5 January 2013

At what cost do we can summernats.

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Seems there is an ever increasing crime rate for the weekend of summernats.

At what point do we say no, and at what point do we start claiming for our share of the profits to fix all the property damage cause by interstate guests.

Just this morning I witnessed fireworks being let off at 1:30am in a grass paddock at the caravan park in Watson. Police arrived but drove around and didn’t even get out of their car… probably due to being out numbered 500 to 1… and on a 36+ degree day in the middle of a heat wave, that’s not asking for a bushfire at all.

How long do we have to put up with this stupid excuse for people to act brain dead so close to a largely populated area?

I thinks it’s time to move it out of EPIC and find a much more appropriate area.

Any thoughts welcome.

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NoImRight said :

Im neither for nor against the Nats. I live on the Southside so Im not affected by the much claimed hoons and vandalism of varying levels. I was put out a little this year as someone loading a car clearly destined for its hour of glory onto a trailer chose to do it in front of my driveway blocking me in for about 45 minutes. Apart from that though I remain angst free.

The main tedium is that every time this comes up on here its like a political debate. Both sides become more extreme and neither one is prepared to concede any ground. Im not sure why eitehr group still bothers? Those against the event will never concede it does any good whatsoever for Canberra and those for it will never concede that it does attract a lot of yobs and wannabes. Some of them probably do then try to emulate their “heroes” on various streets. They do it most other times of the year so why not when they are particularly excited in their confined minds? Can you blame Nats for that?

Im certainly for the event, and happily agree that some patrons that attend arent the fine upstanding citizens everyone wishes them to be. ….. The percentages may differ, but you’ll get that with any event though

Im neither for nor against the Nats. I live on the Southside so Im not affected by the much claimed hoons and vandalism of varying levels. I was put out a little this year as someone loading a car clearly destined for its hour of glory onto a trailer chose to do it in front of my driveway blocking me in for about 45 minutes. Apart from that though I remain angst free.

The main tedium is that every time this comes up on here its like a political debate. Both sides become more extreme and neither one is prepared to concede any ground. Im not sure why eitehr group still bothers? Those against the event will never concede it does any good whatsoever for Canberra and those for it will never concede that it does attract a lot of yobs and wannabes. Some of them probably do then try to emulate their “heroes” on various streets. They do it most other times of the year so why not when they are particularly excited in their confined minds? Can you blame Nats for that?

c_c™ said :

[… The boy (and girl) racers who stick all sorts of crap on, but ironically make their car louder, slower and smoggier, stuff them. They are brain dead.

Look out. We have yet another ‘truthiness’ statement from an armchair expert who did not attend Summernats. In the old days we used to just call it bulls***. What a load of tripe.

Northside-Guy said :

Why do you assume that if one likes highly modified motor vehicles that have been lovingly modified by their owners then they must be brain dead.

It’s not that simple. Those who actually put some thought and engineering in and make really impressive results, hey, good on them. The boy (and girl) racers who stick all sorts of crap on, but ironically make their car louder, slower and smoggier, stuff them. They are brain dead.

Girt_Hindrance5:42 pm 07 Jan 13

CoffinRX2 said :

Girt_Hindrance said :

CoffinRX2 said :

Police were great, .. but I hope they throw the book at the Territory driver who destroyed one entrants 10 year build due to inattention yesterday

I saw a pic of that Commodore, quite a mess and hope the driver is okay, luckily it didn’t have passengers in the rear at that stage, would have been fatal…
What speed did the Territory hit it at? Not much left apart from the front seats and engine bay…

We were talking to the driver on the way into Civic on Saturday night. He was fine, but still in a bit of shock. They had passengers in the rear seat until 2 blocks previous when they got out, so very very lucky.

Wow…
Super bad luck for the owner/driver, matrix style bullet dodging for the passengers.

Girt_Hindrance said :

CoffinRX2 said :

Police were great, .. but I hope they throw the book at the Territory driver who destroyed one entrants 10 year build due to inattention yesterday

I saw a pic of that Commodore, quite a mess and hope the driver is okay, luckily it didn’t have passengers in the rear at that stage, would have been fatal…
What speed did the Territory hit it at? Not much left apart from the front seats and engine bay…

We were talking to the driver on the way into Civic on Saturday night. He was fine, but still in a bit of shock. They had passengers in the rear seat until 2 blocks previous when they got out, so very very lucky.

BelcoMan said :

CoffinRX2 said :

To the ignorant fool on here posting that the Govt give Andy’s company money to stage the event, isnt for tourism? Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

More than happy to explain it for you without resorting to childish name calling.

1. The figures are Hypothetical but I think you will get the drift. The Event generates $800,000 profit for Out There productions before any financial support from the Govt. The government now gives $300,000 to OTP as part of their Event support, so OTP now show a profit for the event of $1,100,000. As OTP is a commercial, privately owned operation, the Govt has now directly contributed to the take home pay packets of the directors of OTP of which Andy Lopez is one of them.

Thankyou for finally acknowledging that you work for the event and I admire your loyalty. It is important for people to understand where you are coming from when assessing your figures that you quote.

Firstly I dont work FOR Summernats, I work for a company who attends Summernats. …. So yes the company I work for hands over money to Summernats Pty Ltd, which in turn brings in people the the event from locals to interstate patrons, of which the company I work for can engage with, and hopefully win business from.

Similar analogy can be said for the ACT Govt, .. they supply funding to OTP which brings in tourists to the Greater ACT area, who spend there money here while this place is a Ghost Town. Also remember a lot of the tourists that come to town for Summernats generally have a high level of disposable income, and they spend it here in Canberra in town.

I cant understand how you dont think thats good for Canberra?

Holden Caulfield said :

BelcoMan said :

To use a simple analogy, what would all the supporters say if someone proposed to bring 20,000 murderers/rapists/paedophiles to Canberra for 4 days? Surely it would be acknowledged that the benefits of having the hotels/restaurants etc all full would not outweigh the risks involved?

Time for this event to move on I think.

So close, but you failed miserably at applying Godwin’s Law. Shame on you!

This sounds a bit like those idiots who used to flood newspapers with letters in the 1980s whenever gay law reform was proposed saying “Why don’t we legalise pedophilia, murder, robbery, adultery, etc etc”. It was a silly argument and analogy 30 years ago and it is even more ridiculous now.

Holden Caulfield1:17 pm 07 Jan 13

BelcoMan said :

To use a simple analogy, what would all the supporters say if someone proposed to bring 20,000 murderers/rapists/paedophiles to Canberra for 4 days? Surely it would be acknowledged that the benefits of having the hotels/restaurants etc all full would not outweigh the risks involved?

Time for this event to move on I think.

So close, but you failed miserably at applying Godwin’s Law. Shame on you!

JessP said :

I am not a fan of Summernats so I choose not to go, but I dont denigrate anyone who chosses to.

I understand that the MacDonalds at Mitchell (at the site of the old Shell) had its biggest trading day over the weekend….I would imagine that the petrol stations in the area, auto part suppliers, theWoolworths at Dickson and a large number of cafes and restuarants whould also experienced the same. I would also think that the camping/caravan parks and motels would have had good business for the four days. So Summernats is good for business in Canberra and brings in the dollars. How is this a problem?

I belive that the Maccas in Dickson at one stage held the Southern Hemisphere record for the greatest volume of sales in a 24hr period, and it was over a Summernats weekend. They’d open 24 hours a day for the duration of the Summernats, and this was before 24 hour opening became the norm for some sites.

BelcoMan said :

CoffinRX2 said :

To the ignorant fool on here posting that the Govt give Andy’s company money to stage the event, isnt for tourism? Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

More than happy to explain it for you without resorting to childish name calling.

1. The figures are Hypothetical but I think you will get the drift. The Event generates $800,000 profit for Out There productions before any financial support from the Govt. The government now gives $300,000 to OTP as part of their Event support, so OTP now show a profit for the event of $1,100,000. As OTP is a commercial, privately owned operation, the Govt has now directly contributed to the take home pay packets of the directors of OTP of which Andy Lopez is one of them.

Thankyou for finally acknowledging that you work for the event and I admire your loyalty. It is important for people to understand where you are coming from when assessing your figures that you quote.

What do you think the return to the territory is from increased money flowing into the ACT on what is usually an extremely quiet weekend?

Are you against government funding for any private tourist event or attraction or is it just this one?

I am not a fan of Summernats so I choose not to go, but I dont denigrate anyone who chosses to.

I understand that the MacDonalds at Mitchell (at the site of the old Shell) had its biggest trading day over the weekend….I would imagine that the petrol stations in the area, auto part suppliers, theWoolworths at Dickson and a large number of cafes and restuarants whould also experienced the same. I would also think that the camping/caravan parks and motels would have had good business for the four days. So Summernats is good for business in Canberra and brings in the dollars. How is this a problem?

arescarti42 said :

buzz819 said :

Definition – truthiness: a quality characterising a “truth” that a person claims to know intuitively “from the gut” or because it “feels right” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

Also a made up word by Stephen Colbert;
Truthiness is what you want the facts to be, as opposed to what the facts are. What feels like the right answer, as opposed to what reality will support.

Girt_Hindrance10:43 pm 06 Jan 13

CoffinRX2 said :

Police were great, .. but I hope they throw the book at the Territory driver who destroyed one entrants 10 year build due to inattention yesterday

I saw a pic of that Commodore, quite a mess and hope the driver is okay, luckily it didn’t have passengers in the rear at that stage, would have been fatal…
What speed did the Territory hit it at? Not much left apart from the front seats and engine bay…

CoffinRX2 said :

To the ignorant fool on here posting that the Govt give Andy’s company money to stage the event, isnt for tourism? Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

More than happy to explain it for you without resorting to childish name calling.

1. The figures are Hypothetical but I think you will get the drift. The Event generates $800,000 profit for Out There productions before any financial support from the Govt. The government now gives $300,000 to OTP as part of their Event support, so OTP now show a profit for the event of $1,100,000. As OTP is a commercial, privately owned operation, the Govt has now directly contributed to the take home pay packets of the directors of OTP of which Andy Lopez is one of them.

Thankyou for finally acknowledging that you work for the event and I admire your loyalty. It is important for people to understand where you are coming from when assessing your figures that you quote.

BelcoMan said :

To use a simple analogy, what would all the supporters say if someone proposed to bring 20,000 murderers/rapists/paedophiles to Canberra for 4 days? Surely it would be acknowledged that the benefits of having the hotels/restaurants etc all full would not outweigh the risks involved?

Time for this event to move on I think.

Wow……. I’m speechless!

You really need to work on your analogies a bit before posting them for the world to see.

To the ignorant fool on here posting that the Govt give Andy’s company money to stage the event, isnt for tourism? Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

Anyway I worked there this year for the 5th year in a row, and I have to say the crowd was probably the best behaved I’ve experienced there the whole time. The entrants quality was through the roof (and for those who believe its 80% falcons/commodores etc, you obviously didnt look too far) .. the number of spectators on the CityCruise was significantly up on last year, and according to Govt sources (not Summernats sources) up 50%

Police were great, .. but I hope they throw the book at the Territory driver who destroyed one entrants 10 year build due to inattention yesterday

It made the international news.

Looks like it was in Sydney.

Phew.

goggles13 said :

Coggo said :

And what is with everyone assuming I must be a public servant? Key words are “work” and “look at the date of the post” you f***wits.

so you think public servants don’t work? keep your bigoted opinions to yourself thanks

No what I was saying was they are not working on a Saturday in Watson.

Growling Ferret3:47 pm 06 Jan 13

Coggo said :

Lol, some people get so wound up. I was just posting to pass the time and stir up a bit of **** but it seems people take this way too seriously. I found the perfect location for summernats as well, in Queanbeyan with the rest of the booners.

And what is with everyone assuming I must be a public servant? Key words are “work” and “look at the date of the post” you f***wits.

Wow Coggo. You are a complete f*&%tard.

Coggo said :

And what is with everyone assuming I must be a public servant? Key words are “work” and “look at the date of the post” you f***wits.

so you think public servants don’t work? keep your bigoted opinions to yourself thanks

BelcoMan said :

For your sake Buzz I hope you didn’t spend too much time thinking all that up.

Facts –

ACT Govt contributes financial support directly to the owners of this Commercial Event. It is not here to generate tourism (Such as french paintings or Flower shows) but rather for someone to make money. Happy for Andy to make money from this but don’t ask the taxpayers to contribute to you generating an even higher income
The atendees are in town for more the just the 4 days the bogan nats are on. Whilst this may generate more income it also includes the associated anti social behaviour.
Andy Lopez’s spin doctors come on here with false figures about the volume of people attending and how they contribute to the Canberra economy? Does Mr Lopez have a registered company here in ACT or does all of the revenue from this event go back through his Sydney office?
100,000 people???? How are these figures generated? Start by dividing the numbers by the 4 days, then remove the traders, volunteers, administration, event staff etc and you start to get a realistic figure. I would estimate the peak of the attendance being Saturday afternoon at no more than 25,000 attendees.

Before all the wowsers come in with unintelligent things like “Gees you’re a spoilsport”, I have an interest in a business that increases turnover during the bogan nats period but would be happy to cop a downturn in trade to eliminate the associated issues.

To use a simple analogy, what would all the supporters say if someone proposed to bring 20,000 murderers/rapists/paedophiles to Canberra for 4 days? Surely it would be acknowledged that the benefits of having the hotels/restaurants etc all full would not outweigh the risks involved?

Time for this event to move on I think.

your stringing a few long bows in your post.

as others have said, everyone has different interests. therefore you might travel to another town to see a few paintings and flowers, but I wouldn’t waste my time doing that. I do note that some flower shows and painting exhibitions do charge people to attend, so someone is making a commercial gain.

I do think the Summernats contribute tourism dollars to the ACT and does have other benefits for this great city we live in – the nice environment, ease of getting around etc, etc

as for comparing Summernats with an event that would involve inviting murderers/paedophiles/rapists to Canberra, you have really missed the mark. sure there is anti-social behaviour at the Summernats, but really not on the same scale as murderers/paedophiles/rapists.

I feel dumber from having read your post.

Show me the evidence of this “ever increasing crime rate”.

BelcoMan said :

Before all the wowsers come in with unintelligent things like “Gees you’re a spoilsport”, I have an interest in a business that increases turnover during the bogan nats period but would be happy to cop a downturn in trade to eliminate the associated issues.

To use a simple analogy, what would all the supporters say if someone proposed to bring 20,000 murderers/rapists/paedophiles to Canberra for 4 days? Surely it would be acknowledged that the benefits of having the hotels/restaurants etc all full would not outweigh the risks involved?

Time for this event to move on I think.

you run a business and compare summernats crowd and event you make money from to murderers/rapists/paedophiles convention
care to name your business you sicko,

Pork Hunt said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

gooterz said :

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Well said.

But some how i think the pork barrel express (chuu chu) is going to be worth putting up for summernats.

Now if only they spent the tax dollars they got from the south in the south, rather than robbing the hard workers and giving it to the el’ cheapo houses.

What is your definition of a hard worker then?

You at the keyboard bagging everything in town.

+1000

Lol, some people get so wound up. I was just posting to pass the time and stir up a bit of **** but it seems people take this way too seriously. I found the perfect location for summernats as well, in Queanbeyan with the rest of the booners.

And what is with everyone assuming I must be a public servant? Key words are “work” and “look at the date of the post” you f***wits.

buzz819 said :

I love it! This would be a great conversation;

Coggo “This is OUTRAGEOUS, crime is on the rise, all because of Summernats.”

Buzz “Well there is no actual rise crime according to the AFP stats?”

Coggo “No! Not real stats, made up stats in my head! I’m talking about real crime, you know, burnouts and traffic offences, not robberies and murders. People are getting pulled over, pulled over damn it! 10 of them! 10 people pulled over out of over 2000 done up cars is a huge percentage!”

Voice of reason “Uhh wtf are you on about?”

Coggo “I live in society of so many different people, but the people that are different to me should only do what I want, because other wise it’s an annoyance and a waste of tax payers money!”

Voice of reason “Yeah I’ve got nothing, your just a dick.”

“Facts” and “Statistics” for a lot of people are just trickery designed to complicate an issue. Coggo knows there has been a lot of crime as a result of Summernats due to the truthiness of the matter.

Definition – truthiness: a quality characterising a “truth” that a person claims to know intuitively “from the gut” or because it “feels right” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Pork Hunt said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

gooterz said :

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Well said.

But some how i think the pork barrel express (chuu chu) is going to be worth putting up for summernats.

Now if only they spent the tax dollars they got from the south in the south, rather than robbing the hard workers and giving it to the el’ cheapo houses.

What is your definition of a hard worker then?

You at the keyboard bagging everything in town.

Can you post a screen shot of a post I have made bagging anything? I don’t think I have done that once.

Sorry, don’t know how to do a screen shot on ipad.

For your sake Buzz I hope you didn’t spend too much time thinking all that up.

Facts –

ACT Govt contributes financial support directly to the owners of this Commercial Event. It is not here to generate tourism (Such as french paintings or Flower shows) but rather for someone to make money. Happy for Andy to make money from this but don’t ask the taxpayers to contribute to you generating an even higher income
The atendees are in town for more the just the 4 days the bogan nats are on. Whilst this may generate more income it also includes the associated anti social behaviour.
Andy Lopez’s spin doctors come on here with false figures about the volume of people attending and how they contribute to the Canberra economy? Does Mr Lopez have a registered company here in ACT or does all of the revenue from this event go back through his Sydney office?
100,000 people???? How are these figures generated? Start by dividing the numbers by the 4 days, then remove the traders, volunteers, administration, event staff etc and you start to get a realistic figure. I would estimate the peak of the attendance being Saturday afternoon at no more than 25,000 attendees.

Before all the wowsers come in with unintelligent things like “Gees you’re a spoilsport”, I have an interest in a business that increases turnover during the bogan nats period but would be happy to cop a downturn in trade to eliminate the associated issues.

To use a simple analogy, what would all the supporters say if someone proposed to bring 20,000 murderers/rapists/paedophiles to Canberra for 4 days? Surely it would be acknowledged that the benefits of having the hotels/restaurants etc all full would not outweigh the risks involved?

Time for this event to move on I think.

Dork said :

Sorry, should have written more but was in a hurry.
The shell service station, not sure if it’s still there.
Source: someone who worked there for a long time.
Just thought I would mention it, a lot of businesses get good money from summernats.
Car service places included, i know two people whose cars stuffed up halfway through summernats last year, they paid a mint to get the parts straight away.

Yeah it’s a Woolies and a Maccas now. Hasn’t been the old Shell “Gateway” for a while.

buzz819 said :

I love it! This would be a great conversation;

Coggo “This is OUTRAGEOUS, crime is on the rise, all because of Summernats.”

Buzz “Well there is no actual rise crime according to the AFP stats?”

Coggo “No! Not real stats, made up stats in my head! I’m talking about real crime, you know, burnouts and traffic offences, not robberies and murders. People are getting pulled over, pulled over damn it! 10 of them! 10 people pulled over out of over 2000 done up cars is a huge percentage!”

Voice of reason “Uhh wtf are you on about?”

Coggo “I live in society of so many different people, but the people that are different to me should only do what I want, because other wise it’s an annoyance and a waste of tax payers money!”

Voice of reason “Yeah I’ve got nothing, your just a dick.”

lol

I love it! This would be a great conversation;

Coggo “This is OUTRAGEOUS, crime is on the rise, all because of Summernats.”

Buzz “Well there is no actual rise crime according to the AFP stats?”

Coggo “No! Not real stats, made up stats in my head! I’m talking about real crime, you know, burnouts and traffic offences, not robberies and murders. People are getting pulled over, pulled over damn it! 10 of them! 10 people pulled over out of over 2000 done up cars is a huge percentage!”

Voice of reason “Uhh wtf are you on about?”

Coggo “I live in society of so many different people, but the people that are different to me should only do what I want, because other wise it’s an annoyance and a waste of tax payers money!”

Voice of reason “Yeah I’ve got nothing, your just a dick.”

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd1:10 pm 06 Jan 13

Pork Hunt said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

gooterz said :

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Well said.

But some how i think the pork barrel express (chuu chu) is going to be worth putting up for summernats.

Now if only they spent the tax dollars they got from the south in the south, rather than robbing the hard workers and giving it to the el’ cheapo houses.

What is your definition of a hard worker then?

You at the keyboard bagging everything in town.

Can you post a screen shot of a post I have made bagging anything? I don’t think I have done that once.

Sorry, should have written more but was in a hurry.
The shell service station, not sure if it’s still there.
Source: someone who worked there for a long time.
Just thought I would mention it, a lot of businesses get good money from summernats.
Car service places included, i know two people whose cars stuffed up halfway through summernats last year, they paid a mint to get the parts straight away.

“At what point do we say no, and at what point do we start claiming for our share of the profits to fix all the property damage cause by interstate guests.”

I agree, Coggo. The damage done around carparks and median strips when Floriade is on is outrageous. Not to mention the costs already incurred by Mr and Mrs John Q Taxpayer to make it all happen.

I like car shows, while others do not. I don’t like flower shows, while others do. It takes all sorts to make a world, Coggo 🙂

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

I agree. I will be so glad when the Liberals get back into power and ban the summernats like they did from 1995 to 2001 when they were last in power.

oops,

gooterz said :

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Well said.

But some how i think the pork barrel express (chuu chu) is going to be worth putting up for summernats.

Now if only they spent the tax dollars they got from the south in the south, rather than robbing the hard workers and giving it to the el’ cheapo houses.

Don’t know what this has to do with the thread at hand, but me thinks you need a reality check. Any developing area needs ‘more’ money spent on them compared to established area’s. They are the ones that need the new roads, the new shops, schools etc. Simple fact of a growing area. But using your theory though in some ways you could say the imbalance we see now is just making up for the imbalance that was in place when Tuggeranong was being developed and Belconnen development was slowing dow.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

gooterz said :

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Well said.

But some how i think the pork barrel express (chuu chu) is going to be worth putting up for summernats.

Now if only they spent the tax dollars they got from the south in the south, rather than robbing the hard workers and giving it to the el’ cheapo houses.

What is your definition of a hard worker then?

You at the keyboard bagging everything in town.

Dork said :

The service station near there makes more money when summernats is on than the rest of the year total.

The Woolies? Isn’t this the first Summernats it’s been open?

I dunno about a spike in crime, but there’s definitely a statistically significant increase in dickheads around about this time of year.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:54 pm 05 Jan 13

Dork said :

The service station near there makes more money when summernats is on than the rest of the year total.

And?

PrinceOfAles11:08 pm 05 Jan 13

Dork said :

The service station near there makes more money when summernats is on than the rest of the year total.

No it doesn`t. At least it didn`t when I worked there a few years back.

The service station near there makes more money when summernats is on than the rest of the year total.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:02 pm 05 Jan 13

gooterz said :

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Well said.

But some how i think the pork barrel express (chuu chu) is going to be worth putting up for summernats.

Now if only they spent the tax dollars they got from the south in the south, rather than robbing the hard workers and giving it to the el’ cheapo houses.

What is your definition of a hard worker then?

Any thoughts welcome.

Why thank you. My thoughts are: You’re a whining NIMBY who has little idea what he’s talking about, and no actual facts to back up your assertions.

What did your insurance company say when you put in a claim for the property damage you’d been subjected to? I mean, presumably you did this given you’re now asking for ‘your share of the profits’ to fix said damage?

Coggo said :

But of course this isn’t hard numbers so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

Indeed.

alllenthough8:36 pm 05 Jan 13

If you want more stats, there were at least 10 cars pulled over. Stats give us a number not a guess. Twat. Everytime I am pulled over for a breatho is it a crime. I hope so much coggo is a troll, the other option is he is a massive wanker

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

I think you’re on the wrong thread mate. The election one was last year.

Coggo said :

You can look at statistics all you like but the fact is that it’s actually got to be reported or witness by police.

And it doesn’t just affect people who live or work in Watson.

If you want more stats, there were at least 10 different cars pulled over by police on my way to work (in Watson) and once here we have to deal with people speeding up and down the street I work in, burnouts about once an hour, beer bottles and cans thrown onto the property, and the building was broken into last year causing $5000 in damages.

But of course this isn’t hard numbers so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

Sounds like downtown Chicago.

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Well said.

But some how i think the pork barrel express (chuu chu) is going to be worth putting up for summernats.

Now if only they spent the tax dollars they got from the south in the south, rather than robbing the hard workers and giving it to the el’ cheapo houses.

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Oh FFS, really?

Presumably if the majority of people wanted a Liberal government, then the majority of people would have voted for the Liberal Party. The majority of people voted for parties which weren’t the Liberal Party.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd7:24 pm 05 Jan 13

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

A touch slow, are we?

As someone that hates the summernats. I don’t notice any increase in crime. I work around a lot of the area where Summernats occurs.

What I note is lots of infringements, but not crime. They’re not here to rob/assault/misc. They are here with their cars or to watch cars. Some of the guys with cars do stupid things. Many of them get caught. And yay. Increased revenue to ACT through fines.

I avoid Summernats like the plague. But at the same time, I appreciate that there are rev-heads out there. Besides. F1 teams love cars too. I’d love to see people argue that the guys that design those cars are brain-dead.

Roundhead89 said :

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Coggo is definitely a parasitic Labor/Greens voter who works in the public service and thinks he/she has been tasked by God to inflict his/her normative value judgements about how other people should live society save us from ourselves.

I suggest Coggo should get a government grant for his/her work, and maybe a human rights award?

Or maybe he/she could just f*&k off???

Well it’s been renewed for another 7 years so you can whinge all you like but you’re going to have to deal with it!

I think you will find that events which bring lots of tourists very often also result in an increase in petty crime and a bit of annoyance for the locals. Try Byron Bay or the Gold Coast on New Year’s Eve.

Your choice is simple – live in a morgue that nobody wants to visit, or cop a bit of inconvenience and reap the benefits.

Summernats is a saviour for many businesses in what is otherwise a dead zone of the year – and it only lasts for a few days. The vast majority of participants are law abiding, if a bit noisy at times. It is heavily policed.

Just be thankful that Year 12s from all over don’t want to have Schoolies here. Now that would be worth complaining about!

Aeek said :

Cycling in the Cotter this time of year, some of the most aware drivers are clearly ‘Nats guys out on a run.

Of course. Running over a cyclist could put some nasty scratches on their pride and joy.

esp said :

I find it especially awesome when a greeny bicycle rider swerves in and out of the lanes while I’m sitting on a 300 bus with children on it …. Oops, my bad, that’s an everyday occurrence on the mean streets of C***berra……

C’mon Dr Khoresh, here’s a false analogy for you.

Car vs van. Potential casualties: one or more dickheads plus one or more innocent people.

Cyclist vs bus. Potential casualties: one dickhead.

You can look at statistics all you like but the fact is that it’s actually got to be reported or witness by police.

And it doesn’t just affect people who live or work in Watson.

If you want more stats, there were at least 10 different cars pulled over by police on my way to work (in Watson) and once here we have to deal with people speeding up and down the street I work in, burnouts about once an hour, beer bottles and cans thrown onto the property, and the building was broken into last year causing $5000 in damages.

But of course this isn’t hard numbers so I don’t know why I’m bothering.

As far as I’m concerned, all those people in the Inner North, Gungahlin and Belconnen who voted for Labor and The Greens and kept this ACT government in power despite the majority wanting a Liberal government deserve everything they get. You let the rest of us down and now you’re getting your just desserts.

Cycling in the Cotter this time of year, some of the most aware drivers are clearly ‘Nats guys out on a run.

Rawhide Kid Part35:08 pm 05 Jan 13

Troll ???

Tryiton said :

Yesterday I was driving down the Federal Highway service road near the Eagle Hawk and had to contend with a bunch of d!ckheads heading to the Nats in a Toyota Coaster van or similar swerving across both lanes back and forth down the road at speed.

I found this especially awesome given my one year old son was in the car with me.

I hope they rolled it down the road and smashed into a tree.

I find it especially awesome when a greeny bicycle rider swerves in and out of the lanes while I’m sitting on a 300 bus with children on it …. Oops, my bad, that’s an everyday occurrence on the mean streets of C***berra……

Yesterday I was driving down the Federal Highway service road near the Eagle Hawk and had to contend with a bunch of d!ckheads heading to the Nats in a Toyota Coaster van or similar swerving across both lanes back and forth down the road at speed.

I found this especially awesome given my one year old son was in the car with me.

I hope they rolled it down the road and smashed into a tree.

Don’t much care for SummerNats, but after we deal with the SummerNats crime spree, we could then get rid of the thieving-sum public servants that take in excess of $100K per annum of our taxes to bludge all day in what is little more than child minding for adults.

Coggo, I suspect that might accurately describe you?

milkman said :

Getting rid of the dozen or so scumbag families known to the commit the majority of crime in the ACT would be a far more effective means of reducing property (and other) crime.

Darn straight! If anything, crime might actually decrease during Summernats because the said bottom feeders could be out boozing it up with their fellow clique, too busy to make their living from robbing others .. birds of a feather.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd2:09 pm 05 Jan 13

It will never be a legitimate car show until they ban all bogan trash from attending.

Aren’t you lucky that the AFP does have a crime stats page.

Looking at the 3 month period Jan – Mar, which has a couple of big times of the year, New Year, Summernats, Skyfire, Australia Day, the Multicultural Festival etc. It appears that that time of year over the past 4 years is either a little bit below the crime rate for the rest of the year or about the same.

Sooo… Your assertion in this case is wrong, sorry about that.

http://www.police.act.gov.au/crime-and-safety/crime-statistics.aspx

But don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.

Getting rid of the dozen or so scumbag families known to the commit the majority of crime in the ACT would be a far more effective means of reducing property (and other) crime.

1:30am is not the middle of the day on a 36+ degree heat wave day, it is umm, at 1:30 in the morning. So cut the melodrama, it makes your post sound a lot like a NIMBY.

I must admit I am no great fan of Summernats, I personally reckon it has lost it’s way. But the crowd figures suggest there are those out there that like it so why should they not be given a chance to enjoy something they love? As for appropriateness of the venue, the showground so is a perfect place for it.

PS when did you buy nearby? Not sometime in the last quarter of a century I would hope.

Do you have any other examples other then fireworks?

Tetranitrate12:31 pm 05 Jan 13

In the absence of hard data – I’m sure there’s a spike in crime just from all the people coming into town, going out drinking and whatnot…. but I’m not convinced it’s necessarily worse than something like foreshore.You’re really need hard numbers from the AFP to have a sensible discussion on this.

Maybe you should ask Woolworths Dickson for a share of the profits they make over the summernats weekend to help pay for the massive spike in crime. The summernats weekend generates more sales for woolies in Dickson than the two weeks before christmas….. Moral to the story, stay at home, switch off your television, mobile, computer, draw the curtains, rock back and forth and say “take me to a better place” and GET OVER IT !!!!!

This was my first Summernats living nearby, and I have to admit I was worried about the noise, antisocial behaviour etc. etc. Those fears have proven to be totally unfounded so far, there are police everywhere, and the event has had an extremely limited impact on my life, which considering the sheer number of people involved, I think is pretty impressive.

I personally find the idea of standing around with no shirt on to watch people rev their engines and ruin their tyres completely retarded, but these people are causing minimal inconvenience for everyone else, and are spending lots of money in our city.

Some of you (I’m looking at you Coggo, Pork Hunt and Comic and Gamer Nerd) need to stop being such stuck up snobs and start being more tolerant of other people.

On what evidence or statistics have you based your assertion that crime has increased as a result of Summernats? One firecracker, whilst antisocial, is hardly a crime wavemor compelling reason to can it. By that reasoning, school holidays should cease due to increase in vandalism.

Northside-Guy10:01 am 05 Jan 13

Why do you assume that if one likes highly modified motor vehicles that have been lovingly modified by their owners then they must be brain dead. That’s like saying all those who choose to live in Watson and then complain about noise from EPIC are brain dead. That aside, can you please point out all of this massive property damage that your claiming happens, appears to be very little?
And as for illegal fireworks, they seem to get let off all throughout the year, not just during summernats.

I for one welcome the injection of funds into this city and I hope that summernats is around for another 25 years just to annoy you

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