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Annoying Belconnen Helicopter ?

By kaitaz - 20 May 2012 212

Does anybody know why there has been a helecopter circling the Belconnen/Northside area for the past few hours?

It is about 1:30 am and the noise has left me awake pondering if there is a legitimate or even necessary reason for its flight path. This has been a regular occurrence for the past 4 or so nights.

It does not sound like a military chopper (although I may be mistaken), and I an pretty sure it is not the SouthCare chopper either.


ED – Dot3 also sent in this post:

So what is it for????

….. it’s callsign is FEDPOL 21


UPDATE 21/05/12 10:50: eq2 has sent in this info:

flight paths

The circles around Belconnen were flown at around 1am.
Flight altitude was sustained at 4700ft for both flights.
Flights like these have not occurred on previous Saturdays.

data source: http://webtrak.bksv.com/cbr

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Tooks 9:03 am 21 May 12

Talk about jumping to conclusions. Troutfisher is on the money (see post 31) regarding the activities of the chopper. I can’t believe what some people whine about. First world problems indeed.

Probably the AFP spending some of their budget before the end of the financial year…

HenryBG 8:11 am 21 May 12

eq2 said :

Also see http://earth-api-samples.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/external/marcin_cameralookat.html to see what the world looks like at 6000 ft

And from 700km up, IR gives you this:
http://sentinel1.ga.gov.au/Sentinel/imf.jsp

troutfisher said :

I can’t image any sane person would think these were just laws. Just for my knowledge, which level drug do you intend drawing a line at.

Well, they did try drawing the line below alcohol there for a while.
I don’t know if your subjective opinion would consider that a “just law” or not, but it certainly was an abject failure which gave a massive boost to organised crime.
With the failure of Prohibition, the line was redrawn above alcohol, but below cannabis. That too has proven an abject failure and given a massive boost to organised crime.

Obviously the line will have to be redrawn. Again.

Let us hope they use some evidence-based decisionmaking, this time, rather than falling, again, for the dishonest industry-funded lobbying campaign that obtained the prohibition on cannabis in the first place.

Deref 7:59 am 21 May 12

Does anyone know what it costs to keep a helicopter like this in the air?

I really have no idea, but an all-up cost including amortisation, maintenance and staffing of, maybe, $10k per hour wouldn’t surprise me.

dvaey 2:34 am 21 May 12

troutfisher said :

I can’t image any sane person would think these were just laws. Just for my knowledge, which level drug do you intend drawing a line at.

What about one that causes actual harm? Nicotine and Alcohol are legal, but Cannabis is not? It is not just the stubborness of the government to relook at the issue, but the hypocrisy of having one dangerous substance legal while a similar significantly less dangerous substance is illegal.

eq2 12:50 am 21 May 12
eq2 12:49 am 21 May 12

troutfisher said :

Has anyone had the thought that in fact they may well be doing a number of things given the flight path. Just as a patrol car will move about from job to job the flying patrol car is able to:

Most of these flights were at a sustained altitude of 6000 ft, the human eye can’t really see anything interesting from this height so it is impractical to do many of the “flying patrol car” activities that have been suggested, even with IR assistance. Technology assisted surveillance or training are the only two activities that I can think of that would be able to be performed at this height.

Back to the unusual flights – If you look at at flight FDPOL21 at 2130 18/5 on http://webtrak.bksv.com/cbr you’ll see that it actually flies until about 00:20, even though http://flightaware.com states it landed around 2353. It looks like flightaware does not accurately record landings after midnight. It flies over many parts of the ACT including the Macgregor and Northbourne areas twice.

Aside from drug surveillance, the only other interesting crime that I’m aware of in the Canberra is the copper thievery that has been occurring.

troutfisher 11:12 pm 20 May 12

Pasted from another thread:

ACT Policing is appealing to car owners to remove all valuables from their cars of an evening after a recent spate of thefts in Canberra’s south.

Between Thursday, May 10 and Sunday, May 13, eleven cars were broken into from a number of suburbs in the Tuggeranong area, including Isabella Plains, Kambah, Monash, Chisholm, Fadden, Gordon and Richardson.

The break-ins occurred overnight with most car windows being smashed and items of value stolen, such as GPS, iPods, cash and wallets. Some of the cars have had their steering column removed and wires have been found loose in an attempt by offenders to steal the car.

Officer-In-Charge of Tuggeranong Police Station, Sergeant Daryl Neit, asks for car owners to remove all valuables from their cars when they get home of an evening.

“If people remove their valuables from their cars of an evening, their car is less likely to become a target for thieves. Most crimes are ones of opportunity,” said Sergeant Neit.

“I would urge anyone who sees or hears suspicious activity in their neighbourhood to call police on 131-444 or Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.”

But don’t call if the sound of patrol cars going up and down your street might disturb you, or heaven pray the sound of a helicopter overhead being able to locate people with the FLIR. Thats is, unless, of course it’s your car then you won’t give a flying f%%k about disturbing your neighbours.

dvaey 11:04 pm 20 May 12

troutfisher said :

Has anyone had the thought that in fact they may well be doing a number of things given the flight path. Just as a patrol car will move about from job to job the flying patrol car is able to:

This has been suggested before, that the police could have used a helicopter in some instances in the past. By all means, a police helicopter can prove very useful for the reasons you have mentioned. However, flying around in circles between midnight and 1am on a one-off Saturday night hardly means anything. In a day or two, they’ll move the chopper on to somewhere else now that theyve collected their evidence.

They never intended to bring the chopper here to actually assist the Canberra community, otherwise there would have been much fun and fanfare about its arrival. It has snuck in quietly, gone about its business noisily at 1am while the community tries to sleep, then buggers off to find some more herbal criminals.

If it was legalised, far too many people would lose far too much money and power, both on the corrupt blackmarket and the corrupt enforcement sides, and a LOT of jobs would be lost, if the phantom menace was suddenly no longer a menace. An entire industry has been built upon the war-on-drugs, that would crumble if such a large number of citizens were no longer considered to be breaking the law.

troutfisher 11:04 pm 20 May 12

SHAG

“So you also agreed with Tasmanian police enforcing anti sodomy laws pre 1997, and Alabama police enforcing laws prohibiting interacial marriage (when that was illegal)?”

I can’t image any sane person would think these were just laws. Just for my knowledge, which level drug do you intend drawing a line at.

basketofcat 10:57 pm 20 May 12

The flightaware site shows that there’s a raaf 737 coming in from Indonesia tomorrow morning. The chopper could just be checking things ahead that plane landing.

(I’d never heard off BBJ planes before! I want one.)

troutfisher 10:31 pm 20 May 12

Has anyone had the thought that in fact they may well be doing a number of things given the flight path. Just as a patrol car will move about from job to job the flying patrol car is able to:

– check out incidents from the air, dismissing the need to tie up additional resources

-provide additional patrol support and officer security, even assisting in tracking people in the dark and catching those pesky “criminals” (ranging from people stealing on job sites to groups of kids causing issues in possibly YOUR street) that everyone complains about

– search for missing people and for an example being able to check open drains and dark reserves, saving hours for offiers on the ground.

– assisting in following suspicious, even stolen cars without the need to have patrol cars becoming involved until the car has stopped. It always fascinates me to read about idiots complaining about police causing potential accidents by chasing people, but then complain if there is an alternative and it causes them some mild disturbance.

I would almost bet the people on here complaining about the noise are the same people who complain about roads being shut off when there is an accident (“But I always go home this way”) or that the cops don’t do anything about the criminal damage in their local park or some other issue that they are affected by. I wonder if the helicopter was able to track some scrote coming out of theer house with some item they considered very special, would the noise be an issue.

As for the suggestion about setting up sensors to turn off at the sound of rotor blades, I’m sure Southcare would become a real pain in the date, not even taking into account that the sensor would need to be able to see into the future for a few hours to let the heat escape.

SHAG 10:26 pm 20 May 12

buzz819 said :

HenryBG said :

buzz819 said :

HenryBG said :

If you have a few 1000W bulbs on in your shed then your shed will be glowing very bright in the infrared spectrum. Easy to spot at night.

Good to know all the crime in Canberra has been solved and the cops now have time to devote to busting cannabis growers.

Imagine how much money would be saved – and revenue raised – if those growers were licensed, not subjected to police persecution, and paying taxes just like any other grower?

How dare the Police target the people breaking the law… I mean I wonder what the causal link between drug dealing and street violence is? (Sarcasm by the way)

Precisely my point – if there were no law against this harmless behaviour, then a whole bunch of people who are currently criminalised because they prefer cannabis to alcohol or caffeine wouldn’t be breaking any laws, ergo, there would be a lot less crime if cannabis were legalised.

At this moment in time, it is against the law, Police around to enforce the law, the government decides the law. So at the moment, the Police are trying to stop all the antisocial behaviour which is related to drug offences, which includes, street violence, burglary, prostitution and robberies, until the time comes that the government changes the law, there is nothing the Police can do but target the growers, dealers and users. Sounds reasonable to me.

So you also agreed with Tasmanian police enforcing anti sodomy laws pre 1997, and Alabama police enforcing laws prohibiting interacial marriage (when that was illegal)?

HenryBG 10:05 pm 20 May 12

buzz819 said :

So at the moment, the Police are trying to stop all the antisocial behaviour which is related to drug offences, which includes, street violence, burglary, prostitution and robberies, ……

Yes, and I’m paying for them to do all this work enforcing laws which create all that work by

a) unnecessarily criminalising large segments of society
b) creating a black economy which directly assists organised crime to flourish

And I reserve the right to call out laws which do not work, have never worked, cause far more problems than the problems they abjectly fail to solve, cost me money, and, worst of all, have absolutely zero evidence-base to support their imposition or continuation.

Deckard 9:11 pm 20 May 12

How hard would it be to pick out the heat signature of some strong light bulbs from all the heated houses out there in a very cold Canberra night?

buzz819 9:11 pm 20 May 12

HenryBG said :

buzz819 said :

HenryBG said :

If you have a few 1000W bulbs on in your shed then your shed will be glowing very bright in the infrared spectrum. Easy to spot at night.

Good to know all the crime in Canberra has been solved and the cops now have time to devote to busting cannabis growers.

Imagine how much money would be saved – and revenue raised – if those growers were licensed, not subjected to police persecution, and paying taxes just like any other grower?

How dare the Police target the people breaking the law… I mean I wonder what the causal link between drug dealing and street violence is? (Sarcasm by the way)

Precisely my point – if there were no law against this harmless behaviour, then a whole bunch of people who are currently criminalised because they prefer cannabis to alcohol or caffeine wouldn’t be breaking any laws, ergo, there would be a lot less crime if cannabis were legalised.

At this moment in time, it is against the law, Police around to enforce the law, the government decides the law. So at the moment, the Police are trying to stop all the antisocial behaviour which is related to drug offences, which includes, street violence, burglary, prostitution and robberies, until the time comes that the government changes the law, there is nothing the Police can do but target the growers, dealers and users. Sounds reasonable to me.

stonedwookie 9:09 pm 20 May 12

wanna know the truth?
they were looking for johnboy, Aliens, and reptoid tunnel entraces

goggles13 9:03 pm 20 May 12

talk about a first world problem….

dundle 8:40 pm 20 May 12

theforce said :

Excuse me as a put my anorak on.

If you go to http://www.flightaware.com, and search for either FEDPOL21 or FDPOL21 in the Flight/Tail# field on the left, you can see its flightpath over the last few weeks. Some interesting flight paths over large swathes of Canberra.

Wow! FDPOL21 did some really loopy paths, that’s bizarre.

I heard it too and it was extremely irritating because it wasn’t just transient, the noise kept going! I also wondered what it was. Are they really looking for drugs????

PoQ 8:33 pm 20 May 12

LSWCHP said :

It just flew over my house as I was typing!! How cool is that?

[tinfoil hat on]

Riot Act posters are a known bunch of degenerates. What were you doing online?

[tinfoil hat off

xperfect_darkx 8:20 pm 20 May 12

I heard it last night in Chapman, heard it come over a few times, first time I thought it was just SouthCare or something, but then I heard it a few more times and got curious. This clears it all up a bit.

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