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APS Salary negotiation

By GuyBrushThreepwood - 19 July 2010 34

I am an APS and I attended an interview last week for a position (higher classification) in a different government agency.

I have been told (informally) that I am selected for the role. Due to the different pay scales adopted by the government agencies in the APS, it would mean that I end up getting slightly less than what I get now if I take up the job.

I would like to know when and how to approach the salary negotiation process? Has anyone been in a similar situation before?

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34 Responses to
APS Salary negotiation
BundahBoy 9:25 pm 19 Jul 10

In the circumstance, now is the time to negotiate your salary, push it..push it

Thumper 8:59 pm 19 Jul 10

Yeah CK, I’m quite happy in my low to middle range 🙂

SpellingAndGrammar 8:54 pm 19 Jul 10

Definately let the Chair of the panel know what you are currently on. If you are moving up to the next level, I would even hit them up for the top of that particular level. All salary levels should be published on their website and if not, you can find it in each Agency’s Annual Report. Incidentally, while there is huge variation across the APS now, that is likely to flatten out if the ALP gets back in, as it is a huge disincentive to transfer at level which they are trying to address – all in the interests of a better experienced workforce. The reason Treasury and Finance get more is because at certain times of the year, they get flogged. At PM&C you might get flogged but you get paid pittance because it’s a priviledge to work there – go figure.

Clown Killer 7:07 pm 19 Jul 10

EL1, taking the max up to around $111K

Wow! I really am in the wrong department…

The folks at DCCEE make sure that they well and truely get their pound of flesh for that price though Thumper.

Antagonist 6:52 pm 19 Jul 10

I haven’t worked in public sector payroll for about 2 years now (both ACTGS and APS), but the accepted practice has been to maintain your current salary level until it is absorbed by the payscale in your new agency. In most (if not all) agencies this salary maintenance is ‘automatic’.

TheVirulentOne 6:32 pm 19 Jul 10

You need to read their Certified Industrial Agreement, this situation is covered in every one that I’ve seen – it’s generally up to the delegate to decide your new salary in this situation once you’ve been offered/accepted the job.

NickD 6:30 pm 19 Jul 10

jessieduck said :

My understanding is that you basically show them your current payslip and current pay scale and they match it.

Yes, same. In 2007 I moved from a department where I was on an AWA to another department where I was on a Certified Agreement they bumped me up the salary scale by an increment (eg, from APS 6.1 to 6.2) so I wasn’t financially worse off. If they could, and did, do it under WorkChoices there should be no problems now.

54-11 6:27 pm 19 Jul 10

Go to the CPSU site (http://www.cpsu.org.au/campaigns/news/18288.html) for details of the pay rates of every agency. This comprehensive table gives a good insight into what Gungahlin Al highlights above – it is plain crazy.

What appals me is that agencies like DoFA and Treasury, which hold the purse strings, have made sure that their pay scales are well over the top. Talk about feathering your own nest, and screwing those agencies that have little or no influence.

It also shows that those agencies that tend to have a higher female workforce tend to be at the bottom end of the pay scales.

Thumper 5:36 pm 19 Jul 10

EL1, taking the max up to around $111K

Wow! I really am in the wrong department…

nathan 5:08 pm 19 Jul 10

Totally OT, but Monsieur Threepwood has the best nick ever. I sincerely hope this thread descends into post after post of Monkey Island references.

Gungahlin Al 4:54 pm 19 Jul 10

Belles said :

I am of the understanding that if you are transferring from one APS agency to another you can also transfer the higher pay level.

It was about 12 months or longer when I applied for a higher position at one agency that way paying slightly less than the agency that I was allready at. When I asked at the interview they told me that if I did a transfer and I was at a higher pay rate then they would transfer the higher pay rate too.

Yep – what Belles said. But then you have a period of catchup where you don’t get rises until back on parity.

The difference in pay scales is just dumb, and a major blockage on inter-dept mobility. What EL1 on $97K is going to transfer to another dept where the top is $91K? DCCEE even has two extra levels on EL1, taking the max up to around $111K.

jessieduck 4:23 pm 19 Jul 10

My understanding is that you basically show them your current payslip and current pay scale and they match it.

Belles 3:59 pm 19 Jul 10

I am of the understanding that if you are transferring from one APS agency to another you can also transfer the higher pay level.

It was about 12 months or longer when I applied for a higher position at one agency that way paying slightly less than the agency that I was allready at. When I asked at the interview they told me that if I did a transfer and I was at a higher pay rate then they would transfer the higher pay rate too.

I would be looking into it as soon as you officially know you have the position and talk to both the current agency that you work for and the new agency you work for.

It is important to note that this usually only works if you transfer though. If you resign and then are re-employed into the APS then its not classed as continuos service and may not count.

Transferring is really good though because you can take all your leave benefits from one agency to the other and you won’t loose them. (especially good for LSL and sick leave)

colourful sydney rac 3:59 pm 19 Jul 10

Have a look at their enterprise agreement which will be on their website – check out the pay rates for the salary band, find the one that will not leave you disadvantaged and put it to the chair of the selection committee – I have done this several times and as long as it is within the band you suhould be fine.

BimboGeek 3:41 pm 19 Jul 10

Sometimes you sacrifice your salary for a jump in prestige/responsibility. These jobs can be very competitive because lots of people see them as a foot in the door.

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