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Anzac day trading

By johnboy - 20 April 2009 39

The ABC is having a poke at the subject of businesses trading on Anzac Day.

It appears there isn’t much of a problem here in Canberra, although across the border some big chains are applying for exemptions to NSW’s weirdly archaic trading hour laws to let them do business on the morning.

I know many dawn service observers are quite pleased to be able to find a cafe open after proceedings have concluded.

Your thoughts?

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Holden Caulfield 10:41 am 22 Apr 09

I thought the soldiers were fighting to defend our freedom. 😛

Thumper 10:22 am 22 Apr 09

The public holiday though (This year at least) I reckon is a load of dogs bollocks.

Agreed. It should be a normal working day.

Danman 10:19 am 22 Apr 09

wonsworld – whats your opinion of monday being a public holiday ?

I personally have no problem with shops being open on Saturday morning, it will in no way change how I commemerate ANZAC day.

I think if people want to open shops, its on their own volition, ESP on a saturday, ANZAC day means a lot to me, and the majority of Australians, but thats not to say that all and sundry are like me, and will want to get onto that project they have in their back yard… Somewhere being shut for 4 hours on a Saturday really would put me out any other day, but as I will be otherwise engaged, it will not effect me, perhaps other conciencious objecter, but not me.

The public holiday though (This year at least) I reckon is a load of dogs bollocks. The public holiday was (in this case) provided in order to attend ANZAC day commemerations, how will a day off 2 days later help ?

wonsworld 11:59 pm 21 Apr 09

I’m old enough that I can remember a time when all shops where closed all day on Good Friday, Christmas Day and Anzac Day mornings.

Well now the other two have gone as “real” celebration days. Due possibly to a requirement for ever increasing profits and also for those who are not of a Christian faith wondering why they could not go shopping on a day that did not effect them. I sometimes wonder if our governments are a little too soft in caving in on some of these changes and think what would happen if we were to go other places in the world and say … suggest that we need food outlets open during Ramadan or ask for a beef hamburger in downtown Mumbai? Anyway….

Maybe I’m just getting old but I thought the whole deal about Anzac Day was about respect and unlike Easter or Christmas it DOES effect us all. It is not about your faith. It is about our heritage and our culture as Australians. It is not about a need for profit or who is (or is not) running the RSL now (nor is it about binge drinking).

There was a time, not that long ago, when it was all about the poor old buggers who, when they were our age, instead of moaning about not being able to get to Bunnings, did what they could and what they believed in so that we could enjoy those freedoms that we have now. Yes most of the old ones may have passed on (and even the WW2 vets are thinning in number… very fast too) but it’s not about who is there or not. It’s not even about kids marching in the shadows of where their grandfathers or fathers once stood. It IS about remembering for a very short time in our lives the deeds and actions that other generations gave so that we can live like we do today. But no, we cant do even that, instead, we repay that ideal by demanding to go shopping.

You don’t have to go to the dawn service but surely you could hold off on going shopping for four bloody hours.

Fiona 8:47 am 21 Apr 09

I won’t be in town. but then I won’t be goignt o a service anyway. I used to when I was a kid and my grandfatehr marched, but since he got to old to march and has now died, I don’t really have the motivationto go.
*shrugs*

I’ll probably just sleep in, eat a breakfast of whatever’s on offer and wander outside once the streets have reopened.

And avoid the RSLs. Too many drunks.

tuggers 12:00 am 21 Apr 09

Didn’t we have the debate about the Balloon Festival coinciding with Anzac Day last year? I would bet many more people will use the long weekend to clear our their garages; and do some gardening while the weather is still warm. Is the RSL going to ask for the tip to be closed?

Seriously though…To me, the whole Anzac Day hype feels more like the circus coming to town. The Dawn Service is poignant, but after that the day has less meaning. The Rememberance Day ceremonies in November to me is more meaningful than standing next to a bunch of guys wearing Southern Cross tatts who are waiting for the beer and two-up festival to start when the march is over.

ant 10:48 pm 20 Apr 09

Thumper said :

I recall going to work straight from a big night out.

Yep, many, many times 😉

Me too. Sometimes with the same work-mates. That was bad.

ant 10:46 pm 20 Apr 09

Ikea is closed Saturday morning!

which unfortunatly means it will be hammered come 1pm, as people will be desperate to make up for lost time.

bd84 10:13 pm 20 Apr 09

BerraBoy68 said :

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Things have changed. When I was working crappy part time teen jobs everyone (including me) lined up to get the overtime shifts. If it meant not partying or getting up at sparrow fart, well so be it.

Youngsters these days are soft.

(Bugger me, I’ve turned into a cranky old man!)

That’s Gen Y for you, VY. Picky an demanding little buggers! I recall going to work straight from a big night out. Mind you I threw up a lot which made my Chief Petty Officer pretty angry about my throwing up all over his ‘nice clean parade ground’.

I’m happily a Gen-Y, when I started my first job 10 odd years ago I worked every weekend and everyone my age was lining up to work weekends and after school (retail). It changed about 6 or 7 or so years ago, when the kids coming through now think “casual” means “I show up if and when I want to”. Hell mummy and daddy even rang up for the little shts and made the poor excuses. Retail outlets would have better luck at training monkeys to work the weekends than getting the kids outta bed on the weekend.

It’s going to be a shock when they need to get a real job and have to show up on time at 8.30 every morning.

Anyway, supportive of cafes and restaurants opening on anzac day, retail outlets don’t really need to be open. There will be the queue of people outside woolies at 12.45 waiting for it to open at 1pm, because they have almost died without their shopping experience for half a day.

bubzie 7:25 pm 20 Apr 09

I’m breaking the trend here.

1. My work considers saturday a public holiday. Double time and a half FTW!
2. I’m 17-25, and would rather jump at the chance to work said double time and a half.
3. I’m not sure about other places, but we volunteer to work said public holidays..so if so-and-so wishes to go off partying instead of working, they just dont put their hand up at the chance, instead of “i cant work tonight..i’m..sick..yeah, sick.”

Thumper 4:39 pm 20 Apr 09

I recall going to work straight from a big night out.

Yep, many, many times 😉

I recall going to work straight from a big night out.

Ha! See this is the sort of thing that people like you and I laugh about now (and yes, I did it too, once), which is character building. Very few teens now would make the effort, but will wonder why they don’t have these kind of stories later on in life.

BerraBoy68 3:34 pm 20 Apr 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Things have changed. When I was working crappy part time teen jobs everyone (including me) lined up to get the overtime shifts. If it meant not partying or getting up at sparrow fart, well so be it.

Youngsters these days are soft.

(Bugger me, I’ve turned into a cranky old man!)

That’s Gen Y for you, VY. Picky an demanding little buggers! I recall going to work straight from a big night out. Mind you I threw up a lot which made my Chief Petty Officer pretty angry about my throwing up all over his ‘nice clean parade ground’.

Things have changed. When I was working crappy part time teen jobs everyone (including me) lined up to get the overtime shifts. If it meant not partying or getting up at sparrow fart, well so be it.

Youngsters these days are soft.

(Bugger me, I’ve turned into a cranky old man!)

buyhercandy 2:29 pm 20 Apr 09

vg said :

buyhercandy said :

The part I have trouble getting my head around is that while Anzac Day falls on a Saturday this year, that day is not a public holiday in the ACT. Monday the 27th is the public holiday here, according to the government:

http://www.cmd.act.gov.au/holidays

So for those of us working on the Saturday, we don’t even get public holiday pay.

It is a public holiday in the ACT, the Monday is just an additional public holiday

Actually, no, if you read the .pdf in the link there, the Saturday is not a public holiday. Other public holidays that fall on the weekend are listed there, so it’s not as though they’ve left it off because it’s a weekend. The Monday is the only government-sanctioned public holiday for Anzac Day in the ACT.

bren 2:26 pm 20 Apr 09

Vg… do you have a link which shows Saturday is a PH? Everything I have seen suggests that only Monday is.

Woody Mann-Caruso 2:22 pm 20 Apr 09

Last Anzac day the only local cafe open was the Turkish Pide house, irony much?

I always thought that Turkish restaurant in Woden was poorly named – “Gallipoli”. Bit like opening a Japanese restaurant called “Changi”.

BerraBoy68 2:18 pm 20 Apr 09

johnboy said :

Yes, if you refuse to roster on anyone over 18, to try and keep payroll down, then it can get tricky.

Not a cheap business, that being in business thing.

I certainly agree with the latter comment JB. As for ages of staff, in most retail outlets you simply don’t get a choice, you just have to recruit from those that apply. My wife ran a bookshop for several years and hired the best out of those that applied for jobs. Most were Uni students – typically young girls but there were also couple of young guys and a few 30-50 year old mums. From memory, those that rang in sick on weekends, hol’s etc. were aged between 17-25. They were good enough to get the jobs but not good enough to keep them.

OT – I specifically recall when my wife was first ordered to open her shop on ANZAC Day, the first few hours was a nightmare as she was trying to cover for the staff that simply didn’t show-up. Even her current job we get calls at home as early as 7:30am on weekends and public holidays trying to get my wife to fill in for someone hat hasn’t gone to work that morning. They’re already trying to cater for it happening again this ANZAC Day.

Pommy bastard 2:04 pm 20 Apr 09

Last Anzac day the only local cafe open was the Turkish Pide house, irony much?

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