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Ban Live Export Rally Sunday 14 August

By EvanJames 10 August 2011 56

This Sunday (14 August) at 11am, rallies are being held all over Australia to call for an end to cruel live export of animals to countries where they are subject to horrific treatment. The Canberra rally is out the front of Parliament House.

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/live-export-rally.php

This event is being run by Animals Australia and the RSPCA. These organisations co-ordinated the expose`we all saw screened on 4 Corners recently.   Although the government suspended live exports to Indonesia, they are set to begin again shortly and nothing has changed, animals will still be killed slowly and cruelly, without being stunned first.  Plus, Animals Australia has just uncovered evidence of similar cruelty in Turkey, where we also export animals.

Two independants (Wilkie and Xenophon) have introduced bills to ban live export, and these will be debated in Parliament on 18 August 2011.

This rally is being billed as family-friendly, and there will be speakers.

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The_TaxMan 3:01 pm 01 Sep 11

Comments such as this “Personally, I would rather we worked with the Indonesians and other countries who kill with cruelty” are plain wrong, Indonesia does not kill with cruelty. Seven out of 185 Abatoirs in Indonesia have been found to be processing their live-stock in a way that does not adhere to world standards 7 out of 185 or approx 3.5% of abatoirs.

This comment “We already have a huge export industry in meat, and the speakers all believed that, with some targetted effort, these markets would be able to accept meat, rather than live animals.” shows your complete lack of knowledge of Islam and the Halal process, YUSUFALI: He hath only forbidden you dead meat. The Dhab??ah or Zabiha state that beast MUST be fully alive (not stunned or unconscious) when offered to Allah, do you really think that any animal welfare groups irrespective of how well spoken they may be will convince the entire Muslim world to ignore the Qur’an

legal 1:39 pm 01 Sep 11

SO many lies in this persons’ comments but the main one is:

– In 2010 around 30000 sheep died during this journey. I would very much like to hear suggestions as to how this could be avoided without a total ban.

It was a one off tragedy of a ship sinking and only 10,244 sheep perished (wiki) – in which nine people also died (animal cults never seem to mention this) – hardly a compelling reason for these animal activists to use – and it was due to a huge storm and swells. Very few ever get sick or perish en-route nowadays and the standards are same as those in Australia.

If you ban live export, then you must ban almost all other environmental industries that import or export from coffee to clothes as the human and animal price is far higher. From iphones to Soya, from all cottons to all coffee and cocoa beans – give it all up.

And you will never get a Indonesion living on $20 per week to buy frozen meat at $10-$30/kg – and they don’t have fridges or freezers.

Where the NAZI reference come from (Animal activists seemed to bring it up in defence of being correctly accused of being racist toward Indonesians). Shame on you and your animal cult.

This issue has been dumbed down by Animals Australia and their army of cult followers, after many weeks the issue became more informed as the spin cycle wore out its hype and it fizzled out as people become more understanding of the issues.

My advice to animal activists is to NOT try and deny other people’s choice to eat meat, but instead to support measures to improve animal welfare. Banning live export is a fallacy, it is animal handling and welfare and funding it through to Indonesian abottoirs will improve the lives of millions of animals. Anything less is racist, extremist hypocracy.

One solution is take all of Animals Australi’s funding and give it to Indonesians to buy stun guns and improve their traing and equipment. But I doubt they will ever show this level of committment.

EvanJames 3:10 pm 16 Aug 11

The three official speakers at the Canberra rally all advocated for the bills going up this week, to phase out live export, one actually spoke about how important it was to allow the beef producers time to re-arrange their operations. None of the speakers spoke against beef production, or the eating of meat. Some people in the crowd might have felt that way, but the official line of this movement is to simply stop the cruelty, and that’s it.

Stopping people from eating meat is pie in the sky, whereas stopping this cruel trade is imperative. I was surprised to learn, from the first speaker who was the President of the national RSPCA, that the national entity of the RSPCA was actually formed in response to the initial campaigns against live export… remember the Ships of Shame business? It’s been going on a while.

We already have a huge export industry in meat, and the speakers all believed that, with some targetted effort, these markets would be able to accept meat, rather than live animals.

Personally, I would rather we worked with the Indonesians and other countries who kill with cruelty, as that way we might be able to improve the lot of all animals… they are going to keep slaughtering animals, if we could get them doing it less cruelly, that would be a major win.

puggy 1:05 pm 16 Aug 11

poetix said :

Having the animals slaughtered in Australia would actually create jobs, if the industry was given time to restructure itself. John (#31), there were some farmers at the rally yesterday who supported a ban on live export.

But the countries who buy our meat now, live, won’t be buying it packaged, because as someone mentioned above, the best way to store fresh meat without sufficient access to refrigeration is to keep it alive.

qbngeek 12:47 pm 16 Aug 11

I attended the rally to try an guage what people are proposing. I agree with the proposal put forward by Nick Xenophon to phase out live export over 3 years. It makes sense and would ensure this never occurs again. I spoke to a number of people who thought this was a good idea.

However, the loudest people there were the PETA types who were demanding an immediate ban of all live export and I spoke to two of them who wanted all animal slaughter in Australia banned…WTF?? To make it wose neither of them could give me a logical or scientific reason for not eating meat.

I am not saying that all activists are like that, but it is easy to see how people view them all that way, They are the loudest part of the movememnt and they have the most ridiculous demands and expectations, and they seem to expect that we will just do what they say without giving any reasons.

EvanJames 12:22 pm 16 Aug 11

ProudtobeAussie said :

Has anyone heard any more about the allegations that Animals Australia paid to have the indonesian workers put on a “show” for the cameras?
I hope xenophon and wilke will be calling for a full investigation into that?

Dr Bidda Jones, and Lyn White, who organised the trip to Indonesia to film the abuse, (with Lyn White being the one to actually go over and do the filming) had rather a lot to say about it.

Senator Back made his claims under parliamentary priviledge, otherwise he’d be answering for himself in a defamation action by now. Standing up and smearing two dedicated people with arrant lies to push sectorial interests is a new low in Australian politics.

Even a lot of the meat people who initially were interested in what he had to say have backed right away from it.

An enquiry? He made his claims AT the enquiry.

ProudtobeAussie 12:08 pm 16 Aug 11

Has anyone heard any more about the allegations that Animals Australia paid to have the indonesian workers put on a “show” for the cameras?
I hope xenophon and wilke will be calling for a full investigation into that?

p1 12:43 pm 15 Aug 11

legal said :

This is real, not a consipiracy….

Wait a sec. So it is not a conspiracy, that means the footage was genuine? Or are you saying the footage was part of a conspiracy, but the Senators comments are not part of a conspiracy?

I’m confused.

What I do think is funny is the hilarious differences (and similarities) between the Live Export Ban and the Carbon Tax:
– On one hand opinion polls showed overwhelming disapproval for a Carbon Tax, and certain groups claimed that was sufficient reason to scrap the plan, yet the same groups (my own supposition, however it appears to be the same people in the media pushing both) ignore the fact the polls at the time showed overwhelming support for a ban on live export.

poetix 10:29 am 15 Aug 11

Having the animals slaughtered in Australia would actually create jobs, if the industry was given time to restructure itself. John (#31), there were some farmers at the rally yesterday who supported a ban on live export.

EvanJames 10:22 am 15 Aug 11

OliverC said :

I am fed up of this entirely unnecessary, unconstructive and immature name-calling that takes away from the real issues before us.

People who resort to abuse, rather than reasoned discussion, have already lost the argument. They have no grounds for what they are arguing, so all they have is aggression, accusations, and abuse.

Oddly, they didn’t turn up to the rally yesterday to put their views across. Keyboard warriors who would never, ever have the guts to spew their venom at someone’s face.

OliverC 11:39 pm 14 Aug 11

Before calling all vegetarians feral, likening welfare activists to Nazis, and claiming that these protesters are nothing but racists, perhaps some of you ought to take a step back and consider a few things which have not come up in this post.

– The bill that Nick Xenophon has introduced to parliament involves phasing out live export from Australia by 2014.
– Indonesia is aiming to be self-sufficient in their beef production by 2014, meaning they will not be continuing to import live animals from Australia anyway.
– Australia’s frozen meat export market is worth many times more than its live export market, and it continues to grow.

Australia cannot remain dependant on live export trade to Indonesia to keep our country’s economy stable and our farmers employed. Claiming that without live export out meat industry would collapse, or that the livelihood of our farmers will be destroyed, achieves nothing. Animal welfare organisations and supports are most definitely not pitting themselves against farmers. Do you believe that farmers are happy with the treatment these animals receive overseas? Not all farmers support live export and most welfare organisations seek to work with farmers to develop a solution that will allow us to process our meat on-shore. If we do not begin to act now what will we do three years down the track when the demand for our livestock decreases?

On our relationship and influence in Indonesia…
– The Australian government gives millions of dollars in aid to Indonesia every year and and our country has also been working towards improving education and understanding the importance of animal welfare.
– Animal welfare is not considered a priority by Indonesia. There is no quick, easy or cheap fix to this and education is the only way to move forward.
– By gradually withdrawing out cattle from the market Australia is not giving up and forcing this problem on to others. Just because our cattle would not be involved does no mean we would cease to care about the treatment of animals overseas. International welfare organisations will persist with education and work towards raising welfare standards.

I would also like to point out that part of this education includes teaching that stunning does not contravene halal slaughter guide-lines.
– Halal slaughter does not have to be inhumane.
– Australia already exports halal and kosher-certified meat to all the countries we export live animals to.

On the issue of cruelty…
– It is worth acknowlodging that the film taken in several Indonesian abattoirs was not typical of all Indonesian abattoirs.
– The unnecessary cruelty inherent in live export is not only the risk of improper methods of handling and killing .
– The entire process of transportation causes animals to suffer.
– Australia still exports sheep to countries in the Middle East, a journey that takes over two weeks.
– In 2010 around 30000 sheep died during this journey. I would very much like to hear suggestions as to how this could be avoided without a total ban.

Finally, I know of no activists who are holding the Indonesian people solely to account. Perhaps you have read comments of this nature on the internet, and assume that all activists feel the same way? I find this gross generalisation of animal activists as unintelligent and ignorant to be offensive. I care about animal welfare and I care about Australia. I care about our farmers, their jobs and our economy. I am fed up of this entirely unnecessary, unconstructive and immature name-calling that takes away from the real issues before us.

legal 5:46 pm 12 Aug 11

Instead of going to a rally donate money to a cattle organisation to pay for training and the expensive equipment to handle cattle.

legal 5:42 pm 12 Aug 11

EvanJames said :

legal said :

Animals Australia is now losing ground rapidly on this campaign as education replaces the misinformation and the outcome of the recent senate hearing exposed Animals Australia as a bunch of malevolent fools, with false information and paid bribes for workers to abuse animals for the camera (Sen Chris Back).

Senator Back’s claims are unsubstantiated, and strongly refuted by Animals Australia and the RSPCA, who jointly ran the exercise to send Lyn White over on the cattle ship to investigate how animals were being treated.

Lyn White, an ex-AFP officer, has absolutely refuted Back’s bizarre statements.

It is truly amazing how far parts of this industry will go to ensure that they can continue to send animals to be tortured to death, and Senator Back’s lying to the enquiry is a despicable act. Not all parts of this industry are so venial, many are supporting moves to fix what’s wrong with it, sadly the way the government has gone about it is helping neither side.

But read the various statements and information and decide for yourselves.

http://www.banliveexport.com/

Going to a propaganda site like this is not informative, you will only be misinformed. People are sick of this orchestrated corruption of the media for special interest groups like Animals Australia and their sick of activists dumbing down issues so these flat-earthians can ‘divide and conquer’. You deliberately accuse anyone who is not animal activist freak as somehow an ‘animal torturer’.

The Senator’s claim that Lyn White paid bribes for mistreatment are backed up by affadavit of the individual in the video and by the fact these abbotiors were inspected and cleared shortly before Lyn White turned up. This is real, not a consipiracy. I tolerate the activists but pay close attention to the scientists and experts who know more about animal welfare than everyone else, anything less is corruption of moral judgement.

It is also the simplest explanation (that she paid bribes for a show) for Lyn White’s prepared outrage at the claim, and the the voracity of her outrage (thou doth protest too much).

The days of activists controlling the media spin cycle on this issue are over and they are hating it. All normal reasonable people that were outraged are now seeing the campaign by Lyn White as militant activist with no substance, straight out of the PETA manual for militant activism.

And to say this industry in any way supports animal cruelty is fiendish lie. Animal activists are not animal welfare experts and you do not need to be a part of the Animals Australia propaganda machine to be a supporter of animal welfare standards.

As you are well aware and trying to hide is that the senate hearing exposed Animals Australia as anti-scientific, out of touch with the reality, making baseless accusations, fail to understand the issues and focussed on an ideological view.

To top it all off, these animal activists are a bunch of racists. Portraying Indonesians as sub-human and undeserving of their food supply to some the poorest people on the planet is ideological genocide.

Erg0 5:01 pm 12 Aug 11

EvanJames said :

But read the various statements and information and decide for yourselves.

http://www.banliveexport.com/

That URL doesn’t exactly suggest an unbiased source of information. Just saying.

EvanJames 4:59 pm 12 Aug 11

legal said :

Animals Australia is now losing ground rapidly on this campaign as education replaces the misinformation and the outcome of the recent senate hearing exposed Animals Australia as a bunch of malevolent fools, with false information and paid bribes for workers to abuse animals for the camera (Sen Chris Back).

Senator Back’s claims are unsubstantiated, and strongly refuted by Animals Australia and the RSPCA, who jointly ran the exercise to send Lyn White over on the cattle ship to investigate how animals were being treated. Lyn White, an ex-AFP officer, has absolutely refuted Back’s bizarre statements.

It is truly amazing how far parts of this industry will go to ensure that they can continue to send animals to be tortured to death, and Senator Back’s lying to the enquiry is a despicable act. Not all parts of this industry are so venial, many are supporting moves to fix what’s wrong with it, sadly the way the government has gone about it is helping neither side.

But read the various statements and information and decide for yourselves.

http://www.banliveexport.com/

legal 3:40 pm 12 Aug 11

If you support animal welfare then support the scientists and experts working in the area, not a bunch of activists trying to close down all industries that use animals.

The actvists have a run a clever campaign which has cost us a Billion Dollars in lost revenue, and about the same again with compensation payouts. Labor has lost the next election on this issue alone.

Animals Australia is now losing ground rapidly on this campaign as education replaces the misinformation and the outcome of the recent senate hearing exposed Animals Australia as a bunch of malevolent fools, with false information and paid bribes for workers to abuse animals for the camera (Sen Chris Back).

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