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All you ever wanted to know about cycling in the ACT

johnboy 4 April 2011 38

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Oh happy day, Territory And Municipal Services have released a handy brochure guide to the rules surrounding cycling in Canberra.

Hopefully it will clear up some misconceptions.

Did you know we have hook turns in Canberra for bicycles?


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KB1971 KB1971 2:20 pm 06 Apr 11

Ko. said :

Jim Jones said :

perhaps you could let me know the last time someone was killed or critically injured by being hit by a cyclist and then I’ll get a bit worried.

8th of November 2007

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23420042-city-chief-dies-after-being-hit-by-cyclist.do

What a crock. The article says he was crossing the road & was hit by the cyclist. the cyclist was not arrested by police (assumption of innocence but case still open until they can account for all witness statements). At the end it talks about dangerous cycling & how cyclists can be charked with it.

Mmm, dude crosses the road, doesnt pay enough attention, gets hit by a cyclist. It could have been a car….same result.

I wonder what the final outcome of the investigation was, my bet is pedestrian fault which is the most common accuracne in these sorts of events.

Prooves your point though about a cyclist killing a pedestrian.

Ko. Ko. 2:01 pm 06 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

perhaps you could let me know the last time someone was killed or critically injured by being hit by a cyclist and then I’ll get a bit worried.

8th of November 2007

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23420042-city-chief-dies-after-being-hit-by-cyclist.do

Diggety Diggety 1:17 pm 06 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

Diggety said :

Where did Davo say the car drove away?

Or was that just your “cyclists can do no wrong” attitude kicking in?

From my humble observations; a cyclist is far more likely to run a red signal than a car, including me.

The bloke was t-boned by a car travelling through a red light doing about 60, he was hit so bad that he can’t remember the accident and is still recovering after 6 months, and no-one can find the driver responsible.

And yet you find this occurrence to be a perfect opportunity for you to lambast cyclists and their ‘can do no wrong’ attitudes.

There’s something not quite right there.

“…and no-one can find the driver responsible”. Ah, Jimbo Jones. Davo111 did not say that, you’re making assumptions again!

“There were no witnesses and he cant remember the accident so they didnt/couldnt charge the person with going through the red light.” -Davo111.

So if you personally know more about this particular accident, tell us. Otherwise, stop telling porky-pies.

I think that is a pretty good demonstration of your “cyclists can do no wrong attitiude” if you:
a) make up a hit-and-run scenario in head,
b) can’t/won’t admit you were wrong, and
c) are surprised at me accusing you of being over defensive of cyclists.

Hypocracy bells are ringing Jim.

So consider this:
1. a car t-boned a cyclist at a traffic light intersection
2. the cyclist cannot remember anything
3. There were no witnesses
4. Hence, it is unclear who was responsible for the accident

How do we know the cyclist did not run a red signal? You are automatically trusting the cyclist- who can’t remember anything- where it could have been the cyclist at fault!

*I more often cycle than drive and like I said before, we are far more likely to disobey traffic orders than motorists, especially red signals (IMHO).

chewy14 chewy14 11:24 am 06 Apr 11

Oh and infrastructure have a nice report on their website about cyclist deaths from 2006.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/safety/publications/2006/pdf/death_cyclists_road.pdf

Interestingly they found that cyclists were more often found to be at fault in the accident that caused their death.

chewy14 chewy14 11:17 am 06 Apr 11

Jim,
the comment says there was no witnesses and the guy doesn’t remember the accident.
I wasn’t there, you weren’t there, hell even the commenter wasn’t there.

As for cyclists going through red lights – perhaps you could let me know the last time someone was killed or critically injured by being hit by a cyclist and then I’ll get a bit worried.

Did you ever think that maybe it would be the cyclist themselves who are the ones killed due to going through the red light?
Cyclist hit and killed at intersection (either party at fault) is fairly common.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 10:39 am 06 Apr 11

Davo111 said :

Wallly1972 said :

Which ones?

A friend of mine got T-boned on his bike when crossing a road at traffic lights last year. Unfortunately there were no witnesses and he cant remember the accident so they didnt/couldnt charge the person with going through the red light. 6 months later still recovering from the accident. Apparently he was hit by the car at 60km/hr and is lucky to be alive.

so yeah, accidents do happen.

There you go. Why not read it this time?

Jim Jones Jim Jones 10:37 am 06 Apr 11

chewy14 said :

This guy may or may not have been hit by a dickhead going through a red light, sometimes shit happens.
Remember that the comment is also from one of his friends who says the guy doesn’t remember the accident.

And if you think the number of cars going through red lights is scary, then you must be absolutely petrified by the amount of cyclists that find no problem going through them at every intersection they pass.

The post explicity said that the bloke was t-boned by a driver going through a red light. If you choose not to believe that, then why bother even engaging in discussion about it?

As for cyclists going through red lights – perhaps you could let me know the last time someone was killed or critically injured by being hit by a cyclist and then I’ll get a bit worried.

chewy14 chewy14 9:42 am 06 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

Diggety said :

Where did Davo say the car drove away?

Or was that just your “cyclists can do no wrong” attitude kicking in?

From my humble observations; a cyclist is far more likely to run a red signal than a car, including me.

The bloke was t-boned by a car travelling through a red light doing about 60, he was hit so bad that he can’t remember the accident and is still recovering after 6 months, and no-one can find the driver responsible.

And yet you find this occurrence to be a perfect opportunity for you to lambast cyclists and their ‘can do no wrong’ attitudes.

There’s something not quite right there.

I didn’t know you were the investigating officer Jim Jones?

This guy may or may not have been hit by a dickhead going through a red light, sometimes shit happens.
Remember that the comment is also from one of his friends who says the guy doesn’t remember the accident.

And if you think the number of cars going through red lights is scary, then you must be absolutely petrified by the amount of cyclists that find no problem going through them at every intersection they pass.

KB1971 KB1971 9:38 am 06 Apr 11

Wallly1972 said :

isaidno said :

I don’t understand why anyone would ride on the road in Canberra. I have been able to ride anywhere I want in Canberra using the bike paths and I don’t have to worry about dangerous driving.

When I’m commuting it is much slower to use the bike paths / foot paths because:
1. having to stop at driveways
2. tighter corners / less visibility
3. giving way and slowing down for slower riders and pedestrians
4. rough and uneven surfaces
5. sometimes not direct.

Haven’t timed it but estimate at least 50% longer.
Life is full of risks 🙂

I find it not that much different. If I go up Adelaide Ave from Woden I only save 6 minutes on the cycle path through Curtin, Deakin, Yarralumla & LBG.

Apart from that, the bike path from Tuggers ony really deviation from the road around the lake.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 9:19 am 06 Apr 11

Diggety said :

Where did Davo say the car drove away?

Or was that just your “cyclists can do no wrong” attitude kicking in?

From my humble observations; a cyclist is far more likely to run a red signal than a car, including me.

The bloke was t-boned by a car travelling through a red light doing about 60, he was hit so bad that he can’t remember the accident and is still recovering after 6 months, and no-one can find the driver responsible.

And yet you find this occurrence to be a perfect opportunity for you to lambast cyclists and their ‘can do no wrong’ attitudes.

There’s something not quite right there.

Wallly1972 Wallly1972 4:54 pm 05 Apr 11

isaidno said :

I don’t understand why anyone would ride on the road in Canberra. I have been able to ride anywhere I want in Canberra using the bike paths and I don’t have to worry about dangerous driving.

When I’m commuting it is much slower to use the bike paths / foot paths because:
1. having to stop at driveways
2. tighter corners / less visibility
3. giving way and slowing down for slower riders and pedestrians
4. rough and uneven surfaces
5. sometimes not direct.

Haven’t timed it but estimate at least 50% longer.
Life is full of risks 🙂

isaidno isaidno 3:55 pm 05 Apr 11

I don’t understand why anyone would ride on the road in Canberra. I have been able to ride anywhere I want in Canberra using the bike paths and I don’t have to worry about dangerous driving.

Diggety Diggety 3:42 pm 05 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

Davo111 said :

Wallly1972 said :

Which ones?

A friend of mine got T-boned on his bike when crossing a road at traffic lights last year. Unfortunately there were no witnesses and he cant remember the accident so they didnt/couldnt charge the person with going through the red light. 6 months later still recovering from the accident. Apparently he was hit by the car at 60km/hr and is lucky to be alive.

so yeah, accidents do happen.

A car going through a red light and hitting a cyclist and driving away isn’t really an ‘accident’.

Scary the amount of cars that go through red lights these days. I swear I see at least one a day – not just going through the tail-end of an amber light, but full on chugging through a red light, with other cars having to wait during a green light.

I’m not sure if it’s become more prevalent or not, but I really notice it a hell of a lot more.

Jim Jones said :

Davo111 said :

Wallly1972 said :

Which ones?

A friend of mine got T-boned on his bike when crossing a road at traffic lights last year. Unfortunately there were no witnesses and he cant remember the accident so they didnt/couldnt charge the person with going through the red light. 6 months later still recovering from the accident. Apparently he was hit by the car at 60km/hr and is lucky to be alive.

so yeah, accidents do happen.

A car going through a red light and hitting a cyclist and driving away isn’t really an ‘accident’.

Scary the amount of cars that go through red lights these days. I swear I see at least one a day – not just going through the tail-end of an amber light, but full on chugging through a red light, with other cars having to wait during a green light.

I’m not sure if it’s become more prevalent or not, but I really notice it a hell of a lot more.

Where did Davo say the car drove away?

Or was that just your “cyclists can do no wrong” attitude kicking in?

From my humble observations; a cyclist is far more likely to run a red signal than a car, including me.

Davo111 Davo111 3:38 pm 05 Apr 11

Jim Jones said :

I’m not sure if it’s become more prevalent or not, but I really notice it a hell of a lot more.

for sure! stand on an intersection of northborne (and alinga, eloura etc) looking south – for 10-15 minutes and i can guarantee someone would break the lights. People are “a good few seconds” from the lights, they see it go yellow and they throttle it through the red.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 2:22 pm 05 Apr 11

Davo111 said :

Wallly1972 said :

Which ones?

A friend of mine got T-boned on his bike when crossing a road at traffic lights last year. Unfortunately there were no witnesses and he cant remember the accident so they didnt/couldnt charge the person with going through the red light. 6 months later still recovering from the accident. Apparently he was hit by the car at 60km/hr and is lucky to be alive.

so yeah, accidents do happen.

A car going through a red light and hitting a cyclist and driving away isn’t really an ‘accident’.

Scary the amount of cars that go through red lights these days. I swear I see at least one a day – not just going through the tail-end of an amber light, but full on chugging through a red light, with other cars having to wait during a green light.

I’m not sure if it’s become more prevalent or not, but I really notice it a hell of a lot more.

Grrrr Grrrr 2:10 pm 05 Apr 11

wildturkeycanoe said :

Stahmo, You’ve just won the argument for all those in favour of bicycle registration.

I would use this form, but will be missing the vital detail – vehicle registration number – without which no action can possibly be taken.

Having a registration number is of no consequence because a member of the public filling in a form (or making a phonecall) isn’t sufficient proof for the police to fine/charge a road user, regardless of the vehicle. Please come back when you’ve got a plan that hasn’t been debunked in each of the previous cycling threads here.

astrojax astrojax 12:30 pm 05 Apr 11

smiling politely said :

astrojax said :

all i ever wanted to know about cycling in the act i learned on the riotact…

Must admit a lot of the things I read hereabouts put me off the idea of riding to and from work.

well, with an astromonkey in tow, i am also more leery of riding to work (having been hit from behind in the first fifty metres of any road riding after 10ks on a path on my way home a couple years ago) – so i see your point when ferrying children.

Davo111 Davo111 12:14 pm 05 Apr 11

Wallly1972 said :

Which ones?

A friend of mine got T-boned on his bike when crossing a road at traffic lights last year. Unfortunately there were no witnesses and he cant remember the accident so they didnt/couldnt charge the person with going through the red light. 6 months later still recovering from the accident. Apparently he was hit by the car at 60km/hr and is lucky to be alive.

so yeah, accidents do happen.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 10:19 am 05 Apr 11

smiling politely said :

astrojax said :

all i ever wanted to know about cycling in the act i learned on the riotact…

Must admit a lot of the things I read hereabouts put me off the idea of riding to and from work.

If you allow ranting internet forums to shape your opinion of something without trying for yourself, then that’s your considerable loss.

It takes me 9-15 minutes to cycle into work if I take the most direct route on the road. I choose extensive detours around the lake not only to avoid the worst of the roads, but to improve the view, prolong the journey, and provide an hour of exercise before I get to work.

If you don’t mind detours, there’s always a way to bypass stress points on a route.

Wallly1972 Wallly1972 10:00 am 05 Apr 11

smiling politely said :

Must admit a lot of the things I read hereabouts put me off the idea of riding to and from work.

Which ones?

I regularly ride 12k on the road to work and have never had an accident.
The roads are good – there is only one stretch (Eastern Valley Way) that is fast and narrow – the rest I think is safe – so long as you are visible and sensible.

On my trip there is one roundabout where I go in the middle of the lane – I’m going fast so not too much inconvenience; and I do the same for a right turn. The motorists all seem to be pretty happy about it.

IMHO accidents usually occur when cyclists do something that the motorists are not expecting – either because the motorist is not paying attention / not cyclist aware AND/OR the cyclist does somthing sudden / unusual / dangerous / illegal.

I’ve never experienced road rage and only a couple of times have motorists been rude – I agree, not the picture you’d get from reading RA!

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