28 May 2012

Another ADFA cadet arrested for sexual offences

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A 21-year-old Australian Defence Force Academy (ADFA) cadet has been arrested following an incident at ADFA earlier this month.

Police will allege that on Sunday, May 6 the man entered the room of a female officer cadet and committed acts of indecency upon her.

On Sunday, May 27 the man was arrested and taken to the ACT Watch House where he received bail.

He will appear at the ACT Magistrates Court on Tuesday, May 29 2012.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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I do not wish to depict all soldiers as horrible people, i don’t think lions are horrid, just dangerous. Obviously the ADF is quite good at training people to still be able to interact with civilians, as the collective testimony here will attest, all I am saying is that some people will inevitably crack during that training.

As for there being good people and bad people, I don’t believe that for an instant. There are very few people in this world who are “bad”, there are just different kinds of good. A muslim extremist is not evil, they are doing what seems good to them.

I put it to you that the best way to “combat” these other kinds of good is to reconcile the differences between their idea of good and our idea of good. Killing someone’s family and friends is never going to convince them that your ideas are good. Violence only ever begets violence, while it might buy some period of enforced peace, ultimately that victory is pyric, since it comes at the cost of justifying violence, which will ultimately convince others to use violence against us.

Given that globaly terrorists have killed orders of magnitude less people than the “coalition of the willing”, their idea of good seems actually to result in less deaths than our idea of good, no matter how we demonise their ideology. Furthermore, who was the initial agressor? Was it the strikes on 911? No, the british have been invading countries and overthrowing governments in the middle east for centuries. The Americans have invaded and overthrown more countries than anyone else in the past century. If “good” were determined by peacefulness, our allies would be some of the most evil empires ever constructed. So how is good determined, what makes us good?

I do not buy the line that we need violent men to protect us, if anything history has shown our violent men are the most frequent reason we get attacked. The “terrorists” don’t hate us for our “freedoms”, they hate us because we keep attacking and suppressing them, overthrowing their democratically elected governments and replacing them with puppet dictatorships, and when those puppets turn against us, we destroy them and replace them with another puppet.

Invading them again, overthrowing their governments again, killing their families again, none of that will win us peace. “There is no path to peace, peace is the path.”

basketofcat said :

BerraBoy68 said :

The military is full of people who are trained to stop those who seek to do nasty things to the innocent, like you.

Pre-emptive and proactive defence is such a nice policy, isn’t it?

Who invaded Poland? Whose army raped 67% of East Timor’s females over the age of 11? Who blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas?

Wasn’t us.

You basically have no idea what you’re talking about. There are bad guys, and there are good guys. If you can’t tell the difference, that makes you an idiot.

BerraBoy68 said :

The military is full of people who are trained to stop those who seek to do nasty things to the innocent, like you.

Pre-emptive and proactive defence is such a nice policy, isn’t it? Such a good thing DFAT, AusAID, etc don’t get in the way, and aren’t attractive places at which to work. Would be a terrible world.

Truthiness said :

Recruits are put through a process where they dehumanise fellow humans and elevate their own value beyond that of others, and that is especially true of officers.

This is contrary to my experience dealing with the ADF as a civilian. Sure, there are some who think the sun comes out when they bend over, but they usually grow out of that or they don’t rise very far.

I’m thinking ‘truthiness’ needs to change their name to ‘opinionated’.

I’ve spent the best part of my life so far working with Defence in a variety of roles, that is in uniform, as a consultant and as a pubic servant. Russell is populated by a variety of civil and Defence people with a wide range of beliefs and backgrounds. Describing all Defence people as killers does them a great disservice.

Far from being de-humanised, the majority of those in uniform (from my actual experience, and having worked in the Navy and Army) are no different to the average civilian, they just have a more action packed and dangerous job. This in uniform (especially those at Russell, Campbell Park, BP or anywhere else they work) tend to be more loyal, more driven, more professional and more trustworthy than many non-uniformed people I’ve met and worked with.

In fact they also tend to be devoted to their families and are, surprisingly, less quick to temper instead relying on reasoned arguments to make their point. Sure, a high number of very junior servicemen live with weapons within arms reach, but that’s life on operations. Try being caught out by insurgents, rebels etc. when your weapon is 50 meters away… it won’t end well. The fact that these guys very rarely fire off a round accidentally (that’s what we call a negligent discharge, Truthiness), despite their weapons being loaded speaks to their discipline and professionalism. The punishment for such dangerous incidents is high for the individual concerned.

I also encourage you to look back through newspapers and count the incidents where service personnel have helped catch criminals, or saved life’s of innocent people and even delivered babies, due to their excellent first aid and life-saving training. It’d be hard for you to hard to argue these folk are de-humanised.

As for your wild generalisation that “compared to the average non-combatant, they aren’t all that nice, primarily because they shoot people and non-combatants don’t”. Go to any prison in Aust and count how many of those in there for murder, assault with a deadly weapon or any other anti-social crime are ex-serviceman. Chances are they are almost exclusively ‘non-combatants’.

Prisons are full of people who were never trained to do nasty things but do them anyway – argue that one. The military is full of people who are trained to stop those who seek to do nasty things to the innocent, like you.

Truthiness said :

I didn’t say the ADF policy was boots on necks,

I am saying things are only as nice as what they do. Its all well and good to say Australian soldiers are nice, and compared to other country’s soldiers that may be true. But compared to the average non-combatant, they aren’t all that nice, primarily because they shoot people and non-combatants don’t.

A pair of boots might be lovely, it might be the nicest pair of boots ever made, but if they are stepping on your head, they aren’t really all that nice are they?

Now Australian troops don’t typically stomp on heads as much as say the yanks do, but the role of soldiers is essentially to stomp on heads. So saying soldiers are nice is like saying a lion is nice, maybe compared to other lions they are nice, you might even get a cuddle, but when it comes down to it, they’ll rip your face off, and that is not very nice.

All of this leads back to my initial point, which is: You can’t train people to do nasty things and then be surprised when they do nasty things. Recruits are put through a process where they dehumanise fellow humans and elevate their own value beyond that of others, and that is especially true of officers. So you get a bunch of young people, elevate them above everyone else, teach them to treat human life as a commodity, and then wonder why they treat others like shit.

It should come as no surprise when they then dehumanise and objectify others, and while we can try to limit it, ultimately they will always go through the dehumanisation process, because thats what we want them to do, without that disconnect from their humanity they can’t be truly effective killers, or leaders.

Well I saw the bit where you said “saying Australian troops are nice is like saying Australian boots are nice, it doesn’t mean much when they are standing on your neck.”, which was exemplified by the yarn about Soldiers Behaving Badly. I interpreted that as describing the ADF involvement in East Timor as a brutal occupation with “boots on necks”, supported govenment policy in that direction. Maybe that’s not your intent, but that’s how it came across to me.

If you’re intent was to point out that getting young men to spend their formative years learning to be cold-hearted ruthless killers will distort their personalities and make them “interesting”, then you’ll get no argument from me. I spent some time in the game, and I was given praise, accolades and promotion because of my excellent killing abilities. That may sound weird, but that’s what the armed forces are about – killing people.

The experience changed me enormously, and probably not for the better, but it is what it is. However, like most ADF members (returning to the OP) regardless of the changes to my personality brought about by my military training, I’ve never, ever felt the urge to molest women.

I spoke recently to the guy who runs the ADF personnel department – a RAAF officer whose name now escapes me. He acknowledged the difficulty of recruiting people into the killing trades, but said that most recruits are able to rationalise it one way or another and almost all of them operate within the normal bounds of our society throughout their lives. But it’s very important that they weed out those who really, really, really want to Kill, Pillage and Plunder. His point, which I agree with, was that people who behave badly in the ADF are generally people who will behave badly anywhere, regardless of their military training. Everybody else is pretty normal, apart from some unusual skills that they don’t use in normal life.

I could go on and on about this, but I’m already in the seventeen post nutbag zone, so I’ll let someone else have a go.

PBO said :

Just back on the original topic, he was not even an Australian service-person.

This may or may not change the bearing of this discussion.

I vote we invade whichever country he came from and make them pay.

I didn’t say the ADF policy was boots on necks,

I am saying things are only as nice as what they do. Its all well and good to say Australian soldiers are nice, and compared to other country’s soldiers that may be true. But compared to the average non-combatant, they aren’t all that nice, primarily because they shoot people and non-combatants don’t.

A pair of boots might be lovely, it might be the nicest pair of boots ever made, but if they are stepping on your head, they aren’t really all that nice are they?

Now Australian troops don’t typically stomp on heads as much as say the yanks do, but the role of soldiers is essentially to stomp on heads. So saying soldiers are nice is like saying a lion is nice, maybe compared to other lions they are nice, you might even get a cuddle, but when it comes down to it, they’ll rip your face off, and that is not very nice.

All of this leads back to my initial point, which is: You can’t train people to do nasty things and then be surprised when they do nasty things. Recruits are put through a process where they dehumanise fellow humans and elevate their own value beyond that of others, and that is especially true of officers. So you get a bunch of young people, elevate them above everyone else, teach them to treat human life as a commodity, and then wonder why they treat others like shit.

It should come as no surprise when they then dehumanise and objectify others, and while we can try to limit it, ultimately they will always go through the dehumanisation process, because thats what we want them to do, without that disconnect from their humanity they can’t be truly effective killers, or leaders.

Just back on the original topic, he was not even an Australian service-person.

This may or may not change the bearing of this discussion.

Jim Jones said :

PBO said :

I’m going to sit back and watch this one as LSWCHP and Thumper are doing a grand job of nailing down reality.

Curiously, what was your role in East Timor Truthiness?

I support Australian military action in East Timor – but do you really think that there aren’t any d***heads in the military? That public relations can’t be improved?

The dude has related one instance where there were jerkwads doing what jerkwads do, and it’s being denied because ‘it’s a rifle, not a gun’, ‘they’re soldiers, not flower arrangers’ (WTF does this mean? It’s okay to be a jerkwad if you’re in the army?)

How about a dose of actual reality – in which the black and white view of the armed forces is recognised to be a little more grey.

Or are we all gonna keep fawning over the immortal diggers who can do no wrong and are the eternal guardians of freedom?

Standard tactics, hey Jim? Dump on people for saying things that they never said. Goebbels was a master of that sort of nonsense too, but it doesn’t always work.

I never said there were no dickheads in the military. I’ve known heaps of them. I believe ADF PR can certainly be improved. I never stated anywhere that diggers can do no wrong (quite the opposite) or that they’re eternal guardians of freedom. Whenever you attempt to put words in my mouth like that, I’ll clarify your obfuscations before I continue, so it might save us all a lot of time if you don’t do it.

Anyway…

The first para of what Truthiness wrote was a little yarn about drunk obnoxious soldiers stirring up the locals in a pub while armed with machine guns and live ammo.

In my response, I acknowledged that there may well have been some drunk diggers behaving badly. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time. But the “machine gun” bit was very important because it was simply impossible. Groups of Australian soldiers aren’t armed with machine guns, so it seemed very likely that there was a little poetic licence at work there, to make the story sound better. After all, a story about a group of drunks at Mooseheads doesn’t sound nearly as interesting as a group of drunks at Mooseheads carrying machine guns, does it?

More importantly, the theme of what Truthiness was writing about was summed up in his last, offensive, para about Australian boots on other peoples necks. Going from a bunch of individual diggers behaving badly in a pub (with or without machine guns) to boots on people’s necks as national policy seems to be drawing a pretty long bow.

We seemed to have travelled quite a distance from an ADFA cadet behaving badly. 🙂

LSWCHP said :

All the killing machines from Kapooka would be an easily defeated rabble without the presence of the ADFA graduates who get all the weapons pointed in the right direction at the right time.

That’s not how the Australian Army works. The killing machines get the job done *despite* the pricks covered in pigeon-poo trying to hinder them.
As you should well know, these junior officers you refer to are told exactly what to do by their platoon sergeants.

Jim Jones said :

PBO said :

Jim Jones said :

You might as well be arguing over whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable.

Its a fruit, but thats beside the point.

It’s not a particularly fruity fruit.

Potato is possibly not a veggie either, but a tuber. Corn isnt a vegetable but a grain and mushrooms are just fungi. Does anyone know of any more of these issues that affect us everyday as this is way more interesting than the weekly ADFA goings on.

Truthiness said :

I googled the F88 Austeyr, thats the thing all right, still looked like a machine gun to me, so I did some research. Apparently “assault rifles” are the type of gun inbetween a “light machine gun” and a “submachine gun”, and yet they aren’t machine guns. Except in the US, where any fully automatic weapon is a machinegun under their gun laws. Truly confusing, I suppose these kinds of distinctions make a difference when you are buying so many thousands of them, seems like nitpicking to me.

Haven’t you seen Full Metal Jacket?

“This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun”.

🙂

PBO said :

Jim Jones said :

You might as well be arguing over whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable.

Its a fruit, but thats beside the point.

It’s not a particularly fruity fruit.

PBO said :

I’m going to sit back and watch this one as LSWCHP and Thumper are doing a grand job of nailing down reality.

Curiously, what was your role in East Timor Truthiness?

I support Australian military action in East Timor – but do you really think that there aren’t any d***heads in the military? That public relations can’t be improved?

The dude has related one instance where there were jerkwads doing what jerkwads do, and it’s being denied because ‘it’s a rifle, not a gun’, ‘they’re soldiers, not flower arrangers’ (WTF does this mean? It’s okay to be a jerkwad if you’re in the army?)

How about a dose of actual reality – in which the black and white view of the armed forces is recognised to be a little more grey.

Or are we all gonna keep fawning over the immortal diggers who can do no wrong and are the eternal guardians of freedom?

Jim Jones said :

You might as well be arguing over whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable.

Its a fruit, but thats beside the point.

Oh I don’t know, I’d be suitably terrified if a few thousand flower arrangers came charging towards me. Those flowers might have thorns, or diseases, and who knows where their hands have been!

I googled the F88 Austeyr, thats the thing all right, still looked like a machine gun to me, so I did some research. Apparently “assault rifles” are the type of gun inbetween a “light machine gun” and a “submachine gun”, and yet they aren’t machine guns. Except in the US, where any fully automatic weapon is a machinegun under their gun laws. Truly confusing, I suppose these kinds of distinctions make a difference when you are buying so many thousands of them, seems like nitpicking to me.

I’m going to sit back and watch this one as LSWCHP and Thumper are doing a grand job of nailing down reality.

Curiously, what was your role in East Timor Truthiness?

Horrid beastly stinging things, hung on the shoulders of obnoxious drunken louts. I certainly met some nice Australian soldiers out rebuilding, but the lads in question would have been more suited to a bar fight at mooseheads than a small timorese resteraunt.

They are soldiers, not flower arrangers.

I’m pretty sure the Indons would not have run away so quickly if we sent a battalion of flower arrangers.

As for the weapon, what describe is an F88 Austeyr.

I was unaware that the choices for armed forces were so stark. So we can either have complete d1ckheads or ‘flower arrangers’.

I’ll go for the flower arrangers. I’ve met a few nice florists in my time who would probably do quite a capable job.

You might as well be arguing over whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable.

LSWCHP said :

Truthiness said :

I don’t know about guns, nor do I care to, they are vicious and barbaric tools specifically designed to kill humans. As far as I am concerned they were a machine and a gun, you can define it however you want to.

I’ve spent most of my working life making sure the details are right. So I know this will sound pedantic, but if you want people to give credence to your yarns then you need to do the same thing. If you don’t, then the lack of credibility in the details taints the larger aspects of what you’ve trying to get across. And saying “these words mean what I want them to mean, not what they normally mean” was great in Alice in Wonderland, but it doesn’t seem all that thrilling to me.

So, you were there and I wasn’t, but I’m disinclined to believe it happened as you say it did.

Because he called a rifle a gun?

Unless you’re some sort of military nut, no-one really gives a sh1t.

Truthiness said :

I don’t know about guns, nor do I care to, they are vicious and barbaric tools specifically designed to kill humans. As far as I am concerned they were a machine and a gun, you can define it however you want to.

I’ve spent most of my working life making sure the details are right. So I know this will sound pedantic, but if you want people to give credence to your yarns then you need to do the same thing. If you don’t, then the lack of credibility in the details taints the larger aspects of what you’ve trying to get across. And saying “these words mean what I want them to mean, not what they normally mean” was great in Alice in Wonderland, but it doesn’t seem all that thrilling to me.

So, you were there and I wasn’t, but I’m disinclined to believe it happened as you say it did.

As I understood it at the time they were required to carry weapons at all times since it was an “active war zone” while they chased the indonesians out.

Since you are all so interested in the specifics of the guns, I held one, they were greenish and incredibly lightweight for their size, like a large plastic kids toy hung on a strap, they were an unusual shape, like the pointy end looked too small for the handles.

Horrid beastly stinging things, hung on the shoulders of obnoxious drunken louts. I certainly met some nice Australian soldiers out rebuilding, but the lads in question would have been more suited to a bar fight at mooseheads than a small timorese resteraunt.

It doesn’t really matter what they *could* have gotten charged with, no one was going to f*** with them.

HenryBG said :

Truthiness said :

Who would ever have thought training people to be killing machines would have unwanted side effects?

Get real. ADFA doesn’t train any “killing machines”. ADFA provides all the short-arsed shiny bum middle-manager bullies for all those acres of cubicles at Russell. And elsewhere.

The “Killing machines” are trained at Kapooka. And elsewhere. But not at the University of f*ckwittery that’s know as ADFA.

I’m curious about where you’re getting your information from. You seem to imply that the ADFA graduating classes immediately march over to Russell and lead the high life while shining their bums and bullying people in an office for the rest of their careers, and it simply ain’t so.

If junior officers for the army aren’t coming out of ADFA then where are they coming from? It’s those junior officers who command the platoons, batteries and squadrons of our ground forces. All the killing machines from Kapooka would be an easily defeated rabble without the presence of the ADFA graduates who get all the weapons pointed in the right direction at the right time.

Truthiness said :

I remember sitting in a bar in dili watching Australian troops getting drunk and abusive to the local transvestites, while carrying fully loaded machine guns.

The soldiers may have been drunk and abusive. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time. But it seems highly unlikely that they were actually armed and carrying live ammo while doing this.

It’s even less likely that they were all carrying machines guns, but that’s a separate topic all of its own.

I don’t know about guns, nor do I care to, they are vicious and barbaric tools specifically designed to kill humans. As far as I am concerned they were a machine and a gun, you can define it however you want to.

I reject the entire concept of “just following orders”, it matters not if the orders came from the liberals or labour, they are both two sides of the same false dichotomy and are in agreement on most things. Blaming one or the other is disingenous, since neither could achieve much without some degree of support from the other.

I saw Australian soldiers abusing civilians while drunk on active duty with a loaded weapon, over here that would be unusual, the locals were used to it.

The coms guy was a native Falintil resistance fighter, not an overseas ring in. You are right, the UN were horrid corrupt bastards that had chinese casino ships following them from war to war. They kicked the Indonesians out of the palace and stepped right in to fill the gap. I didn’t meet any jordanians from the UN, just africans, australians and portugese. I stayed with Falintil fighters in the mountains, not with the UN, just as I had years previously under Indonesian occupation.

Truthiness said :

I remember sitting in a bar in dili watching Australian troops getting drunk and abusive to the local transvestites, while carrying fully loaded machine guns.
.

Seeing as you can’t tell a rifle from a gun, or government policy from Army behaviour, I call bulls*** on the rest of it.

The ALP gave the Indons the go-ahead for their genocidal invasion. The ALP refused to recognise refugees. The ALP tried to cover up the murder of Australian journalists. The ALP ignored radio signals from the resistance. The ALP sent Gareth Evans to clink champagne glasses with the Indons after signing an agreement to carve up their oil.

I don’t know who your “Head of Comms for the resistance” guy is, but if he’s the portuguese PR guy who specialised in spending resistance money and UN grants on prostitutes then I’d take his opinion with a grain of salt. If you’re referring to the pom, then I’d say you misunderstand him.

Everybody but the ALP’s die-hard apologists know Australia let them down, badly, and they know we know it. Xanana is very grateful for Australia’s help under John Howard (however belated it was) and he was very pleased to have Australian & NZ troops step in and help, as opposed to the scum from Jordan that the UN were brow-beaten into sending there and who behaved exactly like the Indons did (co-incidence? No.).

Mr_Shab said :

The lemonyness of the f-35 depends on who you ask. If It’s flyers who fancy themselves as strapping on the helmet and goggles and playing at being “knights of the sky”, then yeah, we could do better. Back in the real world where you’re looking for a delivery van packed with countermeasures for delivering JDAMS and the odd missile, they’re right on the money.

we might be fighting beardy nutters today, but the big, expensive projects are for the next war.

The F35 isn’t stealth, carries little payload, and has crap range. So it can’t perform as a strike aircraft.
The lack of stealth means it can only engage in air-air from range, and the ECM environment it’s likely to be flying into precludes that from being successful. Its lack of performance compared with opposition aircraft means it’s not likely to be able to position itself to make a successful attack and makes it a sitting duck in visual range combat. And again, its lack of payload means it can’t use the salvo tactic which will be employed by its better-armed opponents. It will run out of fuel and missiles very quickly, at which point the much, much faster opposition planes, each carrying up to 6 times the payload just zoom up to them and destroy them from behind.

We don’t use our airpower, and if we invest in crap (ultra-expensive crap) we won’t even have a deterrent.

Meanwhile, Aussies are dying because we have no Apaches to provide close support.

having been in east Timor, worked and become friends with the locals, I can assure you they don’t think of Australian troops as “nice”, just better than the genocidal Indonesians and the colonial Portuguese.

I remember sitting in a bar in dili watching Australian troops getting drunk and abusive to the local transvestites, while carrying fully loaded machine guns.

I remember talking to the former head of communications for the resistance, who told us how he had spent months in a mud cave under a swamp with a radio transmitter, broadcasting to Darwin, begging for help while Indonesian troops walked above him. it was all for nought though, since the Australian army was jamming the signal, so the people of Darwin wouldn’t have to be bothered by his calls for help.

in world war two, more east timorese died protecting Australia than Australians have died in all wars. we repay them by ignoring them for decades and then stealing the lion’s share of their oil. they don’t hate us, they are grateful we sent bullies to kick out the Indonesian bullies, they just feel deeply betrayed and stepped on. personally I can see why.

as for the afghan people, I am sure they just love having more foreign troops on their land, again, we aren’t as bad as the Russians or yanks, but that isn’t saying much. given opium production and tribal violence have actually gotten worse under our watch, and given they didnt ask us to invade, I find it difficult to believe they really like us much.

saying Australian troops are nice is like saying Australian boots are nice, it doesn’t mean much when they are standing on your neck.

HenryBG said :

What are the submarines and F-35 lemons for?a[quote>

Subs are the Shiz when facing off against a hostile sea power.

The lemonyness of the f-35 depends on who you ask. If It’s flyers who fancy themselves as strapping on the helmet and goggles and playing at being “knights of the sky”, then yeah, we could do better. Back in the real world where you’re looking for a delivery van packed with countermeasures for delivering JDAMS and the odd missile, they’re right on the money.

we might be fighting beardy nutters today, but the big, expensive projects are for the next war.

johnboy said :

Peace keeping and making friends with the locals is an important part of what they do for sure. But it’s not what we spend the billions for.

Actually – there’s a fair bit of debate about that at the moment.

What have Australia’s armed forces actually been up to recently?

What are the submarines and F-35 lemons for?

Why are we spending billions on a new fighter plane that is vastly inferior in performance, range, firepower, ECM and/or stealth to all its competitors when the actual work we do calls for drones, Apache attack helicopters, and Chinoooks for casevac?

HenryBG said :

Truthiness said :

Who would ever have thought training people to be killing machines would have unwanted side effects?

Get real. ADFA doesn’t train any “killing machines”. ADFA provides all the short-arsed shiny bum middle-manager bullies for all those acres of cubicles at Russell. And elsewhere.

The “Killing machines” are trained at Kapooka. And elsewhere. But not at the University of f*ckwittery that’s know as ADFA.

What I really wanted to ask was, have they found a way to pin it on the girl yet?

They train them at Kapooka then send them to lovely places such as Singo, Shoalwater and Kanungra, just to make sure.

Yeah, my youngest cousin graduates as a combat engineer next week. His entire course were devastated to hear they won’t be going anywhere.

You don’t become a combat engineer because you hate foreigners, that’s for sure…

johnboy said :

disliking foreigners (or at least people who don’t know how to pass the port) is at the heart of the ADF mission for all that they like to pretend otherwise.

You may well be right about ADFA, but the army in general is pretty famous in places like East Timor and Afghanistan for its good relations with the locals.

In fact, if the East Timorese don’t totally hate us due to Whitlam and the ALP’s connivance with the genocidal Indonesian invasion of their country, it is thanks to them meeting lots of kind and caring Aussie diggers.

Peace keeping and making friends with the locals is an important part of what they do for sure. But it’s not what we spend the billions for.

johnboy said :

disliking foreigners (or at least people who don’t know how to pass the port) is at the heart of the ADF mission for all that they like to pretend otherwise.

It would be easy to say that not all foreigners like us, so it’s just as well that we have some people who don’t like them back.

Instead, I’ll say that I hope your comment is flippant – otherwise it displays a lack of connection with the real world.

m_ratt said :

Just as in the shower cam incident from August last year, this is a foreign cadet, studying at ADFA. I wouldn’t call it indicative of ADF culture at all.

Ah-ha! So now we can’t blame it all on women, we can blame it all on foreigners.

Good to see progress in action at ADFA…

disliking foreigners (or at least people who don’t know how to pass the port) is at the heart of the ADF mission for all that they like to pretend otherwise.

Truthiness said :

Who would ever have thought training people to be killing machines would have unwanted side effects?

Get real. ADFA doesn’t train any “killing machines”. ADFA provides all the short-arsed shiny bum middle-manager bullies for all those acres of cubicles at Russell. And elsewhere.

The “Killing machines” are trained at Kapooka. And elsewhere. But not at the University of f*ckwittery that’s know as ADFA.

What I really wanted to ask was, have they found a way to pin it on the girl yet?

Just as in the shower cam incident from August last year, this is a foreign cadet, studying at ADFA. I wouldn’t call it indicative of ADF culture at all.

dvaey said :

JessP said :

Given all the drama’s of recent times at ADFA, what part of your brain tells you entering a colleagues room and committing ‘acts of indencency’ is a good idea?

This is only permitted if said cadet (the one committing the acts) is female, seemingly. I dont think Ive heard of a single female cadet getting in trouble for entering a male cadets room, only the other way around.

That is because in the real world, women don’t need to molest men against their will to get laid. There are plenty of guys who will give it willingly to any girl who asks for it. But I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that all your sexual experiences come from watching pornos, and not from the real world and that that is why you made such a laughable comment.

One said :

Only thing the ADFA cadet has done wrong is to attack a female.

Blame it on Beer.

Just remember to use the line used by all drunks! I don’t remember! Really Sorry BS!

Oh yeah its lawful to break, enter, and trespass with intent to commit harm without ever being charged by the landlord, police or tenant if your drunk – just be sure to question the mental health of your victim! The Government will be in on testing people who speak out.

Wow, you’re really coming through as a special character there buddy, I can’t wait for your next post.

JessP said :

Given all the drama’s of recent times at ADFA, what part of your brain tells you entering a colleagues room and committing ‘acts of indencency’ is a good idea?

This is only permitted if said cadet (the one committing the acts) is female, seemingly. I dont think Ive heard of a single female cadet getting in trouble for entering a male cadets room, only the other way around.

Felix the Cat1:24 pm 28 May 12

JessP said :

Given all the drama’s of recent times at ADFA, what part of your brain tells you entering a colleagues room and committing ‘acts of indencency’ is a good idea?

That’s the problem, they aren’t thinking or if they are it’s with the wrong head.

One said :

Only thing the ADFA cadet has done wrong is to attack a female.

Blame it on Beer.

Just remember to use the line used by all drunks! I don’t remember! Really Sorry BS!

Oh yeah its lawful to break, enter, and trespass with intent to commit harm without ever being charged by the landlord, police or tenant if your drunk – just be sure to question the mental health of your victim! The Government will be in on testing people who speak out.

You are a strange individual.

Given all the drama’s of recent times at ADFA, what part of your brain tells you entering a colleagues room and committing ‘acts of indencency’ is a good idea?

Who would ever have thought training people to be killing machines would have unwanted side effects?

It makes you wonder if this has been happening all along, and only now being reported due to the media and official findings, or whether they have just started recruiting a bunch of sex offenders?

give you one guess.

Only thing the ADFA cadet has done wrong is to attack a female.

Blame it on Beer.

Just remember to use the line used by all drunks! I don’t remember! Really Sorry BS!

Oh yeah its lawful to break, enter, and trespass with intent to commit harm without ever being charged by the landlord, police or tenant if your drunk – just be sure to question the mental health of your victim! The Government will be in on testing people who speak out.

rosscoact said :

Commandant Klink still in charge out there?

It does sound like the cadets have been taking lessons from Bob Crane.

Commandant Klink still in charge out there?

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