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Australian Federal Police officer escapes traffic fine – “traffic was light”

By ExFeds - 5 October 2010 83

[ED – This is a follow up to the story a month ago about how senior police deal with speeding fines in Canberra. The Herald Sun has done an amazing job pursuing the story]

A SENIOR Australian Federal Police officer allegedly caught travelling at more than 40km/h over the speed limit escaped a fine after a fellow officer decided a warning was sufficient.

This was because the traffic was light and he was an experienced driver, according to documents seen by the Herald Sun.

The documents were produced after Richard Curie, a junior officer who pulled over off-duty Supt Eric Grimm for allegedly travelling at 120km/h in an 80km/h zone, complained he had been pressured to issue a warning notice and not a fine after he returned to his station.

The full story is well worth reading before making comment.

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Australian Federal Police officer escapes traffic fine – “traffic was light”
DBCooper 11:02 pm 05 Oct 10

And this is news?

In the U.S. police get a special emblem to put on there license plate so when they are parked illegally the cop sees it when writing the ticket and knows he will have to rip that ticket up.

Tooks 9:35 pm 05 Oct 10

Anna Key said :

Tooks said :

ExFeds said :

THIS IS CORRUPTION AT ITS BEST – DISAPPOINTING!

Yep, the Wood Royal Commission pales into insignifance compared to this travesty of justice.

Yes, he was only a little bit illegal. What happened to there is no such thing as safe speeding?

I now wish I argued my last fine (fixed speed camera – 88 in an 80 zone) by stating that I was the only car in the immediate vicinity, I am an experienced driver, I was driving a new car with a 5 star safety rating and I have good car control due to racing experience. So there was no danger to me or anyone else.

I think you missed my point – completely. I was having a dig at exfeds ridiculous statement that it was corruption at its best. Anyway…

You can argue any fine you want, but unless you have a legitimate reason disputing liability, it’s generall up to the issuing officer whether or not you receive any leniency (and before anyone says “But what about Grimm!?” – read the next paragraph first).

Like I said in the other related thread, it is a fair question to ask why this TIN was withdrawn, and it would certainly be interesting to know the full story.

Anna Key 9:14 pm 05 Oct 10

Tooks said :

ExFeds said :

THIS IS CORRUPTION AT ITS BEST – DISAPPOINTING!

Yep, the Wood Royal Commission pales into insignifance compared to this travesty of justice.

Yes, he was only a little bit illegal. What happened to there is no such thing as safe speeding?

I now wish I argued my last fine (fixed speed camera – 88 in an 80 zone) by stating that I was the only car in the immediate vicinity, I am an experienced driver, I was driving a new car with a 5 star safety rating and I have good car control due to racing experience. So there was no danger to me or anyone else.

bigred 9:13 pm 05 Oct 10

I would like to know who leaked the documents to the Herald-Sun, noting they were not obtained under FoI. That aside, Grimmgate seems to undermine any pretence the AFP diligently carries out its traffic duties. Oh yes, is Grimm out of a job yet? Or have they closed ranks?

Thumper 8:49 pm 05 Oct 10

THIS IS CORRUPTION AT ITS BEST – DISAPPOINTING!

Did a rozzer stomp on your cat when you were young?

Tooks 8:31 pm 05 Oct 10

ExFeds said :

THIS IS CORRUPTION AT ITS BEST – DISAPPOINTING!

Yep, the Wood Royal Commission pales into insignifance compared to this travesty of justice.

buzz819 8:17 pm 05 Oct 10

ExFeds said :

Non certified Police vehicles used for years taking money from us! CORRUPT
Police double standards, good driver with light traffic, PRS accept this! CORRUPT
Grimm denies speeding yet a caution is issued! CORRUPT
Constable Curie is inexperienced at speed checks, how many had he done before Grimm?
AFP quick to defend last Herald Sun release containing an alleged err in the topic, where is the latest post on the BlueLine of CORRUPTION?
Why did Grimm put a lanyard on his neck when he was ‘off duty’?
What happened to members estimating the offending vehicles speed regardless of speedos?
If we denying the travelled speed 43+km/h, mention the traffic was light and sook to a Senior member of Police, will we get off?
What has the fact that the offending driver was a trained surveillance office relevant?
What exactly did PRS investigate?
Are there times during the day that it is safe to speed?
Should drivers be issued with caution notices if detected by Police vehicle with non-certified speedos?

THIS IS CORRUPTION AT ITS BEST – DISAPPOINTING!

So when you were doing a speed check on him, how far away from him and how long did you follow him for? Did you see him put the lanyard on his neck?

How many speed checks had you conducted at that time?

ExFeds 8:11 pm 05 Oct 10

Non certified Police vehicles used for years taking money from us! CORRUPT
Police double standards, good driver with light traffic, PRS accept this! CORRUPT
Grimm denies speeding yet a caution is issued! CORRUPT
Constable Curie is inexperienced at speed checks, how many had he done before Grimm?
AFP quick to defend last Herald Sun release containing an alleged err in the topic, where is the latest post on the BlueLine of CORRUPTION?
Why did Grimm put a lanyard on his neck when he was ‘off duty’?
What happened to members estimating the offending vehicles speed regardless of speedos?
If we denying the travelled speed 43+km/h, mention the traffic was light and sook to a Senior member of Police, will we get off?
What has the fact that the offending driver was a trained surveillance office relevant?
What exactly did PRS investigate?
Are there times during the day that it is safe to speed?
Should drivers be issued with caution notices if detected by Police vehicle with non-certified speedos?

THIS IS CORRUPTION AT ITS BEST – DISAPPOINTING!

Freddyp 6:03 pm 05 Oct 10

Excellent. I’ll use that next time I’m done.

grunge_hippy 4:02 pm 05 Oct 10

depends if he had made his quota for the day….

Bane 3:24 pm 05 Oct 10

It’s not WHAT you know…

p1 1:10 pm 05 Oct 10

ConanOfCooma said :

I don’t think we can associate this bad attirbute with all AFP officers, surely?

Not the speeding. The question is the getting out of the fine. I got done 35km/h over limit, clear sunny day light traffic, and the cops took great pains to emphasise how serious an offence it was. I don’t hold being caught and fined against them (was doing it after all), but am a little miffed at how this dude got away with it.

ConanOfCooma 11:24 am 05 Oct 10

In all fairness, I was pinged doing 20 Ks over on the highway near Hume, and I only recieved a caution in the mail (no, not the speed camera, I was actually pulled over).

Mind you, I wasn’t a dick about it, I admitted what I was doing, and I also aknowledged there was no excuse.

I don’t think we can associate this bad attirbute with all AFP officers, surely?

Not fairly, anywayz.

p1 10:59 am 05 Oct 10

I have lots of experience speeding, I should be let off too.

Wait, what?

troll-sniffer 9:53 am 05 Oct 10

Reckon we’ll see a whole raft of questions directed at officers who pull mortorists over for speeding from now on:

“Is your vehicle a speed certified one?”
“In your opinion is the traffic light?”
“If so would you say my inadvertant lapse in concentration is unlikely to represent a danger to fellow road users?”
“Are you aware of any other driver in a similar situation who was issued a caution despite being in a high range speed offence?

etc

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