Alleged underage sexual assault

johnboy 10 August 2013 65

A 20-year-old man will face court this morning (Saturday, August 10) over an alleged sexual assault of a child under the age of 16.

Police will allege the offence occurred in July this year.

The man attended the Woden Police Station yesterday (Friday, August 9), where he was interviewed by detectives from Criminal Investigations Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Team (SACAT).

He was arrested and taken to the ACT Watch House, where he was charged with one count of sexual intercourse with a young person.

The man will face the ACT Magistrates Court this morning.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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dkNigs dkNigs 10:37 am 13 Aug 13

JC said :

Spiral said :

JC said :

Aeek said :

JC said :

Actually the road laws are uniform around the country.

If you think that, then you don’t know the road rules. There are STILL differences.

Such as? Please give some examples.

Speed limits for L-Platers is probably the most obvious.

Does the varying hours from state to state for school zones count?

Are the Melbourne hook turns only a Vic rule, or a rule everywhere but just with no other state having them.

I thought two of those would be your responses.

Firstly with different limits for L and P platters, these lower limits are licence conditions not road rules, same too with limitations on power etc.

You do realise the L plater speed limits in NSW have only been limited to a licence condition for a month now? Before that every L plater from any state had to do 80kmph in NSW. When they updated the legislation to 90kmph, they (probably mistakenly copied from the P legislation) reworded it to state “if issued in NSW”. Even then the NSW RTA haven’t acknowledged the new legislation and still think all L platers should be doing the NSW limit.

bundah bundah 10:04 am 13 Aug 13

BimboGeek said :

John that’s an excellent point and all the men involved are clearly disturbed.

The one in the story is particularly icky.

I recall one Humbert Humbert carrying on with his excuses “but she seduced me!” Yes she did and as her step father you should have walked away. But his insanity is what makes the story so compelling. Getting into the mind of a pedophile you see why they can only be who they are.

The law recognises that everyone is different. I remember girls having sex at 14/15 and just thinking “ew no thank you” but they really did seem happy with their decision. So of course it’s impossible to decide that a 15 year old with a 25 year old boyfriend is horrifying and then for it to all be super hunky dunky a few months later when she turns 16.

So once one has reached the age of consent then according to the law it’s nobody’s business other than the consenting individuals involved regardless of the age difference or any moral position others wish to express.

IrishPete IrishPete 9:50 am 13 Aug 13

BimboGeek said :

John that’s an excellent point and all the men involved are clearly disturbed.

The one in the story is particularly icky.

I recall one Humbert Humbert carrying on with his excuses “but she seduced me!” Yes she did and as her step father you should have walked away. But his insanity is what makes the story so compelling. Getting into the mind of a pedophile you see why they can only be who they are.

The law recognises that everyone is different. I remember girls having sex at 14/15 and just thinking “ew no thank you” but they really did seem happy with their decision. So of course it’s impossible to decide that a 15 year old with a 25 year old boyfriend is horrifying and then for it to all be super hunky dunky a few months later when she turns 16.

It’s not “super hunky dunky” when she’s 16 either, it’s just legal. Like the difference between driving with a blood alcohol level of 0.05 and 0.049 – the cut off may be arbitrary, but you are pushing your luck at 0.049.

The question is not whether the girl had any regrets at age 15, but whether she will have any at age 18, 25, 35, 45 etc. In many cases they will.

IP

BimboGeek BimboGeek 9:40 am 13 Aug 13

John that’s an excellent point and all the men involved are clearly disturbed.

The one in the story is particularly icky.

I recall one Humbert Humbert carrying on with his excuses “but she seduced me!” Yes she did and as her step father you should have walked away. But his insanity is what makes the story so compelling. Getting into the mind of a pedophile you see why they can only be who they are.

The law recognises that everyone is different. I remember girls having sex at 14/15 and just thinking “ew no thank you” but they really did seem happy with their decision. So of course it’s impossible to decide that a 15 year old with a 25 year old boyfriend is horrifying and then for it to all be super hunky dunky a few months later when she turns 16.

bundah bundah 9:33 am 13 Aug 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Young teens shouldn’t be having sex anyway.

Not before 18 and then only in the missionary position…

steveu steveu 9:28 am 13 Aug 13

What seriously worries me is the number of people who have posted here thinking there are grey areas here, and sometimes its OK.

BimboGeek BimboGeek 9:19 am 13 Aug 13

Jesus IP you have the wrong end of the stick! Of course they broke up well before she finished school. He was 25 and dating a 15 year old! He was obviously immature as hell and she was doomed to outgrow him very quickly. It worked for a little while and it was what she wanted for a little while.

I know of much creepier examples of girls around 14 running off with men around 40 and even then they are obviously prostituting themselves for cigarettes and alcohol as you say but if police take statements and everyone agrees they just had a mad Jenga tournament, what can they possibly do? BTW this was Victoria where at least at the time adults were permitted to supervise their kids’ introduction to alcohol and restaurants were permitted to serve wine with dinner to any age so alcohol access isn’t exactly a problem.

I like that this is being solved with grooming laws by the way. Some of this stuff really disturbed me at the time.

    johnboy johnboy 9:23 am 13 Aug 13

    Heya BG, I think part of IP’s point is that as a man you’re nuts to put your entire life into the fickle hands of a 14 year old.

thebrownstreak69 thebrownstreak69 9:05 am 13 Aug 13

Young teens shouldn’t be having sex anyway. Have a childhood, FFS.

bundah bundah 9:02 am 13 Aug 13

JC said :

BimboGeek said :

But police are very good at telling the difference between an unconventional relationship that works and abuse. Smart kids who know what they are doing also know that they can go to Court and say, “But we didn’t have sex” and nobody can dispute it, so there’s no point prosecuting them.

I wonder if the same would still apply in this day and age? After all there are now laws about grooming, which might come into play with the situation you described above.

Whereas in Germany they are much more relaxed about the age difference:

as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14–15 year-old person’s lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense in and of itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 14, although provisions protecting minors against abuse apply until the age of 18 (under section Section 182 it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with a person under 18 “by taking advantage of an exploitative situation”

JC JC 7:10 am 13 Aug 13

BimboGeek said :

But police are very good at telling the difference between an unconventional relationship that works and abuse. Smart kids who know what they are doing also know that they can go to Court and say, “But we didn’t have sex” and nobody can dispute it, so there’s no point prosecuting them.

I wonder if the same would still apply in this day and age? After all there are now laws about grooming, which might come into play with the situation you described above.

IrishPete IrishPete 4:14 am 13 Aug 13

BimboGeek said :

When I was 15 we were the misfit group. Mostly because we were flavours of geekiness although one friend was just well rounded and really sensible for 15. She liked us because we didn’t go in for much of the petty social games other teenagers play. Her boyfriend was 25 and probably a little young for his age but it all worked out at the time because they complimented each other well.

Calling him a child abuser is a complete lie because there was no imbalance in their relationship and she was very deliberately dating outside her age group.

But police are very good at telling the difference between an unconventional relationship that works and abuse. Smart kids who know what they are doing also know that they can go to Court and say, “But we didn’t have sex” and nobody can dispute it, so there’s no point prosecuting them.

unless you have stayed in touch with both people for decades and are absolutely certain that both are now still health and well-adjusted, then you don’t really know. maybe when she stopped wearing school uniform he ditched her and found another schoolgirl. there was, by definition, a power imbalance – he had money, he could drive, buy alcohol and cigarettes.

maybe you are right and this couple are now happily married decades later, but if so they represent the exception not the rule. now, he would be tried, convicted and placed on the child sex offences register. in fact, if she made a historical complaint now, that still could happen. worth the risk boys?

In my experience police are unlikely to ignore a complaint such as the one you describe, so if the man and girl want to avoid him being convicted they may have to go as far as committing perjury in court.

IP

7captains 7captains 2:50 am 13 Aug 13

Ok back to the original article here, and to give some of you PERSPECTIVE:

2 things wrong with this story:
– incest
– a 12 year old is usually is either YEAR 6 or YEAR 7- over the last few years more and more parents are choosing to hold their children back, so let’s she’s in the LAST YEAR OF PRIMARY SCHOOL
– he is 20, assume he’s at uni, assume he’s gone from year 12 straight through..

A 3rd year uni student sleeping with a primary schooler???? We’re not talking about how mature or wild you were at the end of high school sleeping with someone a few years older than you.

Nice off topic arguments, but hey this guy in THIS situation needs to be locked up.

Aeek Aeek 12:20 am 13 Aug 13

JC said :

Aeek said :

JC said :

Actually the road laws are uniform around the country.

If you think that, then you don’t know the road rules. There are STILL differences.

Such as? Please give some examples.

For one, cyclists share bus lanes in SA. Not sure why this is part of this thread.

Aeek Aeek 12:11 am 13 Aug 13

JC said :

PS, yes the argument may well be pedantic, but as mentioned the road rules are common across the country, even if the actual ACTs of law are different in each state.

Except they DO have minor differences, which aren’t so minor if they impact you directly.

BimboGeek BimboGeek 10:46 pm 12 Aug 13

When I was 15 we were the misfit group. Mostly because we were flavours of geekiness although one friend was just well rounded and really sensible for 15. She liked us because we didn’t go in for much of the petty social games other teenagers play. Her boyfriend was 25 and probably a little young for his age but it all worked out at the time because they complimented each other well.

Calling him a child abuser is a complete lie because there was no imbalance in their relationship and she was very deliberately dating outside her age group.

But police are very good at telling the difference between an unconventional relationship that works and abuse. Smart kids who know what they are doing also know that they can go to Court and say, “But we didn’t have sex” and nobody can dispute it, so there’s no point prosecuting them.

JC JC 9:49 pm 12 Aug 13

PS, yes the argument may well be pedantic, but as mentioned the road rules are common across the country, even if the actual ACTs of law are different in each state.

JC JC 9:47 pm 12 Aug 13

IrishPete said :

JC said :

bundah said :

So while the Australian Road Rules provide rules to be followed by all road users they do not provide all the rules to be followed by road users eg drink driving which comes under a different law.

Correct, but those laws are not road rules. In the ACT the act that covers drink and drug driving is the “Road Transport (Alcohol and Drugs) ACT 1977”, but as mentioned these are separate from the actual road rules, along with the laws that cover penalties for breaking the road rules.

This seems like a rather pedantic argument about whether they are Road Rules or road rules. And it doesn’t have a lot to do with young men preying on even younger girls, so how about it you take it elsewhere folks?

IP

Last time I looked this was a discussion board. Now not sure what kind of boring discussions you have, but I know the discussion I have start with something, someone else mentions something else and the conversation deviates. May I suggest if you are not happy with the direction the conversation took you tune out?

Alderney Alderney 8:28 pm 12 Aug 13

I thought all the talk turned to cars and road rules because young people like to have sex in cars…

IrishPete IrishPete 7:44 pm 12 Aug 13

JC said :

bundah said :

So while the Australian Road Rules provide rules to be followed by all road users they do not provide all the rules to be followed by road users eg drink driving which comes under a different law.

Correct, but those laws are not road rules. In the ACT the act that covers drink and drug driving is the “Road Transport (Alcohol and Drugs) ACT 1977”, but as mentioned these are separate from the actual road rules, along with the laws that cover penalties for breaking the road rules.

This seems like a rather pedantic argument about whether they are Road Rules or road rules. And it doesn’t have a lot to do with young men preying on even younger girls, so how about it you take it elsewhere folks?

IP

JC JC 6:02 pm 12 Aug 13

bundah said :

So while the Australian Road Rules provide rules to be followed by all road users they do not provide all the rules to be followed by road users eg drink driving which comes under a different law.

Correct, but those laws are not road rules. In the ACT the act that covers drink and drug driving is the “Road Transport (Alcohol and Drugs) ACT 1977”, but as mentioned these are separate from the actual road rules, along with the laws that cover penalties for breaking the road rules.

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