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Barton paid parking not a runaway success

By johnboy 12 October 2010 65

The Canberra Times has the sad news that the Morris Property Group car park in Barton is running somewhat under capacity:

Yesterday at lunchtime only about 100 of the 612 bays were in use.

Nearby workers have been parking in side streets and on vacant land in Barton and Parkes to avoid paying.

Morris Property Group director Louise Morris attributed the small number of people using the car park to the availability of free parking elsewhere.

”It’s been very under-utilised,” she said.

The NCA is due to release a discussion paper on paid parking in the parliamentary triangle soon.

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Beef 1:35 pm 24 Oct 10

Who pays for parking? I’m worried when my next dole cheque is coming. Get a grip u insane outsiders. Migrate here and tell us what is and isn’t. G is your mortgage too high?

Aenveigh 9:21 pm 20 Oct 10

You raise the point that taxpayers/hospitals paid for the car park. This would of course mean that we’ve already paid for it. “Tax on a tax” comes to mind.

The only people that hospital pay parking hurts is the sick, families and friends of the sick, and the people who work with the sick. Nice.

Every tax dollar that goes to providing ‘free’ parking is in fact a dollar that can’t be spent on the sick. When the parking is free, people treat it as an unlimited resource. Therefore, demand is uncapped and everyone drives. The next thing you know, you need to build [i]another[/i] multideck carpark at great expense (that could have bought, say an MRI machine – or ten). Instead if you priced (reasonably, not gouged) the parking, those that could walk, get bus, get dropped off, cycle etc to the hospital do so. Those that do stay don’t overstay, freeing up spaces for those that really must be there.

If you actually recovered the true cost of the carpark from those that used it (so those getting the bus, walking, cycling aren’t subsidizing car drivers) and those funds were then made available to the hospital (acceptance would be good if you knew the funds were going back into health, not general revenue – and fair enough too) to care for sick people – is that so unreasonable?

Erg0 4:30 pm 19 Oct 10

screaming banshee said :

Erg0 said :

Providing visitors to the triangle with free parking would be considered a service, surely? This sounds a bit like the “I won’t use a women’s hospital, they should get rid of it and reduce my taxes instead” argument. Just because the service isn’t being provided to you that doesn’t make it a waste of government money.

Absolutely providing free parking to visitors would be considered a service, the problem is the visitor parking is being taken up by workers because there is insufficient control over ensuring that visitor parking is being used by visitors.

Poor choice of words on my part, “visitors” is meant to encompass anyone who drives into the triangle, regardless of purpose.

I don’t know what things are like nowadays, but there were always spare spots in the car park next to West Block when I worked there a few years ago. I gather that rising parking costs in Civic have prompted some people to start parking in the triangle and catching the (regular, speedy) bus the rest of the way down Commonwealth Ave, so I wouldn’t be too quick to assume that the people working in the triangle are to blame for overflowing car parks in the tourist areas.

bjnetzone 3:18 pm 19 Oct 10

screaming banshee said :

Erg0 said :

Providing visitors to the triangle with free parking would be considered a service, surely? This sounds a bit like the “I won’t use a women’s hospital, they should get rid of it and reduce my taxes instead” argument. Just because the service isn’t being provided to you that doesn’t make it a waste of government money.

Absolutely providing free parking to visitors would be considered a service, the problem is the visitor parking is being taken up by workers because there is insufficient control over ensuring that visitor parking is being used by visitors.

As for why you should be able to park for free in the triangle, all I’ve heard is, nowhere to post a letter, nowhere to buy lunch, nowhere to pay bills.

Posting a letter:
Take a walk around you local streets, a post box wont be that far away. If you’re a lazy shite then drive past it on your way home.

Lunch:
Please, most offices contain or have a small cafe nearby, if not then it will more than likely be serviced by a mobile cafe. Then of course you always have the option of packing a lunch.

Paying bills:
You’re shitting me right! Bpay, or if you’re that old fashioned mail a cheque…see ‘Posting a letter’

1. Posting a letter is different to having a Post Office nearby. Last time I checked, you can do more than post a letter at a Post Office, including paying bills where the biller doesn’t use BPAY, and other stuff.
2. Don’t use office cafes. They charge like wounded bulls (or pay-carpark owners). I don’t pay $9.50 for a pissy little sandwich, ’cause I’m a tight-arse for a reason (bring on the trolls). Office cafes assume (like most people) that those who work in the PT are uber-rich, and charge accordingly. And was that “Please” or “Puhleeeease”?
3. No, I’m not shitting you. Don’t have a chequebook, and to get a money order, you need a Post Office (go figure – something else you can do at a Post Office). A bank cheque needs a Bank (something else the PT doesn’t have), and costs extra (also goes for money order and a chequebook). See (1) for BPAY and (2) for tight-arse.
4. These three examples are three out of many that showcase the PT as a wasteland (apart from the walking brain-dead). Put a Westfield in the PT, and I’ll consider being brainwashed about pay parking. Actually, no, I won’t.
5. So providing free parking for people who don’t have to be there, but charging for people who do have to be there seems fair to you? (“There’s logic in there somewhere Spock”…) Again, not just talking about PT or Canberra, but anywhere that charges workers to park.

bjnetzone 2:48 pm 19 Oct 10

Aenveigh said :

bjnetzone said :

Top of the scum-sucking list is pay parking at hospitals.

http://www.reinventingparking.org/search/label/hospitals

Actually it’s useful to charge for parking at hospitals. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be exemptions, but in general, why should it be free to park there? They are high-value destinations, often located in or near busy commercial centres. Free parking would therefore be great for commuters. But where do the patients park then? Build a multi-deck carpark for tens of millions? It costs a lot of money to provide free parking!! But who pays for that cost – taxpayers, the hospital – and how then do you pay for actual health care if you’ve spent that money on housing cars instead of caring for people?

I’m against monopoly pricing of hospital carparks (as they’re often run by the hospital, there’s no competition) but equally a fair price for visitors, commuters choosing to use it (pay more) etc. Say free for 2 hours, sliding scale after that. Outpatients could validate for 4 hours free, same as you see at commercial centres – you get longer free if you’re a proven ‘customer’ rather than just taking advantage. In Canberra the PT is ok, not great so bump that up a bit, and in most other cities there’s pretty great PT to most hospitals. Why travel there in a vehicle more likely to cause you to become a patient if you can take the bus/train instead? ; )

Garran, Deakin and Bruce? Hardly close to commercial centres (by that I mean town centres).

You raise the point that taxpayers/hospitals paid for the car park. This would of course mean that we’ve already paid for it. “Tax on a tax” comes to mind.

The only people that hospital pay parking hurts is the sick, families and friends of the sick, and the people who work with the sick. Nice.

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