Assault in Manuka?

Zeus, I’m a UC student doing media course. I need to produce a tv news story in this semester. I think the assault in Manuka is a good case, not so big, no serious result, but worth thinking. I’d like to interview witness and people from local community and shoot some footage of the crime scene. Voice from the school and the police will also be used if i can get access to them.

If you see my post and you are willing to have a short interview. Contact me.

My email address:fox_mulder_hx@live.cn

Postalgeek said :

Skidd, from the sound of it most of the thugs were wearing Catholic school uniforms, so I’m guessing not.

Oh, Aboriginals can’t wear Catholic uniforms?

Jim Jones said :

exfed2 said :

jasere said :

but random assaults/attacks are never just random.

What a silly comment. I have seen, been told of and read about numerous randon assaults. What do you think occurs when someone is the subject of an aggravated robbery and are punched to the ground. Do you think they provoked or deserved such an act? What about the 81 year old grandfather in the US who was set upon by two 16 year olds on the way home from his grandaughters wedding? He was killed and the boys have stated they just wanted to impress some girls and it was the first person they saw. Seems random to me

Aggravated robbery is when someone is targeted because they are believed to have money.

Just for the record aggravated robbery is when a robbery is committed by either a lone person who is in possession of a weapon (compared to robbery where no weapon is present) or when a robbery is committed by more than one person (no weapon needed)

Has nothing to do with money, can be for any reason. Same applies to aggravated assault, burglary etc

farnarkler said :

The cops should’ve given the scumbags a taste of capsicum spray/mace/whatever they’re equipped with.

Lead.

The question of which schools remains?

Oh and how do I donate/fund the RiotACT Vigilante Taskforce?…headed by Captain RAAF…

Jim Jones said :

“the offenders stated they were just walking the streets, and decided to attack another youth walkiing home”

I wouldn’t classify that as ‘random’ – a target of opportunity, yes, but that’s not random.

OK then…………… a target of opportunity would involve making the decision before heading out not just deciding to do this on the spot. Oh well I suppose each persons definition of random is different 🙂

Wish there was an edit feature for grammatical errors!

Skidd Marx

Sorry to hear of your misfortune and glad to see you at least came away with a sense of humour although less a tooth. Always best in those circumstances to gouge some skin or brab a tuft of hair. Reason? When the Police say,

‘we can’t procede due to lack of evedence’

you say,

‘Yes you can because here is his/her dna’ 🙂

Even if it takes years for these pieces of pond scum to commit another offence leaving their dna so be it. Will always follow them.

“the offenders stated they were just walking the streets, and decided to attack another youth walkiing home”

I wouldn’t classify that as ‘random’ – a target of opportunity, yes, but that’s not random. There are still factors dictating who would and would not be attacked (the people in question here wouldn’t attack anyone in a group, or someone really big, for example).

Skidd, from the sound of it most of the thugs were wearing Catholic school uniforms, so I’m guessing not.

You could write an essay on what is ‘random’, but there is such a thing as being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The intent may have been building for a while, but the selection of the victim can be opportunistic or ‘random’.

And some people just do fuckwit things that even they can’t explain later on.

At the expense of being crucified by the lefty readers amongst us, may I ask if the offenders were of Aboriginal appearance? Reason I ask is because I used to work nearby the Maccas there and I had the crap beaten out of me for not having a cigarette to give away one day walking to my car. This was about 9 months ago though, and the police could not have been less interested since I hadn’t actually been murdered or raped. But if anyone happens to find a human tooth somewhere in the vicinity of Subway Manuka I’d be grateful for its return.

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Jim Jones said :

exfed2 said :

jasere said :

but random assaults/attacks are never just random.

What a silly comment. I have seen, been told of and read about numerous randon assaults. What do you think occurs when someone is the subject of an aggravated robbery and are punched to the ground. Do you think they provoked or deserved such an act? What about the 81 year old grandfather in the US who was set upon by two 16 year olds on the way home from his grandaughters wedding? He was killed and the boys have stated they just wanted to impress some girls and it was the first person they saw. Seems random to me

Aggravated robbery is when someone is targeted because they are believed to have money.

The case of the kids wanting to impress girls picked the next person they saw.

Neither are random: there are factors that decide who is targeted. None of this has anything to do with ‘provoked or deserved’.

Your argument has some merits Jim however I has personally been in attendance at an aggravated robbery where the offenders stated they were just walking the streets, and decided to attack another youth walkiing home. It was just a ‘bonus’ apparently that he had money and a phone. Sounds random to me…………….. comment was made that assaults/attacks are never random. That is far from the truth

CHW said :

Really we need a playground just for big kids, with indestructible equipment and places to just sit and talk. That would get them away from Manuka.

There is such a place. And it is called Bimberi formerly Quamby. For the big kids that act in a mnner described above. Put them before Karen Fryar!

exfed2 said :

jasere said :

but random assaults/attacks are never just random.

What a silly comment. I have seen, been told of and read about numerous randon assaults. What do you think occurs when someone is the subject of an aggravated robbery and are punched to the ground. Do you think they provoked or deserved such an act? What about the 81 year old grandfather in the US who was set upon by two 16 year olds on the way home from his grandaughters wedding? He was killed and the boys have stated they just wanted to impress some girls and it was the first person they saw. Seems random to me

Aggravated robbery is when someone is targeted because they are believed to have money.

The case of the kids wanting to impress girls picked the next person they saw.

Neither are random: there are factors that decide who is targeted. None of this has anything to do with ‘provoked or deserved’.

I have had a couple of run-ins with the Youth Of Today (Manuka version) myself – write a letter to the principals of the high schools involved detailing the incident, and giving descriptions of the individuals involved.

I often see these kids down there and I dislike the way SOME behave towards passersby. Not all of them, just a few of them are consistently a pain in the arse. They arc up over anything; it can be as simple as a comment that their language is inappropriate.

Really we need a playground just for big kids, with indestructible equipment and places to just sit and talk. That would get them away from Manuka.

jasere said :

but random assaults/attacks are never just random.

What a silly comment. I have seen, been told of and read about numerous randon assaults. What do you think occurs when someone is the subject of an aggravated robbery and are punched to the ground. Do you think they provoked or deserved such an act? What about the 81 year old grandfather in the US who was set upon by two 16 year olds on the way home from his grandaughters wedding? He was killed and the boys have stated they just wanted to impress some girls and it was the first person they saw. Seems random to me

No excuse whats so ever. Its a genuine question on a branch, with my long bow, at night. The question has more to do with motivation. They sounded pretty motivated. There is always more to the story. The thing is, is it just more victimizing the victim.

Kt01 said :

Yeah the valuable lesson that I am sure the youths will learn is that they can behave like this and get away with it. No charges, I would say that’s intensified by the fact that they are minors. Society will let them get away with being criminals because they are young and don’t know any better – what a joke.

Well, we don’t know if there will be charges laid or not, do we?

Regardless, whether they are charged or not, I doubt ‘people’ like this will learn any lesson whatsoever.

fgzk said :

Why do you think these kids targeted this particular women?

Is that a question or a statement? Not having a stab just curious about a few of your comments. Maybe there is more to the story however no excuse whatsoever for assaulting this particular woman especially not in front of a young child.

So why do you think these kids thought it was “right” to publicly attack the victim? Why would a victim not want to press charges with the police? Why would the police not be interested in pursuing this (if that is what is happening)?

I don’t think the kids have any idea that they will “get off”. My guess would be that they are shitting themselves.

I only asked because it wasn’t mentioned in the OP.
Well done Zeus.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

So, apart from giving a statement, what did you do? Watch?

What would you do, hero? And how much would you like to bet that when push comes to shove comes to ‘maybe one of them has a knife’ you don’t raise a finger?

@ WMC, yeah I probably would have , who Knows?
I have before in Civic, even knowing the nutcase had a knife.
Luckily I’m 6’3″ & 125 kg….it helps.
Let’s see if the super expensive CCTV network in Manuka is put to good use!

Zeus said:
“Makes me very concerned about shopping/visiting Manuka.”

I have shared this concern for many years – and that was before I knew about the random acts of violence.

fgzk said :

“Society will let them get away with being criminals because they are young and don’t know any better – what a joke. “

I think you might be missing the point. It may not be that society will let them get away with it(who thinks consequences) but actually encouraged them to target this women in the first place.

If they where in school uniform then name the schools. There image is not tarnished if they are not named.

im not sure how kt missed the point i think she says that society letting them get away with it in the first place is what leads to these random attacks.. ppl this age know the difference between right and wrong and so should be punished when they are wrong. society is generally to afraid to judge youths as they think its going to come back as being harsh
wich i think these youths understand and exploit.

Was anything said or done to provoke the assault or was it just totally random something must of lead up to it.

Not that I’m in anyway defending the youths but random assaults/attacks are never just random.

Funnily enough, the school is more likely to discipline them than the law courts. What a joke.

Definitely alert the school, they usually send a scout to check up a reported problem area after school. I was busted smoking after school this way a few times.

But I really hope that CCTV footage is useful.

In saying that, I don’t know the full story and I strongly doubt anyone would attack a mother/child for no reason. Not that there is an excuse of course.

The cops should’ve given the scumbags a taste of capsicum spray/mace/whatever they’re equipped with.

“Society will let them get away with being criminals because they are young and don’t know any better – what a joke. “

I think you might be missing the point. It may not be that society will let them get away with it(who thinks consequences) but actually encouraged them to target this women in the first place.

If they where in school uniform then name the schools. There image is not tarnished if they are not named.

I would definitely suggest that you contact the schools involved and let them know what their students are getting up to while in uniform. If they’re anything like the school I went to then they’ll be very interested in finding the offenders and punishing them for tarnishing the school’s public image.

I hope that the readers of this forum will step in if they see this happening again or at least photograph the perpetrators in the act.

Yeah the valuable lesson that I am sure the youths will learn is that they can behave like this and get away with it. No charges, I would say that’s intensified by the fact that they are minors. Society will let them get away with being criminals because they are young and don’t know any better – what a joke.

Catholic school children? Whatever happened to respecting others?

What is wrong with the world.

At least there was someone there who had the courage to stand up to them.

Why do you think these kids targeted this particular women?

Where was Captain RAAF. All talk and no action!

regardless of which one did the deed there should be serious action taken towards all the youths involved.
just being there as part of the mob should be something that needs to be punished.
This kind of behavior shouldn’t be tolerated at all. I hate how the fear of being charged for assault or the fear of getting in trouble for hurting these kids stops alot of ppl even police from taking the action required to teach them a lesson. and it gives the kids this stupid misconception that they can get away with anything

really grinds my gears

I think the Police have a tough job trying to get the truth from a group of youths. I was there, and it was very difficult to identify who the offender was, the young men all looked similar (similar hair cuts and height etc). A few of the youths ran around the corner and changed jumpers – which of course made it hard to work out who was who. The young men were all giving different accounts to the police…once they get the footage from the CCTV, hopefully it will clearly show who was responsible.
The group where from a local catholic boys school, a local public high school and some of the girls were from a catholic school in the city. Surely the schools should be notified that their students are causing problems around Manuka shops!?

fgzk, they were calling the women every four letter word imaginable, and telling me that if the police weren’t there that I wouldn’t be so tough…that they would take me on…that sort of thing.

Not sure how business in Manuka is impacted by this.

Anyway, I will keep Riotacters updated and hopefully these youths will learn a valuable lesson…

fgzk said :

What where the kids yelling at her?

Why do you want to know this so bad? Were you there?

fgzk said :

What where the kids yelling at her?

Why is this so important to you? Unless you are involved somehow? If so come clean.

no charges.. what a joke.. clearly these sort of idiots aren’t going to be much of a contribution to the community once they are past 18, Zeus u deserve a medal for your actions 🙂 i wouldn’t think you were a bad person if u went ninja on em and snapped all there necks..

maybe this is a job for the red berets
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/vigilantes-to-target-canberra-crime-hot-spots/1717426.aspx

What where the kids yelling at her?

So, apart from giving a statement, what did you do? Watch?

What would you do, hero? And how much would you like to bet that when push comes to shove comes to ‘maybe one of them has a knife’ you don’t raise a finger?

How can there not be a charge laid. If she was punched to the ground, that sounds like grounds for a charge (unless you were exaggerating). The courts will deliver nothing more than a minor slap on the wrist, but at least it’s on record, and future charges stack to make a more damning record.

I suspect those cops are being lazy. And if one of those kids ever seriously hurts someone, those cops should be held responsible for not doing something earlier when they had the chance.

Zeus, congratulations for your bravery in this matter which would turn most people away. By the sounds of things if not for you the cowardly thugs most definately would have continued the assault.

If there had of been 5 or 6 men present teaching the cowards a public lesson would be the best justice. I mean imagine they tried this in the 60’s! These days as we all know any intervention ro assault on the underage ‘victims’ would result in a court appearance for the saviour/s

In a case such as this I would welcome the charge and even court appearance as I think the public outcry would be astronomical.

So an assault takes place with numerous witnesses but the police will not be charging the youth? They seem to have the same low opinion of the judicial system in this town as the rest of us if they don’t think it warrants their time and effort. That leaves Neanderthal and his groupies to go on doing what they like, when they like, to whoever they like. Wouldn’t it be nice if the police did charge and he got banged up for 5 years?

Firstly to pptvb, what did I do?, I ran to the aid of this woman, and stood with her and her terrified child as we waited for the police to arrive, I tried to ensure she was a safe. As for fgzk, the youths were not just yelling, there were coming right up to the woman as she was sitting on the ground in shock, they were not just yelling abuse, but coming right up to me and the woman threatening violence.
This was a very scaring situation as there were between 10 – 15 young men and maybe 5 young women. The mob mentality seemed to fill them with lots of courage, the 3 police officers had a hard time trying to keep them all in line.

What I find most disturbing is that even in a public area with a bunch of witnesses the police can’t charge anyone. Sounds like a story for the Canberra Times?

So, apart from giving a statement, what did you do?
Watch?

This has made me so angry! I hope there is more to the story!!

“youths continued to taunt the victim and her child”

What where they yelling?