, called a Park’n’Wait. You pull in, park, and watch the big LED boards with arrival status on. When your person arrives and rings you, you pull back onto the road, and head into the airport. They often have signs up on the kerb with numbers, and your person might have said they’re waiting at number 4, so you head straight for that. Pick them up, and off you go.

Why the hell is our up-jumped tin-pot joke of an airport trying to buck this system and make a few quick bucks? Surely they could just charge an extra dollar for coffees or something and clean up.

And on a side note, I think this is exactly the kind of thing that deserves a good serve of civil disobedience. Let the bastards fine you for picking people up in the departures drop-off area. Then don’t pay the fines, and use the case to draw attention to the greediness of the bastards that are running our airport.

aceofspades said :

I wonder what you are actually being fined for? Is there parking/traffic fines that cover somebody getting in your car as opposed to getting out? Apparently even the driver of the car in the pic only “got a pretty stern talking to!”

You’re being fined for not feeding the Jim Snow retirement fund. It’s his land, he gets to make the rules.

James_ said :

EvanJames said :

That’s what I want to do.

So I do it… the arrivee is told to get the escalator or lift up to Departures, and go wait at the kerb there. Works a treat.

wouldnt be doing that ver much. I did hear that they will be getting or already do have cameras that can get your number plate and send you a fine, if they dont issue you with one on the spot – this was from a security guard that told me when i was asking about other options.

I always did this with the old airport layout. Even easier in this day and age of mobile telephony.

The no pickup rule is to prevent terrorists using car bombs

James_ said :

EvanJames said :

That’s what I want to do.

So I do it… the arrivee is told to get the escalator or lift up to Departures, and go wait at the kerb there. Works a treat.

wouldnt be doing that ver much. I did hear that they will be getting or already do have cameras that can get your number plate and send you a fine, if they dont issue you with one on the spot – this was from a security guard that told me when i was asking about other options.

I wonder what you are actually being fined for? Is there parking/traffic fines that cover somebody getting in your car as opposed to getting out? Apparently even the driver of the car in the pic only “got a pretty stern talking to!”

why cant get this right? melbourne, sydney and brisbane all have a drive up drop off/ pick up area. Why wasnt this implemented in our new wizz bag fancy pants terminal?

EvanJames said :

I use the airport quite a lot, and still can’t work out where the pickup area even IS. Why are we able to drive up those ramps to drop people off at the door, but can’t do the same thing when they are standing outside Arrivals, with their stuff, waiting? It’s an absolute joke.

I don’t want to go in and park. I don’t want to stuff around. I want to drive up to my friend or relative, have them chuck their stuff in the boot, they get in, and we drive away. That’s what I want to do.

So I do it… the arrivee is told to get the escalator or lift up to Departures, and go wait at the kerb there. Works a treat.

What a genius!!! Thanks for the tip. Just have to be a bit late picking them up to be sure they have enough time to get there after the plane has landed.

EvanJames said :

That’s what I want to do.

So I do it… the arrivee is told to get the escalator or lift up to Departures, and go wait at the kerb there. Works a treat.

wouldnt be doing that ver much. I did hear that they will be getting or already do have cameras that can get your number plate and send you a fine, if they dont issue you with one on the spot – this was from a security guard that told me when i was asking about other options.

I use the airport quite a lot, and still can’t work out where the pickup area even IS. Why are we able to drive up those ramps to drop people off at the door, but can’t do the same thing when they are standing outside Arrivals, with their stuff, waiting? It’s an absolute joke.

I don’t want to go in and park. I don’t want to stuff around. I want to drive up to my friend or relative, have them chuck their stuff in the boot, they get in, and we drive away. That’s what I want to do.

So I do it… the arrivee is told to get the escalator or lift up to Departures, and go wait at the kerb there. Works a treat.

Rawhide Kid Part3 said :

People will do desperate things to avoid paying for parking.

You shouldn’t have to pay for this situation.

Especially with the lack of vaible public transport options. I think it is outrageous!

I want to welcome home a loved one or see a loved one off on their journey without having a 10 minute time limit. And to add to the insult if its raining there is no cover to get to or from the terminal or for passengers to wait without getting wet.

Im happy to pay if the infrastructure is there to support it or if i am there longer than it is reasonably expected to complete a drop off or farwell / pickup and welcome. this is a blatent grab for cash.

Maybe we should ask the truckies coming to town to bypass the airport on monday – kill the protest bird with one truck (so to speak).

aceofspades said :

It is a ridiculous rip off that you can’t avoid paying $2 for 5 minutes parking to pick someone up from the airport.

You can, you just need to park in the “10 minutes free” area. Now the 10 minutes free area takes a good couple of minutes to walk down to and back from the terminal, esp if you have bags. Furthermore unless your positive your within the 10 minutes you’ll need to get the machine to check your ticket, the nearest machine is a bit of a walk away. So after 10 minutes of walking, your time has expired. Need I mention that near the 10 minutes free area there is no undercover waiting area for people with bags?

aceofspades said :

It is a ridiculous rip off that you can’t avoid paying $2 for 5 minutes parking to pick someone up from the airport.

The first 10 minutes is free. It’s well signposted.

It is a ridiculous rip off that you can’t avoid paying $2 for 5 minutes parking to pick someone up from the airport.

People will do desperate things to avoid paying for parking.

Perfect excuse to have a 4WD….. 😛