Back to the Future – Frightening

gazket said :

“we should not be anywhere near it”

Too late for that John we are now a great multicultural society. In the Vietnam war there were not any Australian born North Koreans planning attacks against Australia or going back home to kill our soldiers . Australia is now exporting home grown terrorists and suicide bombers. Only a matter of time before some sort of Jihadist attack happens here in Australia if nothing is done.

You think Australia should do nothing , you are p$ss weak.

I would like to address a few points in this thread.

Firstly, I respect the views of people who differ from my own. I don’t like the idea of inciting people and I don’t like the idea of jumping ahead in the queue for the attention of these terrorists.

I made no suggestion that this was a political issue for me. I disagree with the stances of both sides of the political divide.

There have been a few nasty posts aimed at me personally seemingly to suggest that I should not hold a view on the world terrorist position let alone voice my fears.

Further, my military service has been questioned. I volunteered not for regular army service but for National Service, ie two years. How I came to be there matters not. What matters is that I was the victim of lying propaganda.

Having someone suggest that were I to be a hostage, that no-one would pay a ransom, is puerile and belittling of the writer. We have never met and thus the writer is in no position to make such a nasty comment.

The simple facts for me are that we have begun an escalation of a military solution to a problem which for us should not exist. I see no threat to Switzerland, a neutral county closer than we are. Why we blindly follow the US into wars which have no real relevance to us.

I had thought that dunfungus had developed some sort of civility in his/her writings but sadly I was wrong. But I have been attacked personally by experts and have survived. dungfungus does not rank among them. I can tell an amateur when I read one, but I can’t tell them much.

Describing those with opposing views as p$ss weak is the sort of comment expected of the illiterate bogan.

“we should not be anywhere near it”

Too late for that John we are now a great multicultural society. In the Vietnam war there were not any Australian born North Koreans planning attacks against Australia or going back home to kill our soldiers . Australia is now exporting home grown terrorists and suicide bombers. Only a matter of time before some sort of Jihadist attack happens here in Australia if nothing is done.

You think Australia should do nothing , you are p$ss weak.

dungfungus said :

If you are referring to the Vinegar Hill uprising then it is no where near an example of a “terrorist attack”

It’s as close as yours.

Steven Bailey said :

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

In between posting your rants, John Hargreaves, do you read up on what’s going on in the world?

dungfungus said :

I am sure you won’t be a hostage target John because no one would pay the ransom.

Have some respect.

I have the greatest respect for the Riot Act moderators. They saw the satire which you didn’t.

A satirical comment would be something like this: Dungfungus’ comments are certainly not stupid, offensive, and pointless.

That’s a bit deep for me but if it was meant to nice, thank you.

davo101 said :

dungfungus said :

It would appear that the 1850s would be the time Afghans came to Australia and two of them were responsible for carrying out Australia’s first terrorist attack 99 years ago.
Imagine how many would have been killed if an RPG was used.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-battle-of-broken-hill-113650077/?no-ist

I thought the first terrorist attack in Australia was by the Irish in 1804.

If you are referring to the Vinegar Hill uprising then it is no where near an example of a “terrorist attack”
Even the left leaning ABC and Al Grassby couldn’t put that much spin on it and they settled for an “armed rebellion”.
The presence of an “Irish rebel” doesn’t mean it was “by the Irish” either.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/rewind/txt/s1209455.htm
Up until now I treated any comment you made with a lot credit but after this effort I will put the “fact checker” over everything you say.

dungfungus said :

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

In between posting your rants, John Hargreaves, do you read up on what’s going on in the world?

dungfungus said :

I am sure you won’t be a hostage target John because no one would pay the ransom.

Have some respect.

I have the greatest respect for the Riot Act moderators. They saw the satire which you didn’t.

A satirical comment would be something like this: Dungfungus’ comments are certainly not stupid, offensive, and pointless.

dungfungus said :

I am not aware of one by the “Irish” in 1804 (or anytime) so please advise details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Hill_convict_rebellion (which I’m pleased to say my ancestors steered clear of).

davo101 said :

dungfungus said :

It would appear that the 1850s would be the time Afghans came to Australia and two of them were responsible for carrying out Australia’s first terrorist attack 99 years ago.
Imagine how many would have been killed if an RPG was used.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-battle-of-broken-hill-113650077/?no-ist

I thought the first terrorist attack in Australia was by the Irish in 1804.

I am not aware of one by the “Irish” in 1804 (or anytime) so please advise details.

dungfungus said :

It would appear that the 1850s would be the time Afghans came to Australia and two of them were responsible for carrying out Australia’s first terrorist attack 99 years ago.
Imagine how many would have been killed if an RPG was used.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-battle-of-broken-hill-113650077/?no-ist

I thought the first terrorist attack in Australia was by the Irish in 1804.

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

In between posting your rants, John Hargreaves, do you read up on what’s going on in the world?

dungfungus said :

I am sure you won’t be a hostage target John because no one would pay the ransom.

Have some respect.

Have some awareness.

Steven Bailey said :

Masquara said :

In between posting your rants, John Hargreaves, do you read up on what’s going on in the world?

dungfungus said :

I am sure you won’t be a hostage target John because no one would pay the ransom.

Have some respect.

I have the greatest respect for the Riot Act moderators. They saw the satire which you didn’t.

JC said :

Quite clearly you did not read a word of what I said. Where did I blame the US, Israel or the Liebrals? Nowhere. Where did I say I didn’t support the action, or for that matter stated I did support the action? (as in a post a moment ago I don’t support it, but that is beside the points).

Yes JC, you are quite correct, you did not say that and I apologise. I conflated what you said with what John Hargreaves said.

JC said :

…All I was simply doing was pointing out we only become targets because we get ourselves involved in other peoples business. Simple fact. Now 10 other countries are getting involved, well that will be 10 more countries that also now become targets.

But we ARE involved, whether by directly or just by being infidels (like, say, the victims in Bali or Madrid), or as innocent bystanders trying to render aid (like the poor bugger they beheaded this morning).

These guys are politically savvy enough to exploit the general worldwide distrust of America to justify their reign of terror. Thus almost every terrorist atrocity is dressed up as a reprisal against American interference, but now only the naive believe it.

Masquara said :

In between posting your rants, John Hargreaves, do you read up on what’s going on in the world?

dungfungus said :

I am sure you won’t be a hostage target John because no one would pay the ransom.

Have some respect.

justin heywood said :

JC said :

…..From what I can see and heave learnt over the years, the only reason we become targets is because we get involved in issues that have nothing what so ever to do with us.

Yep, a common enough view. It’s basically all the fault of America, or Israel, or the Liberals here at home. All these peace-loving fundamentalists want is to be left alone to set up their own caliphate, where they are free to worship their god in peace.

A tolerant people, we should be tolerant towards them. This includes:

– not being an infidel, no matter where you are in the world. Non-believers are legitimate political targets,and their lives are worthless anyway
– not saying or writing anything that might be seen as disrespectful of their god, no matter where you are in the world. If you do, they are within their rights to kill you.
– not interfering in their ambition to impose, by extreme violence, their vision of an Islamic state on any country they choose. This is none of our business.

This is not just some flash-in -the-pan outbreak of religious nuttery, and it’s not as simple as blaming American foreign policy and hoping it will all go away. There are at least 10 other nations concerned enough to do what we are doing.

And John, it’s a complex problem. The Middle East is not Vietnam, and a couple of years as a Nasho private and a career on the local council does not give you any more authority on foreign policy issues than anyone else. It’s telling that even on this issue, which has bi-partisan support, you cannot help but laying the blame on the Libs.

Quite clearly you did not read a word of what I said. Where did I blame the US, Israel or the Liebrals? Nowhere. Where did I say I didn’t support the action, or for that matter stated I did support the action? (as in a post a moment ago I don’t support it, but that is beside the points).

All I was simply doing was pointing out we only become targets because we get ourselves involved in other peoples business. Simple fact. Now 10 other countries are getting involved, well that will be 10 more countries that also now become targets.

magiccar9 said :

JC said :

magiccar9 said :

OK John, you’ve peaked my interest. Clearly you’ve shown you wouldn’t be doing anything our PM has done so far. You wouldn’t raise a finger to help. Fair enough – each to their own I guess. However, tell me, when ISIS gains so much power that they bring their “war” to us, what then? Would you still sit on your hands and watch innocent people continue to be murdered?

I am curious. When do you reckon ISIS will bring their war to us, and if we keep out of their business why do you think they will bring their war to us?

From what I can see and heave learnt over the years, the only reason we become targets is because we get involved in issues that have nothing what so ever to do with us.

Honestly? I can’t tell if you’re joking, or seriously have that short-sighted of a view.

The best example to disprove your theory is what started the humanitarian effort over there recently – the ISIS force killing people who didn’t believe in their extreme religion. Did you think these innocent men, women, and children simply should have “stayed out of their business”?

Your reply here is so clueless it’s embarrassing.

You haven’t told me I am wrong. If we kept out we wouldn’t become targets. Simple as that.

Not saying that we should keep out, nor am I saying that we should go in, just pointing out the bleeding obvious, happy to be proven wrong of course.

Now for what it’s worth I supported the first Gulf war, you know the one where Iraq invaded another country. I didn’t support the 2nd gulf war, because the whole goal there was to get Hussain, with the invasion based on what is now known as lies. That would be no different to a country invading us to save us from Abbott! Now don’t think you would support that would you?

JC said :

I am curious. When do you reckon ISIS will bring their war to us, and if we keep out of their business why do you think they will bring their war to us?
.

You’re right, and when the Nazis were rounding up all the jews and invading Poland, we should have stayed out of that one as well as it was none of our business.

If you think it is appropriate to turn a bind eye to activities that are entirely contrary to our societal values, then *you* too possess values that are entirely contrary to those of the society I thought I lived in.

JC said :

magiccar9 said :

OK John, you’ve peaked my interest. Clearly you’ve shown you wouldn’t be doing anything our PM has done so far. You wouldn’t raise a finger to help. Fair enough – each to their own I guess. However, tell me, when ISIS gains so much power that they bring their “war” to us, what then? Would you still sit on your hands and watch innocent people continue to be murdered?

I am curious. When do you reckon ISIS will bring their war to us, and if we keep out of their business why do you think they will bring their war to us?

From what I can see and heave learnt over the years, the only reason we become targets is because we get involved in issues that have nothing what so ever to do with us.

Honestly? I can’t tell if you’re joking, or seriously have that short-sighted of a view.

The best example to disprove your theory is what started the humanitarian effort over there recently – the ISIS force killing people who didn’t believe in their extreme religion. Did you think these innocent men, women, and children simply should have “stayed out of their business”?

Your reply here is so clueless it’s embarrassing.

justin heywood said :

JC said :

…..From what I can see and heave learnt over the years, the only reason we become targets is because we get involved in issues that have nothing what so ever to do with us.

Yep, a common enough view. It’s basically all the fault of America, or Israel, or the Liberals here at home. All these peace-loving fundamentalists want is to be left alone to set up their own caliphate, where they are free to worship their god in peace.

A tolerant people, we should be tolerant towards them. This includes:

– not being an infidel, no matter where you are in the world. Non-believers are legitimate political targets,and their lives are worthless anyway
– not saying or writing anything that might be seen as disrespectful of their god, no matter where you are in the world. If you do, they are within their rights to kill you.
– not interfering in their ambition to impose, by extreme violence, their vision of an Islamic state on any country they choose. This is none of our business.

This is not just some flash-in -the-pan outbreak of religious nuttery, and it’s not as simple as blaming American foreign policy and hoping it will all go away. There are at least 10 other nations concerned enough to do what we are doing.

And John, it’s a complex problem. The Middle East is not Vietnam, and a couple of years as a Nasho private and a career on the local council does not give you any more authority on foreign policy issues than anyone else. It’s telling that even on this issue, which has bi-partisan support, you cannot help but laying the blame on the Libs.

Not in the MSM yet but the Syrian “rebels” (unsure if they are the good rebels or the bad rebels) are now in total control of the border with Israel. This follows the rebels extorting a reported $50 million ransom from Qatar to free the Fijian UN “peace keepers” (what a failure UN peace keepers have been).
We know what comes next. Israel can only tolerate a certain amount of intimidation.

Pork Hunt said :

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I sure as h*ll don’t want Aust to get involved, again, in another pointless conflict.

We have been involved since the first migrant settlers from the middle east arrived.

I doubt that dungers, considering the first migrants from the Middle East probably got here on the second fleet.

It would appear that the 1850s would be the time Afghans came to Australia and two of them were responsible for carrying out Australia’s first terrorist attack 99 years ago.
Imagine how many would have been killed if an RPG was used.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-battle-of-broken-hill-113650077/?no-ist

JC said :

…..From what I can see and heave learnt over the years, the only reason we become targets is because we get involved in issues that have nothing what so ever to do with us.

Yep, a common enough view. It’s basically all the fault of America, or Israel, or the Liberals here at home. All these peace-loving fundamentalists want is to be left alone to set up their own caliphate, where they are free to worship their god in peace.

A tolerant people, we should be tolerant towards them. This includes:

– not being an infidel, no matter where you are in the world. Non-believers are legitimate political targets,and their lives are worthless anyway
– not saying or writing anything that might be seen as disrespectful of their god, no matter where you are in the world. If you do, they are within their rights to kill you.
– not interfering in their ambition to impose, by extreme violence, their vision of an Islamic state on any country they choose. This is none of our business.

This is not just some flash-in -the-pan outbreak of religious nuttery, and it’s not as simple as blaming American foreign policy and hoping it will all go away. There are at least 10 other nations concerned enough to do what we are doing.

And John, it’s a complex problem. The Middle East is not Vietnam, and a couple of years as a Nasho private and a career on the local council does not give you any more authority on foreign policy issues than anyone else. It’s telling that even on this issue, which has bi-partisan support, you cannot help but laying the blame on the Libs.

magiccar9 said :

OK John, you’ve peaked my interest. Clearly you’ve shown you wouldn’t be doing anything our PM has done so far. You wouldn’t raise a finger to help. Fair enough – each to their own I guess. However, tell me, when ISIS gains so much power that they bring their “war” to us, what then? Would you still sit on your hands and watch innocent people continue to be murdered?

I am curious. When do you reckon ISIS will bring their war to us, and if we keep out of their business why do you think they will bring their war to us?

From what I can see and heave learnt over the years, the only reason we become targets is because we get involved in issues that have nothing what so ever to do with us.

dungfungus said :

miz said :

I sure as h*ll don’t want Aust to get involved, again, in another pointless conflict.

We have been involved since the first migrant settlers from the middle east arrived.

I doubt that dungers, considering the first migrants from the Middle East probably got here on the second fleet.

miz said :

I sure as h*ll don’t want Aust to get involved, again, in another pointless conflict.

We have been involved since the first migrant settlers from the middle east arrived.

I sure as h*ll don’t want Aust to get involved, again, in another pointless conflict.

farnarkler said :

I’m guessing Northern Ireland with the Catholic vs Protestant is about as close as we’ll get to understanding it. If there is such a thing as allah, I doubt he/she/it would be too impressed with followers killing others.

The killing in NI was absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with argument over fine points of religious doctrine, much as the English establishment and media wanted to paint a racist picture of the inhabitants of the occupied 6 counties.

They’ll never learn as they have differing views on how the prophet’s successor is decided. I’m guessing Northern Ireland with the Catholic vs Protestant is about as close as we’ll get to understanding it. If there is such a thing as allah, I doubt he/she/it would be too impressed with followers killing others.

Pork Hunt said :

I’m sure someone smarter than me once said that ” The only thing we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history”…

That being the case then the people in the middle east, who have been causing problems that the rest of the world has to deal with for the last 1,000 years, are very slow learners indeed.

I’m sure someone smarter than me once said that ” The only thing we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history”…

OK John, you’ve peaked my interest. Clearly you’ve shown you wouldn’t be doing anything our PM has done so far. You wouldn’t raise a finger to help. Fair enough – each to their own I guess. However, tell me, when ISIS gains so much power that they bring their “war” to us, what then? Would you still sit on your hands and watch innocent people continue to be murdered?

Lets face it, you can compare this new threat to Vietnam until you’re blue in the face. The fact remains it isn’t anything like it. We’re a hell of a lot more advanced globally now. We don’t have restricted media, propaganda machines, and no longer have to listen to what our Government tells us is outside our walls. We now have access to international media, and nobody can say that this new threat is just Government scare mongering in it’s own interests. Regardless of which media outlet we all choose to watch/read/listen to they are all telling the same story.

John, you need to realise we live in the modern era. People are more willing to question governments and hold them accountable. We can see what happens, and what needs to happen, and make decisions accordingly. What we’re seeing is not a repeat of Vietnam – it’s far from it, and the sooner you look outside your window and realise this the better.

basketcase said :

Gawd he better find “something” to justify it all.

And if he doesn’t? So what. Are you willing to call his bluff? It’s people like this who are happy to sit back, criticise every decision, yet when something goes wrong they’re the first to blame the Government for “not doing enough”. Nobody is stopping you from going about your life just because of a raised terror level. I for one don’t care for the raised level, it doesn’t impact my daily life, but it gives me a piece of mind that something is happening – even if it doesn’t culminate to anything.

For the record – I don’t support any of our political parties.

Remember John that the Vietnam war was a rebellion against returned colonialism post WW2. The victors followed a pretty well structured ideology from a century before. What we’re seeing in Syria and Iraq is more like join our extremely radical self proclaimed nation or we’ll butcher you. What amazes me is that the US is so eager to get in there and wipe out the islamic state, yet just South of the Rio Grande there are the drug cartels who skin people alive and use chainsaws to decapitate their rivals. I guess it’s all about the oil.

I am sure you said on another thread that you were a “nasho” John.
Turns out you were a regular and there is nothing wrong with that.
I don’t agree that “nashos” were pawns – they accepted they were there to do their bit and memories of our losses in the Korean war were still hurting as you alluded to. You were very courageous to volunteer.
I was called up in 1966 and some of the regulars I met clearly treated “nashos’ as second-class soldiers. A lot of nasho recruits “went over the fence” because of the bastardisation that was going on.
You can’t simply say fairly that history proved the Vietnam war was wrong either.
I spent have spent some time in Europe in the past 10 years and I agree with what leaders over there are saying now namely, the west will be at war with the I S extremists for at least the next 10 years and it is better to fight them where they are now rather than do nothing until we have to consider another Brisbane Line.

“Although American intervention failed in Vietnam, it bought time for the rest of Southeast Asia. In 1965, when the U.S. military moved massively into South Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and the Philippines faced internal threats from armed communist insurgencies, and the communist underground was still active in Singapore . . . America’s action [in Vietnam] enabled non-communist Southeast Asia to put their own houses in order. By 1975, they were in better shape to stand up to the communists. Had there been no U.S. intervention, the will of these countries to resist them would have melted and Southeast Asia would most likely have gone communist. The prosperous emerging market economies of A.S.E.A.N. were nurtured during the Vietnam War years.”

Lee Kuan Yew (in his autobiography)

basketcase said :

The whole thing is a joke, I bet the head of ASIO is laughing his head off at conning a billion or so out of the government. Gawd he better find “something” to justify it all.

And the government has restricted press freedom so that its failings can’t be examined or published.

Yeah, I did the Vietnam war bit, what a joke, talked about being conned by the government.

How about weapons of mass destruction? I fear we are seeing the same cr$p coming out the government now as we did then.

Almost too old to care anymore!

I am sure you won’t be a hostage target John because no one would pay the ransom.

This isn’t just the PM. It has bipartisan support. And clearly it’s a necessary move to try and get these mass murderers neutralised. In between posting your rants, John Hargreaves, do you read up on what’s going on in the world?

The whole thing is a joke, I bet the head of ASIO is laughing his head off at conning a billion or so out of the government. Gawd he better find “something” to justify it all.

And the government has restricted press freedom so that its failings can’t be examined or published.

Yeah, I did the Vietnam war bit, what a joke, talked about being conned by the government.

How about weapons of mass destruction? I fear we are seeing the same cr$p coming out the government now as we did then.

Almost too old to care anymore!