Barton route has nose in front for Stage 2 light rail to Woden

What’s the link between that article and this thread? I’m a bit confused.

And what a whinger. Clearly doesn’t understand the whole idea behind the asett recycling scheme.

It would seem it would go between the buildings on Sydney Ave. if you look at google maps you will see a nice clear run between the buildings with the red and grey roofs which then runs through to the foot path alongside John McEwan crescent. I assume that is Windsor Walk.

So you are saying only Northsiders work in Barton and they stacked the ‘vote’ to ensure it goes past their Barton offices?

Odd becuse when I worked in Barton many of my colleagues lived south and would benifit from faster travel times to Parl Triangle.

Me personally I do support the Barton route, but not as a replacement for the 300 series buses between tuggers, woden and Civic.

And the Barton route should split at Canberra Ave going to Kingston and to Woden but only to Woden to benifit those traveling to the triangle.

Haha chewy when did the ‘economics’ ever come into the decision making around public transport in the Territory. It certainly didn’t with the decision to build the Gunghalin route, and it certainly is never considered within the broader running of the bus network (otherwise privitisation/a concession to run the service would be a serious option). Not for one second am I suggesting public transport seek to make a profit – but it should be provided at least reasonable cost.

Hmmm, can’t see anywhere that I’ve suggested only Northsiders work in Barton, simply that they would currently be more likely to vote in this type of self selecting poll seeing as the Light Rail stage 1 is already being constructed for them and they have direct and immediate skin in the game. And I’ve no doubt that some Southsiders would benefit from faster public transport to the parliamentary triangle, it’s a shame that this system would be slower.

But you’re right, I was perhaps too hasty with my comment. People who live in Woden and work in Barton would also support the Barton route for the exact same self interested reasons despite its serious shortcomings.

As for your suggestion that we should run 300 series buses and the light rail, how could that possibly ever be viable? You want to duplicate an existing system with something that has far less functionality and costs significantly more, yet keep running the existing cheaper system?

Why would anyone south of Woden catch the light rail in that instance? You might as well flush $2B down the drain.

What I suggested is not a duplication. One is express one serves what is along the route.

Though as I am firmly on record before on this very board I don’t think the Woden extension is sensible at all because I don’t think the along the route traffic would be that high for 75% of the route, basically beyond Barton. I think it should run as proposed except go left down Canberra Ave or Brisbane Ave to Kingston.

And before someone says I am contradicting myself as above I said I preferred the Barton route to Woden, to be clear that was my option on the two choices presented not on the route as a whole.

Economics is but one factor with public transport be it rail, bus or indeed roads for cars. Your point?

OK,
It’s not a duplication just two separate routes with the same destination using two different transport modes.

Either way, if the express is faster, it will cannibalise passengers from the light rail making the light rail even less viable (if that’s even possible for stage 2).

It would be madness and a monstrous waste of money, and that’s truly saying something when talking about this project.

No the express wouldn’t canabliise it in the example I have becuse express passengers wouldn’t be travelling on the route that serves the destinations and workplaces along the corridor. The fact both ends are the same is irrelevant as the passengers using the non express would be those that would get on and off along it.

But do agree a massive waste of money running it to Woden or beyond. Same too with Belconnen, unless there are enough traffic generators along the way.

And for what it is worth I have long been an advocate here that the Gungahlin route is sensible but not as a replacement for express buses from the suburbs. Only for servicing those along the Flemington Road and Northbourne Ave.

At the tent embassy? Map I saw shows it going behind old parl house no where near tent embassy. In other words what you describe.

A properly planned network, at least in my opinion, would have a stop somewhere out the front of NPH on Commonwealth Avenue, which would be a merging point – firstly for an express route heading off to woden to the right, straight down Adelaide Avenue, and a fork off to the left, initially built to service the Barton (could be done at the same time as the Woden extension), then for future extension out towards Narrabundah/Fyshwick (or whatever destinations wanted out that way). That way you could still ensure appropriate throughput on the central belt of a network, without having to make every tram so slow that it will mean the trip to Woden is way too slow for anyone to bother.

Instead we are going to get a ridiculous half way house where the line tries to do everything but ends up achieving nothing.

Perhaps because the Tuggeranong part of the route hasn’t been announced yet? You can complain about it if/when it goes to tuggers without going via southlands. (and I as a northside person will join you in condemning it because it’s an obvious route.)

Why would anybody want to build a light rail extension to Tuggeranong? We have beautiful roads down here; the way Canberra was meant to be.

How can a transport mode that has a maximum speed of 70kph be called anything like “rapid”?