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Anzac day trading

By johnboy - 20 April 2009 39

The ABC is having a poke at the subject of businesses trading on Anzac Day.

It appears there isn’t much of a problem here in Canberra, although across the border some big chains are applying for exemptions to NSW’s weirdly archaic trading hour laws to let them do business on the morning.

I know many dawn service observers are quite pleased to be able to find a cafe open after proceedings have concluded.

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Anzac day trading
vg 12:46 pm 20 Apr 09

buyhercandy said :

The part I have trouble getting my head around is that while Anzac Day falls on a Saturday this year, that day is not a public holiday in the ACT. Monday the 27th is the public holiday here, according to the government:

http://www.cmd.act.gov.au/holidays

So for those of us working on the Saturday, we don’t even get public holiday pay.

It is a public holiday in the ACT, the Monday is just an additional public holiday

vg 12:32 pm 20 Apr 09

Thumper said :

From today’s Daily Tele. Apparently the opening does not include takeaways, well, at least not in NSW.

Mr Rowe (NSW RSL President) also welcomed news that most of the retail outlets’ applications to trade on Anzac Day morning had been rejected.

A spokesman for the Office of Industrial Relations yesterday confirmed that of the 22 outlets that wanted to open on Anzac Day morning, 14 had been refused and five had withdrawn their applications.

Decisions for three others – IGA Supermarket at Rosebery, Manly Mainstreet Centre and the Adairs Group – were pending.

A statement released by NSW Industrial Relations Minister John Hatzistergos yesterday warned that sellers were not allowed to open until 1pm on Anzac Day.

Anyone found in breach of the restrictions could face a fine of up to $11,000.

“These trading hours allow citizens to participate in the many remembrance ceremonies,” it said.

The rules do not affect small stores such as chemists, newsagencies and take-away shops.

But Mr Rowe said it was outrageous that department stores, supermarkets and clothing stores had sought to open at all.

But the same guy probably has no issue with binge drinking to the extreme on the same day

buyhercandy 12:31 pm 20 Apr 09

The part I have trouble getting my head around is that while Anzac Day falls on a Saturday this year, that day is not a public holiday in the ACT. Monday the 27th is the public holiday here, according to the government:

http://www.cmd.act.gov.au/holidays

So for those of us working on the Saturday, we don’t even get public holiday pay.

Thumper 12:05 pm 20 Apr 09

From today’s Daily Tele. Apparently the opening does not include takeaways, well, at least not in NSW.

Mr Rowe (NSW RSL President) also welcomed news that most of the retail outlets’ applications to trade on Anzac Day morning had been rejected.

A spokesman for the Office of Industrial Relations yesterday confirmed that of the 22 outlets that wanted to open on Anzac Day morning, 14 had been refused and five had withdrawn their applications.

Decisions for three others – IGA Supermarket at Rosebery, Manly Mainstreet Centre and the Adairs Group – were pending.

A statement released by NSW Industrial Relations Minister John Hatzistergos yesterday warned that sellers were not allowed to open until 1pm on Anzac Day.

Anyone found in breach of the restrictions could face a fine of up to $11,000.

“These trading hours allow citizens to participate in the many remembrance ceremonies,” it said.

The rules do not affect small stores such as chemists, newsagencies and take-away shops.

But Mr Rowe said it was outrageous that department stores, supermarkets and clothing stores had sought to open at all.

Darqeyes 12:03 pm 20 Apr 09

World wars, in fact any war is about idealism, whether one is mightier than the other or my ideal is better than yours. Here we live in a non-repressive society, for the most part that is, and part of that is self determination of how we operate our country and state and society. And as part of that we determine when we do trading hours, although from a point of view, why is everywhere closed on one of the busiest days of the Australian calendar? What sense is there in that? Yes, I know shops are a commercial business but they are always a Service provider to the community at-large, for the good of everybody by being able to trade and provide goods.
It might have been applicable to have short trading hours years ago, when John Howard tried to turn back the clock to his beloved Menzies era LOL but times have changed, and so has the world. Time to get with the plot everybody, it here to stay.
If you really want a decent ANZAC Day remembrance for all, make it so that you can buy food and drinkies at decent prices and not be forced to pay thru the nose for often a poor substitute food and service. PLUS ANZAC Day needs to be more than just a few diggers, frail and not so simply filing past the memorial, but a day of when we get to see and touch that which is the National Defense Forces, past, present and future to get a perception of what it it for, its meaning etc.

vg 11:38 am 20 Apr 09

They lost me when the ACT Branch had a president who had never been in the military, just a returning peacekeeper

Furry Jesus 11:32 am 20 Apr 09

Perhaps the RSL is getting too old and tired to keep it up?

BerraBoy68 11:06 am 20 Apr 09

While I can see merit on both side of this argument FJ, for mine Freedom is relative. Why you may be free to spend ANZAC Day at your leisure, the staff that work in these shops aren’t and they won’t get a choice in it either.

Personally, I will be working this ANZAC Day (not in retail, thank god) and will miss my 6 yr old son marching for the first time with his grandfather.

On a seperate but related topic, I haven’t seen the RSL trotting out the tired old argument that they don’t want kids marching this year. Have they finally got the message?

Furry Jesus 10:57 am 20 Apr 09

Thumper said :

I couldn’t care less although I am a little bemused at why shops seem to think they need to be open 24 hours a day, 365 days a week.

To make a living?

Thumper 10:53 am 20 Apr 09

I couldn’t care less although I am a little bemused at why shops seem to think they need to be open 24 hours a day, 365 days a week.

Furry Jesus 10:43 am 20 Apr 09

bubzie said :

..is this really how we spend anzac day? instead of remembering the war, or heck even at the rsl, we’re ..shopping.

I have a feeling that ANZAC Day is for remembering all our fallen soliders (not just one war) and what they died for. Apparently this is best done by imposing some strange limits on the ability of the citizenry to go about their daily business.

I’m more likely to reflect on the wars that our country has fought and the bravery and sacrifice of our soldiers while reading ANZAC Day articles in the newspaper as I’m sitting in my favourite corner of my local cafe than I am when I’m standing in front of a locked door with a sign saying ‘Closed for ANZAC Day’.

BerraBoy68 10:19 am 20 Apr 09

bubzie said :

is this really how we spend anzac day? instead of remembering the war, or heck even at the rsl, we’re ..shopping.

*sigh*

+1. While I believe cafe’s, restaurants, clubs and other places where people gather to reminisce should be open on ANZAC Day, I don’t think we really need to have DJ’s Myers, Kmart etc. also open. Surely shops aren’t doing it that tough that they need to be open every day of the year? Also, from experince I know many retail staff appreciate having a special day to spend with their grandparents, uncles etc. following the March.

captainwhorebags 10:16 am 20 Apr 09

If the stores want to open, so be it.

If you see it as a body blow to the spirit of the ANZACs and all that they fought for (seriously, I don’t think they’d give a toss) then don’t patronise the stores. Traders would soon see it as a very expensive exercise to stay open if nobody’s buying.

Last year I remember it being very difficult to get a spot at a cafe after the dawn service, so I’d welcome some extra stores being open.

vg 10:16 am 20 Apr 09

Is it just me, or are people getting sick and tired of the RSL and similiar orgs trying to dictate to people how, when and where they will commemorate servicemen and women?

FFS, shops are open every other day of the year (more or less). Why is this day an exception? And before anyone says anything about ‘what would you know’ I am an ex-serviceman.

No dramas about people smashing the piss and associated binge drinking issues apparently, but don’t dare open a shop. I have always found working Anzac day evening quite a testing day in my profession as well, something the RSL people won’t acknowledge but tacitly encourage through their alcohol fuelled commemorations.

My grandfather served in a couple of actual world wars. He couldn’t give a rats if the shops are open that day or not. He commemorates it in his own way, maybe the RSL should let people do it their own way

bubzie 10:09 am 20 Apr 09

*shudder*

I work in retail, and the amount of people that go into a panic that we’re closed FOR FOUR AND A HALF HOURS!!!1!!! is just pathetic. (Or old retail job, we were closed for ..6 hours. oh no!)

And the crowds when we open..is this really how we spend anzac day? instead of remembering the war, or heck even at the rsl, we’re ..shopping.

*sigh*

(Am not looking forward to work on saturday, cant you tell??)

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