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ANU speed limits

By dtc - 5 September 2011 30

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Now that everyone is excited about road signs and Australian standards, I though I would submit a photo of my favourites – 3 signs, 3 speeds, all within 15m of each other.

Leading up to the 40km/h sign the speed limit is either 50 or 60km/h (I’m not sure), meaning the speed limit goes 60, 40, 20 and then 10 – all within a distance of 15m.

Given the location – Hutton Street, leading into the ANU (and into a car park), its hardly going to cause any problems.

But it always amuses me.

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yellowsnow 1:59 pm 06 Sep 11

Henry82 said :

Doesn’t matter – Everyone will ignore all 3 signs and drive at their own speed (including Police/ANU Security)

+1

I’m yet to see anyone travelling less that 40kmh in ANU 10 or 20kmh zones. Similarly, I’m yet see cars giving way to pedestrians or cyclists in the ‘shared zone’ on Childers Street.

They probably take Canberra’s unique and relaxed approach to following posted speed limits into account, posting a 10km limit in the expectation that people will travel @ 30-40kmh instead of 60 or more.

I’m yet to see anyone get booked at ANU (other than for parking that is)

Sgt.Bungers 10:10 am 06 Sep 11

The 40 km/h sign doesn’t comply with AS1743 as being a genuine speed limit sign. That of course doesn’t mean the 40 km/h campus limit is not legally enforceable though.

The physical 20 sign does appear to comply with AS1743, but due to being mounted too close to other signs, it does not comply with AS1742.4.

It’s difficult to tell if the 10 km/h sign complies with AS1743, but it could be argued that it does not comply with AS1742.4, unless the red sign underneath it is specified for use with speed limit signs as an auxiliary sign. I doubt it though.

The special 40 unless otherwise signposted signs on campus are not needed. All the ANU needs is “40 AREA” signs and “END 40 AREA” signs at each entrance and exit to the property. Along with proper road engineering to ensure that no motorist is comfortable exceeding that speed at any point on campus.

In areas that are going to see an abundance of pedestrian traffic, the road needs to be engineered in a manner that will ensure no motorist is comfortable exceeding 10-20 km/h for that point. Example of such a road in the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_Road,_Brighton_-_shared_space.jpg

Saintly 6:30 am 06 Sep 11

To join the debate on the William Slim 80/60/80 speed limits – I guess you have to actually travel this road to understand how silly the signage is – nothing to do with the roundabouts as I think consensus is it would be hard to do the legal limit on most. The bottom stretch of Owen-Dixon Drive (which joins William Slim at a roundabout) is 80 with 60 most of the way down the road. The next speed sign seen is 60 after exiting the roundabout until the next roundabout – a short section. Yet itis only 60 on that section of William Slim when travelling to Belconnen. When travelling to Gungahlin it is 80. I guess this is confussing for many as I am often behind drivers doing 60 in the 80 and then speed up doing 80 in the 60.

Mozzie 10:31 pm 05 Sep 11

Yes this road sign banter is all rather exciting.

Incidentally, the road from this corner and around the front of uni lodge is a shared 40 zone if I recall correctly. However, the signs are tiny and mounted on 2.5m high poles in places that make them difficult to see. At least from some of the driving I have seen around there, drivers don’t seem to notice them.

buzz819 8:27 pm 05 Sep 11

gazket said :

buzz819 said :

Innovation said :

Also, Buzz819 isn’t the maximum speed limit on all roundabouts 60k’s unless a lower speed limit is posted? If so, are you saying that the speed limit over the whole stretch should be 60k’s.

Umm no. The speed limit of a roundabout is the same limit as the road it is on. But you thinking that does explain why people are so confused about roundabouts.

no it isn’t round a bouts are give way intersections. you have to slow and be able to stop. I think you will find in the A.C.T roundabout speed limits are 40KP/H but it’s never enforced.

Yes, you have to be able to stop, good work, now you run along and find in the Australian Road Rules where it says 40 km/h is a maximum speed around roundabouts.

buzz819 said :

Innovation said :

Also, Buzz819 isn’t the maximum speed limit on all roundabouts 60k’s unless a lower speed limit is posted? If so, are you saying that the speed limit over the whole stretch should be 60k’s.

Umm no. The speed limit of a roundabout is the same limit as the road it is on. But you thinking that does explain why people are so confused about roundabouts.

1/ I’ll happily admit that I’m sure there are aspects of the 396 pages of road rules (for the ACT alone) that I don’t have down pat. Hence why I’m an advocate for regular (at least theory) testing for all road users.
2/ I’m keen for you to explain how my misunderstanding what the maximum possible speed limit in unmarked roundabouts would cause confusion when using roundabouts in general, especially since this assumption is no reflection of the speed that I would actually do in a roundabout.
3/ So, in the example on William Slim that you gave, are you saying that you want to still do 80km/h through those roundabouts or would rather do 60km/h for the entire length of road?
4/ And in giving your earlier answer to my original question, did you look up the road rules to be sure or have you memorised all 396 pages and your knowledge of road rules is flawless? If the latter, can I say, well done Rainman?

1/ Testing is good. Looking up rules is also simple and fast.

2/ Why is it a reflection on the general confusion on roundabouts? If you don’t know the rules, I’m guessing there a few hundred if not thousand in the same boat as you, that is why, trying to make you feel like less of a minority and trying to push you up into a majority I am.

3/There are about a few roads I can think of in Canberra that have a number or roundabouts in the same stretch such as this, Gundaroo Drive, it is 80 all the way along, Isabella Drive, 80 all the way along, Drakeford/Tharwa Drive, 80 all the way, Erindale Drive, 80 all the way, Gungahlin Drive, 80, Athllon Drive 80… They are all 80km/h. Why is it that one road needs to have 6 speed zone changes in, and I’ve just measured it, 6 speed zone changes in 1.5km.

4/ I looked it up, not that hard when all you have to do is type it into google. I didn’t need to read the WHOLE 396 pages, just the areas covering speed limits and roundabouts, took me maybe three or four minutes. Knowing the ENTIRE road rules doesn’t really need a Rainman mind, just common sense, something lacking in a lot of people I know.

gazket 7:53 pm 05 Sep 11

buzz819 said :

Innovation said :

Also, Buzz819 isn’t the maximum speed limit on all roundabouts 60k’s unless a lower speed limit is posted? If so, are you saying that the speed limit over the whole stretch should be 60k’s.

Umm no. The speed limit of a roundabout is the same limit as the road it is on. But you thinking that does explain why people are so confused about roundabouts.

no it isn’t round a bouts are give way intersections. you have to slow and be able to stop. I think you will find in the A.C.T roundabout speed limits are 40KP/H but it’s never enforced.

Innovation 7:01 pm 05 Sep 11

buzz819 said :

Innovation said :

Also, Buzz819 isn’t the maximum speed limit on all roundabouts 60k’s unless a lower speed limit is posted? If so, are you saying that the speed limit over the whole stretch should be 60k’s.

Umm no. The speed limit of a roundabout is the same limit as the road it is on. But you thinking that does explain why people are so confused about roundabouts.

1/ I’ll happily admit that I’m sure there are aspects of the 396 pages of road rules (for the ACT alone) that I don’t have down pat. Hence why I’m an advocate for regular (at least theory) testing for all road users.
2/ I’m keen for you to explain how my misunderstanding what the maximum possible speed limit in unmarked roundabouts would cause confusion when using roundabouts in general, especially since this assumption is no reflection of the speed that I would actually do in a roundabout.
3/ So, in the example on William Slim that you gave, are you saying that you want to still do 80km/h through those roundabouts or would rather do 60km/h for the entire length of road?
4/ And in giving your earlier answer to my original question, did you look up the road rules to be sure or have you memorised all 396 pages and your knowledge of road rules is flawless? If the latter, can I say, well done Rainman?

MonarchRepublic 5:28 pm 05 Sep 11

Just to clarify – exiting this area along Kingsley Street (the one that joins Barry Drive), there is a sign indicating 40km/h (across the road from where this photo was taken), and no other signs are apparent looking down the street – so presumably Kingsley St is 40km/h for the length of the road (given some previous threads about speed signs though, that is a BIG assumption to be making). The 40km/h speed sign for Hutton St (which comes off Kingsley), can also be seen from where this photo was taken. A few speed zones appear to have changed recently, so these signs may be relatively recent additions.

qbngeek 4:41 pm 05 Sep 11

dtc said :

astrojax said :

the speed limit is either 50 or 60km/h (I’m not sure),

it’s a suburban street, not otherwise marked… & you’re not sure??

& you have a licence?? 🙂

So to ‘defend’ myself. I don’t drive past here, I walk past this intersection on my way to the ANU. The street in question comes off Barry Drive (60 km/h at that spot) and I dont know if the speed limit changes after you turn because I have never had to look while in a car. And I never claimed to have a licence anyway.

When making assumptions about things you know nothing about, be prepared to be wrong.

Umm, he/she is not really in the wrong with their comment. All roads (not just suburban) in the ACT are 50km/h unless otherwise signposted. Therefore when you turn into the street it is 50km/h unless there is a sign advising otherwise.

If you have a licence you should know that…

dtc 4:13 pm 05 Sep 11

astrojax said :

the speed limit is either 50 or 60km/h (I’m not sure),

it’s a suburban street, not otherwise marked… & you’re not sure??

& you have a licence?? 🙂

So to ‘defend’ myself. I don’t drive past here, I walk past this intersection on my way to the ANU. The street in question comes off Barry Drive (60 km/h at that spot) and I dont know if the speed limit changes after you turn because I have never had to look while in a car. And I never claimed to have a licence anyway.

When making assumptions about things you know nothing about, be prepared to be wrong.

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