26 March 2009

ANU Liberal Club up to old games

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Insiders tell me the ANU Liberal Club is up to its old tricks and its going to get nasty. Who would have thought it from a bunch of future lawyers.

Bending their constitution to suit themselves. Holding meetings without timely notice. etc etc (Ho Hum)

They apparantly are no longer associated with the senior party, a little trick they pulled over the President.

So they can’t be pulled into line by anyone except their own members. Apparantly from what I hear they might need security at tonight’s irregular meeting as a few of them have annoyed one of their members who has some close friends in a local motorcycle club.

Could be interesting to watch a bunch of uni students change underwear muliple times. I wonder how they will go picking up the soap. It takes me back to that excellant movie deliverance – squeal like a pig.

So come along to The Tank at the ANU 6.30pm it should be fun.

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Pommy bastard6:09 pm 31 Mar 09

I’m not sure if the DSM IV lists it as a “specific phobia”, (300.29), I’ll have to look it up.

I’m not involved Peterh, and I ultimately don’t care about the present goings on. However I still find it interesting, especially when it involves me. I find myself to be the most interesting topic. 😉

Clown Killer5:50 pm 31 Mar 09

Is there a name for Homosexuals that are homophobic

It is my understanding that homophobia (which is apparently a diagnosable psychological condition) is in fact response to a persons awareness of their own homosexuality, or homosexual tendencies. Violence against other homosexuals is one way that homophobia manifests.

jakez said :

thesource1980 said :

Ah jakez, you shouldn’t have fallen out with Alistair, Duncan, Aaron Henry and the rest of the right wing homophobs.

I didn’t know I had. I’ve always been a marginalised liability but i don’t remember actually falling out with them. Care to elaborate on how this happened?

thesource1980 said :

Jakez I think you will find that after the President Winnifred Rosser was told to pull her head in by Zed and the boys, because they needed the Young Libs for the election, she dumped Wal in it and sent Tio out to settle it down.

I have heard that Wal wouldn’t let it go after they made up the VP Fat Bastard thing and told him to F**k off, and then started having a go at his wife. See comments from kowpow post #24.

They got to dissaffiliate by not putting in their financials for over 12 months and not for any other reason – future lawyers got to love them.

How is that different from what I said? I’m so disappointed. I thought it was going to be something revelatory.

you know, for someone who isn’t involved anymore, you seem very interested in the goings on…

meanwhile, it is all a bit of meh for me.

thesource1980 said :

Ah jakez, you shouldn’t have fallen out with Alistair, Duncan, Aaron Henry and the rest of the right wing homophobs.

I didn’t know I had. I’ve always been a marginalised liability but i don’t remember actually falling out with them. Care to elaborate on how this happened?

thesource1980 said :

Jakez I think you will find that after the President Winnifred Rosser was told to pull her head in by Zed and the boys, because they needed the Young Libs for the election, she dumped Wal in it and sent Tio out to settle it down.

I have heard that Wal wouldn’t let it go after they made up the VP Fat Bastard thing and told him to F**k off, and then started having a go at his wife. See comments from kowpow post #24.

They got to dissaffiliate by not putting in their financials for over 12 months and not for any other reason – future lawyers got to love them.

How is that different from what I said? I’m so disappointed. I thought it was going to be something revelatory.

Granny said :

‘disaffilitation’ and ‘constituion’ are my two new favourite words after ‘lerp’ …

tried lerps yet?

But it is a fact that I like spaghetti. If I said that I didn’t, that would be a lie about a fact. While I accept that there are some facts which can be verified, and others which cannot, your use of language is whacky.

So p1 you are incorrect non core promises can’t be proven

That is an awesome sentence.

thesource19803:35 pm 31 Mar 09

Jakez I think you will find that after the President Winnifred Rosser was told to pull her head in by Zed and the boys, because they needed the Young Libs for the election, she dumped Wal in it and sent Tio out to settle it down.

I have heard that Wal wouldn’t let it go after they made up the VP Fat Bastard thing and told him to F**k off, and then started having a go at his wife. See comments from kowpow post #24.

They got to dissaffiliate by not putting in their financials for over 12 months and not for any other reason – future lawyers got to love them.

thesource19803:23 pm 31 Mar 09

Ah jakez, you shouldn’t have fallen out with Alistair, Duncan, Aaron Henry and the rest of the right wing homophobs.

Is there a name for Homosexuals that are homophobic – apart from Young Liberal – just asking

thesource19803:20 pm 31 Mar 09

p1 you are incorrect.

A factual lie is something that can be proven like your birth date – its on your drivers liscence. A non factual lie would be I love spaghetti – cant really be proven.

So p1 you are incorrect non core promises can’t be proven

Jakez – I love how you never let the facts get in the way of you telling your side of an argument. There are just too many factual lies (I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t know) on this issue.

What the hell is a factual lie? Mate, I’d love to know what you are talking about. Elaborate. Come on mate, you are a username not a real name, you can hide behind your moniker. Give me the low down.

Incidentally, I’m only talking about the past. I have no knowledge of this years AGM so if you are saying I don’t know about the crap you are talking about in this thread, I absolutely admit it. I burned my sources a long time ago.

Are factual lies kinda like non-core promises?

thesource19802:51 pm 31 Mar 09

Boy didn’t that open a can of worms.

Jakez – I love how you never let the facts get in the way of you telling your side of an argument. There are just too many factual lies (I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t know) on this issue.

The meeting certainly did have Right-wing stalwart Gerry Wheeler. If you can call someone that delivered what can only be described as a hate speech a stalwart then he is one. When Gerry delivered his speech people were nearly Goose stepping around the room including Alistair. Gerry’s work colleagues at Raytheon would have been pleased to hear him describe the sort of tactics that he uses at work to undermine them. Maybe Duncan could post it up on their website.

I was roused at the meeting to have Pomp & Ceremony and Rule Britannia playing in the background. It felt like the last Opus Dei meeting I attended with Tio & Zed oops did I let the cat out of the bag. No, all on the public record, trips to see the Moonies, closed coven Catholics, anti abortionists, anti choice – all on the public record. No point in hiding, it’s all out there – got to love Google.

By the way Zed last Saturday night was earth hour – you were suppose to turn you lights off for an hour – not a good example to the kids.

Define irony: A coward hiding behind a username publicly attacking parts of the Liberal Party for engaging in intra party warfare.

You know what disenfranchised, at least I put my name to my attacks and at least my attacks are on policy. You are no different to any of the other hacks who fight for the scraps of position.

What is your name?

disenfranchised5:51 am 29 Mar 09

The ANU Liberals and the Young Liberals (YL) have become an embarrassment to mature age members of the ACT Liberals. They do not nourish the Party. They bring a degree of zealotry that is not in the broader Party’s best interests. Take for example the emergence of one MLA, young Coe, the right wing spear chucker. What was associated with his period in the YLs? ….internecine warfare, claims of unconstitutional behaviour and schisms. His close adult travelling companions and supporters were Mulcahy and Kent. Ugh! Enough said. His biggest achievement in life was leaving mum. He is so into private enterprise he is now on the public teat for life. Motivation -pure self interest.

Pommy bastard said :

Jim Jones said :

Daddy’s got a Porsche!

“The Young Ones” circa 1982?

Well spotted. I’m impressed.

kowpow said :

No motorcycle gangs.

The only person who may have been confused for a bikie was former Liberal Party VP, Fat Bastard, who sat up the back and didn’t say a word all meeting. Obviously he has nothing better to do with his time than to hang out at the ANU and try and make some friends – looks like he failed yet again (just as he and his failed candidate wife have done in the party).

Otherwise the meeting went smoothly and it looks like the membership supports the current leadership (who were re-elected).

Right-wing stalwart Gerry Wheeler was finally recognised with life membership. Senator Humphries has tried to block such a move for many years.

New MLA Alistair Coe was also awarded life membership.

Makes me wish I was back at the ANU taking the fight up to the left again.

Now I remember why I stopped caring.

Davo111 said :

I don’t think you should be able to use the word ANU in your title if you’re not affiliated with ANUSA. I’ll have a chat to ANUSA when i’m over there next week to find out the whole story/rules.

I’ve always thought that was bullcrap. ANUSA doesn’t own ANU. If it is a liberal club at ANU then why not be the ANU Liberal Club? It’s not the ANUSA Liberal Club.

Although it may as well be now that it is affiliated. Back in the day it was a point of principle that the club didn’t affiliate with ANUSA. Shame.

Pommy bastard10:13 am 27 Mar 09

Jim Jones said :

Daddy’s got a Porsche!

“The Young Ones” circa 1982?

Tetranitrate said :

On number 2: No it wasn’t. The main reason was that the management committee of the actual party had ruled that the AGM was unconstitutional due to full notice as defined in the division constitution not being given until one day before the meeting, when it had to be sent a week in advance.
No, emailing that basically “there’s a meeting soon but we’ll tell you where it is later” is not notice.

I don’t think that’s true either. There were a number of reasons. I had been pushing for disaffiliation for years. There was the ANUSA affiliation (which is absolutely appalling in my opinion). And yes there was the whole AGM thing, which pushed them into disafilliating sooner rather than later.

As for the claim that the AGM was settled before disaffiliation, that is not true and we all know it. At that meeting to disafiliate, Wal Barnier got up and said that management committee didn’t recognise this because they didn’t recognise the AGM.

The whole thing only stopped when Ash got bored of it all, Wal realised he had no power to do anything, and the numbers on management committee changed anyway.

And Ash, you know full well that correct notice was given out because the ANU constitution is so appallingly bad that there is no concrete timeframe for notice. This is why I had been calling for the constitution to be rewritten for years. It was an indictment on the enemies of the current regime anyway.

God not caring is great, I can say whatever I want now.

Daddy’s got a Porsche!

Congratulations to Alistair and Gerry on their life memberships. Well deserved!

kowpow said :

New MLA Alistair Coe was also awarded life membership.

So lets get this straight… the ANU Liberal Club is such an under-performing group of people that just getting elected alone is worthy of such an honour? The fact he’s actually achieved nothing to date other than getting elected seems to reflect a) the pretty low standards to which this group hold itself and b) the fact that when a person actually reaches these low standard they are awarded with a life membership. What a stirling bunch of young people.

I don’t think you should be able to use the word ANU in your title if you’re not affiliated with ANUSA. I’ll have a chat to ANUSA when i’m over there next week to find out the whole story/rules.

No motorcycle gangs.

The only person who may have been confused for a bikie was former Liberal Party VP, Fat Bastard, who sat up the back and didn’t say a word all meeting. Obviously he has nothing better to do with his time than to hang out at the ANU and try and make some friends – looks like he failed yet again (just as he and his failed candidate wife have done in the party).

Otherwise the meeting went smoothly and it looks like the membership supports the current leadership (who were re-elected).

Right-wing stalwart Gerry Wheeler was finally recognised with life membership. Senator Humphries has tried to block such a move for many years.

New MLA Alistair Coe was also awarded life membership.

Makes me wish I was back at the ANU taking the fight up to the left again.

Is it just me or did anybody else giggle at the acronym ANUSA? Surely ANUS-A, or just ‘ANUS, hey!’ is more relevant to this mob of numpty’s. Reckon any grown up liberals will attend?

Tetranitrate9:42 pm 26 Mar 09

So was there a bloodbath? any guys with tattoos? did someone at least threaten to sue or something?
Surely the original author can enlighten us.

Tetranitrate9:38 pm 26 Mar 09

youngliberal said :

Again this is incorrect. The issue with notice that you refer to was resolved with management committee. The decision to disaffiliate came quite a few months later.

Whatever you say Duncan.

no, the scary thing is that other people vote for them…

The scary thing is that lots of people from these uni politic groups end up in real politics about 10 years later.

Tetranitrate5:22 pm 26 Mar 09

jessieduck said :

I wish this thread was more juicy. At the moment it’s sounding very petty school boy silliness.

Pretty much really.

It all started with this:
http://the-riotact.com/?p=7161

I wish this thread was more juicy. At the moment it’s sounding very petty school boy silliness.

‘disaffilitation’ and ‘constituion’ are my two new favourite words after ‘lerp’ …

Tetranitrate5:11 pm 26 Mar 09

youngliberal said :

THE FACTS
1. Notice to the AGM was sent out in accordance with the current constitution.
2. The main reason for disaffilitation with the party was to become affiliated with ANUSA
3. The main reason for changing the constituion is to allow for affiliation with ANUSA this year.
4. The second reason for changing the constitution is in order to simplify the executive. There seems to be no apparent need for two VP position, and after the past few years this seems completely unnecessary.
So, stop trying to make something out of nothing.

On number 2: No it wasn’t. The main reason was that the management committee of the actual party had ruled that the AGM was unconstitutional due to full notice as defined in the division constitution not being given until one day before the meeting, when it had to be sent a week in advance.
No, emailing that basically “there’s a meeting soon but we’ll tell you where it is later” is not notice.

youngliberal5:03 pm 26 Mar 09

THE FACTS
1. Notice to the AGM was sent out in accordance with the current constitution.
2. The main reason for disaffilitation with the party was to become affiliated with ANUSA
3. The main reason for changing the constituion is to allow for affiliation with ANUSA this year.
4. The second reason for changing the constitution is in order to simplify the executive. There seems to be no apparent need for two VP position, and after the past few years this seems completely unnecessary.
So, stop trying to make something out of nothing.

So come along to The Tank at the ANU 6.30pm it should be fun.

what, dressed in colours, just for the laugh?

“Put in the boot!” I sez. “Put in the boot!” “‘Ush!” sez Doreen . . . “Shame!” sez some silly coot.

The Rebels are a national motorcycle club, and I don’t think the Canberra chapter of Girls On The Move would do much (nor would they care much about an ANU Libs meeting).

Mike Crowther3:52 pm 26 Mar 09

” Apparantly from what I hear they might need security at tonight’s irregular meeting as a few of them have annoyed one of their members who has some close friends in a local motorcycle club.”

If you sup with the devil, be sure to use a long spoon.

Probably a Vespa.

oh and i forgot to mention, the motorcycle club won’t pay a visit. I think the motorcycle gangs have far more important people to bash than a bunch of loud ANU law students. I’ve seen them threaten each other before, they will just pull anything out of their ass to win an argument. The person who made the threat probably knows someone, who knows someone, who is a 2nd cousin, who has a brother that owns a motorcycle. non event really.

George said :

Yeah I am sure the Rebels and Young Libs have a lot in common and hang out all the time.

The author of this ‘story’ (and I mean story)is no doubt in the minority and has no pull within the Liberal Students thus the bitterness. Oh the bitterness!

Yeah but George I didn’t even know there was a minority anymore. After Ash had his final stand last year at the AGM, I was under the impression that all dissidents had been eradicated.

Frankly I’m amused.

I used to be a member of the ANU liberal club and saw this happening. I think people have just got ahead of themselves in trying to get positions, playing silly tactics etc. It just got too childish for me, and others felt the same way and quit. It’s been happening for about 2 years now. I decided not to renew my membership this year, as many people didn’t either.

Finally, ANU liberal club is NOT young liberals. I will correct everyone who says otherwise.

Yeah I am sure the Rebels and Young Libs have a lot in common and hang out all the time.

The author of this ‘story’ (and I mean story)is no doubt in the minority and has no pull within the Liberal Students thus the bitterness. Oh the bitterness!

close friends in a local motorcycle club?

yeah…that sounds plausible!

Well the independence of campus liberal clubs is an extremely important aspect, as is the independence of the Australian Liberal Students’ Federation. It allows the organisations to criticise the senior party which I view as one of ALSF’s most important functions.

That said, what? People still care about this? I’m glad I got over this crap last year. It’s a campus political club people. Join the real world, it’s actually quite good.

Ah, the exquisite combination of dull and vicious that is Student Politics.

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