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Are you really so vacuous as to change your vote over plastic bags? [With Poll]

johnboy 6 August 2012 68

It started with the Canberra Liberals having a mumble to the Canberra Times about wanting to see the review of the plastic bag ban before the election.

But then the seething fury of all Canberra’s angry old men lifted them up like a raging tide and we now have a media release promising a complete overturn of the plastic bag ban if elected.

ACT Opposition Leader Zed Seselja today announced that if elected, a Canberra Liberals Government will overturn the ACT Labor/Greens Coalition’s plastic bag ban. Mr Seselja said today’s announcement will give choice back to businesses and consumers.

Now for mine sure it was another embuggerance in this vale of tears achieving not very much at all. But does that 10c at the supermarket or remembering to take a bag with me make any real difference in my life? Not really.

Does this issue really matter to you?

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UPDATE 06/08/12 13:55: Simon Corbell is expressing some surprise at Zed’s position considering how mad keen Vicki Dunne has been on banning plastic bags in the past.


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HenryBG HenryBG 6:33 pm 09 Aug 12

Pork Hunt said :

c_c said :

Pork Hunt said :

So are you a member of your local “wildfire” brigade?

We have certain terms and terminology in Australia and wildfire is no substitute for bushfire.

There is no fire fighting organisation in Australia that incorporates the phrase ‘Bushfire Brigade’ in their name.

NSW Rural Fire Service
Country Fire Authority
Country Fire Service
Tasmanian Fire Service
ACT Rural Fire Service
NT Fire and Rescue
Qld Fire and Rescue

Even the Fire Brigades disagree with you:

For example, one component of the NSW RFS Crew Leader training is ‘Crew Leader Wildfire’ – which includes the competencies: ‘Suppress Wildfire’ and ‘Suppress Urban Fire’

A Group Leader then receives further training in ‘Advanced wildfire behaviour’ and ‘Advanced wildfire suppression’

Well who the hell changed all that before seeking my approval?

It’s probably caused by cultural cringe experienced during winter stints working in California – they go over there, and Americans are so insular and thick that they don’t understand “bushfire” and when it’s explained to them, they treat us like *we*’re the ones who’re dumb for saying something *they* are too stupid to understand.

Aussie firefighters should be proud of their country, their culture, and their language and not bow down to Yankee cultural imperialism.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 5:35 pm 09 Aug 12

c_c said :

Pork Hunt said :

So are you a member of your local “wildfire” brigade?

We have certain terms and terminology in Australia and wildfire is no substitute for bushfire.

There is no fire fighting organisation in Australia that incorporates the phrase ‘Bushfire Brigade’ in their name.

NSW Rural Fire Service
Country Fire Authority
Country Fire Service
Tasmanian Fire Service
ACT Rural Fire Service
NT Fire and Rescue
Qld Fire and Rescue

Even the Fire Brigades disagree with you:

For example, one component of the NSW RFS Crew Leader training is ‘Crew Leader Wildfire’ – which includes the competencies: ‘Suppress Wildfire’ and ‘Suppress Urban Fire’

A Group Leader then receives further training in ‘Advanced wildfire behaviour’ and ‘Advanced wildfire suppression’

Well who the hell changed all that before seeking my approval?

Baldy Baldy 10:51 am 08 Aug 12

HenryBG said :

And according to Miranda Devine in today’s Daily Telegraph,

[i]”The results in South Australia show the ban there may actually have caused worse pollution. Clean Up Australia Day last year found people were dumping more plastic bags on the state than they did the previous year. Even worse, they are now dumping the reusable imported Chinese-made heavy gauge “green” bags _ which Peter Garrett used to call “canvas” but which are really made of another type of plastic, polypropylene.
Each one equates to 1000 polyethylene bags and, unlike the old bags, they cannot be recycled easily.
In fact, the old bags may even be eco-friendly in solid landfill, according to a 2006 cost-benefit analysis by the Productivity Commission, because of their “stabilising qualities, leachate minimisation and minimising (of) greenhouse-gas emissions”.
What’s more, since most of us recycle supermarket plastic bags as bin liners, lunch bags, footy-boot carriers and dog-poo holders, we will just have to buy more expensive plastic bags to do the same job.
Lo and behold, when South Australia banned plastic bags in 2009, the sale of Glad plastic bin liners in the state went through the roof to double the national average.”[/i]

In the current environment where the rightards will manufacture any opportunity to further their money-grubbing rape of the planet, I’d say the last thing we need are “environmental” laws which are not evidence-based and are instead based on pure ideology to satisfy the pseudo-Green communists’ lust for compulsion over their fellow-citizens.

Heh! Someone actually quote Miranda Devine as a reputable source of information.

c_c c_c 5:21 pm 07 Aug 12

milkman said :

Once again, throwing mud at the local Libs doesn’t help you. I’m not a fan of the local libs!! I even said they were no better previously! But none of this changes the fact that local Labor have done a crap job.

There’s a lot of writing out there about how political parties rely on three things:

1. Voters won’t listen to fact when it goes against their own existing bias

2. Voters have piddling attention spans

3. Voters have shocking memory

I guess they’re very right.

davo101 davo101 11:13 am 07 Aug 12

bundah said :

More importantly why is Mr.G (MIA)?

Victory lap?

Thumper Thumper 10:28 am 07 Aug 12

bundah said :

Wtf does it matter whether it’s bushfire or wildfire got to do with the vacuous who gives a fcuk soooo important that it’s vote changing debate on plastic bags?? More importantly why is Mr.G (MIA)?

As I have previously noted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

bundah bundah 9:50 am 07 Aug 12

Wtf does it matter whether it’s bushfire or wildfire got to do with the vacuous who gives a fcuk soooo important that it’s vote changing debate on plastic bags?? More importantly why is Mr.G (MIA)?

davo101 davo101 9:45 am 07 Aug 12

rhino said :

Whichever saves me time overall.

Have you thought about ordering your groceries on-line? Would save a lot of time as you don’t have to drive to the supermarket, park, collect you items, checkout, drive home.

davo101 davo101 9:28 am 07 Aug 12

rhino said :

So you seem to be saying that because labour spend heaps of money on things that someone recommends to them, and get into debt which we pay interest to banks on and get nothing for…that they are superior.

Sorry, I must of been out of the room when I said this. I really have no opinion on this as I’m sure all three parties are equally incompetent as each other when it comes to managing these things.

rhino said :

And your example is that they didn’t spend billions and run up debt in the 90s on a dam, which would be benefiting us today how? Everything is a cost vs benefit balance. In the 90s there was no serious drought in Canberra. Today our dams are full and have been for a while now. They were getting low for a little while but we managed fine. Not the best example of them doing something wrong. What about the years while we were actually in drought and labor didn’t build a dam? It would have seemed more urgent then.

This is the bit that pisses me off. In water supply engineering one of the key points is that dams need to be built before you need them, once you are in a drought it’s too late to be doing it. Canberra used to have a water supply system that was designed to supply 450 000 people, which is all nice and good still more than we have living here. However, in 1998 the government introduced environmental releases which has been estimated to have increased the load on the system to the equivalent of 540 000 people. Note that this was a deliberate choice to overload the water supply system without starting any augmentation work. You claim we made it through fine but in water supply terms restrictions are an emergency response you put in when your system fails. We were effectively in failure mode for five years. Level 3 is getting pretty bad and that was about two years.

VYBerlinaV8_is_back VYBerlinaV8_is_back 9:14 am 07 Aug 12

Sheesh – this has been running all night!

devils_advocate devils_advocate 9:11 am 07 Aug 12

SnapperJack said :

Along came Mr G and wullah!

Voila. It’s a french word.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 8:59 am 07 Aug 12

Pork Hunt said :

c_c said :

@ Porkhunt,

Wildfires
Bushfires that are lit accidentally, lit by arson or as a result of a lightning strike, and burn unchecked, are called ‘wildfires’.”

And then there’s sub classifications about whether it’s forrest-fire or grass-fire.

Source: CSIRO
http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Safeguarding-Australia/BushfireTypes.aspx

In Austraya it’s called a “forest”, not “forrest”.
Further, I don’t give a flying fcuk what the CSIRO call anything. In this country, fires in the bush, i.e. “bushfires” have been called “bushfires” since time immemorial.
Cheers cobber.

OK so we’ve established Real Australians ™ only use the term Bushfire ™. Doesn’t change the fact that fires cause significant problems in catchment areas as was the case in 2003 and that securing water supply should be the upmost priority of any authority.

Irrespective of whether you subcribe to existing climate cycles or projected climate cycles, anyone who thinks water won’t be an issue in an expanding Canberra, or Australia, or the rest of the world for that matter, has their head buried deeply in a dry creek bed.

rosscoact rosscoact 8:17 am 07 Aug 12

SnapperJack said :

The power of RiotACT or is Mr Gillespie now Zed’s policy advisor? Perhaps both. Up until the recent posting here by Mr G the Libs said they wouldn’t repeal the plastic bag ban. Along came Mr G and wullah! A backflip by Zed – announced on 2CC this morning – and now a clear choice at the election.

Have we ever seen Mr G and Mr Z in the same room?

milkman milkman 7:08 am 07 Aug 12

c_c said :

Keep digging yourself a bigger hole milkman.

“The receipts also show that the Canberra Liberals declared $585,000 in donations, gifts and rental payments from its property holdings, down from the $657,810 it declared in 2009-10.

The declarations show the party has made progress with its bank overdraft, reducing it to $102,000 from $136,000 the previous year.

Seems debt works fine to keep the Liberal Party itself afloat, it’s only a dirty word when debt is instead used for public benefit and infrastructure.

Funny that the Libs are struggling to pay off their overdraft too, howzat for financial management.

Source: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/politics/act-greens-funding-keeps-growing-20120131-1t864.html

Once again, throwing mud at the local Libs doesn’t help you. I’m not a fan of the local libs!! I even said they were no better previously! But none of this changes the fact that local Labor have done a crap job.

milkman milkman 7:06 am 07 Aug 12

c_c said :

milkman said :

ACT Labor couldn’t run a chook raffle, much less manage a large building project without massive cost overrrun and time delays.

Kate Carnell + Bruce Stadium + Cost Overruns + Vote of No Confidence = doh.

c_c trying to divert attention from the current ACT Labor govt numerous failures = doh.

ummmm_no ummmm_no 1:19 am 07 Aug 12

c_c said :

CSIRO = educated scientists and researchers.
Porkhunt = not

c_c = tiresome Uniboy Google-monkey

Gerry-Built Gerry-Built 11:49 pm 06 Aug 12

…(perhaps not surprisingly) the strongest ACTUAL policy announced in ACT politics so far in the lead up to the election… still… it’ll be nice to have free bin liners back and not have to pay for them…

c_c c_c 10:38 pm 06 Aug 12

Pork Hunt said :

So are you a member of your local “wildfire” brigade?

We have certain terms and terminology in Australia and wildfire is no substitute for bushfire.

There is no fire fighting organisation in Australia that incorporates the phrase ‘Bushfire Brigade’ in their name.

NSW Rural Fire Service
Country Fire Authority
Country Fire Service
Tasmanian Fire Service
ACT Rural Fire Service
NT Fire and Rescue
Qld Fire and Rescue

Even the Fire Brigades disagree with you:

For example, one component of the NSW RFS Crew Leader training is ‘Crew Leader Wildfire’ – which includes the competencies: ‘Suppress Wildfire’ and ‘Suppress Urban Fire’

A Group Leader then receives further training in ‘Advanced wildfire behaviour’ and ‘Advanced wildfire suppression’

JC JC 10:18 pm 06 Aug 12

The libs ain’t dumb, but the voters are. The libs come out with ‘policies’ on issues like this because they know they will get a few votes out of it and make a few headlines. But in the grand scheme of things anyone voting because they are over turning a silly bag ban needs their head read. There are more important issues, however the libs don’t want them discussed as it will show they have no real plan.

Libs in NSW did the same thing, targeted so called issues such as speed cameras where there is community resentment, but once in power they are no different. However their transport policies in general went unchecked and are coming up short.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 9:51 pm 06 Aug 12

c_c said :

CSIRO = educated scientists and researchers.
Porkhunt = not

So are you a member of your local “wildfire” brigade?

We have certain terms and terminology in Australia and wildfire is no substitute for bushfire.

Equally abhorrent are the American terms “straightaway” (a piece of straight motor racing track, thank you Darryl Beattie) and “touch down” (a method of scoring in their bullshit footy code) which have made their way into Aussie language.

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