Beer and meat on a stick festival

Masquara said :

IrishPete said :

Pork Hunt said :

Why. Is the the Hitler parody only anti Semitic?
Why isn’t anything to do with old Adolf also anti Polish, Danish, Dutch, French, Russian, Norwegian, Italy (post September 1943), Finland (post September 1944) and a shit load of other European and African countries I can’t be bothered listing.
The Jews weren’t the only people who suffered in WW 2.

and gay people, the mentally ill, the intellectually disabled, the list goes on.

Many countries and peoples didn’t get great treatment at the hands of the other colonial powers either, before during or after WW2. But winners write the history books.

IP

Nine out of ten victims of the Nazi Holocaust were Jews. Citing the other victims is often used as an avenue to minimise and even deny the Holocause. So I’d caution against that approach – stormfront.org use it .

It is wrong to minimise or deny the Holocaust, but it is equally wrong to use the Jewish Holocaust to downplay the suffering of others.

I recommend you Google Herbert Backe and the Hunger Plan to get an understanding the premeditated starvation inflicted on the Soviet Union by the Nazis, and the intended scale of it.

Masquara said :

IrishPete said :

Pork Hunt said :

Why. Is the the Hitler parody only anti Semitic?
Why isn’t anything to do with old Adolf also anti Polish, Danish, Dutch, French, Russian, Norwegian, Italy (post September 1943), Finland (post September 1944) and a shit load of other European and African countries I can’t be bothered listing.
The Jews weren’t the only people who suffered in WW 2.

and gay people, the mentally ill, the intellectually disabled, the list goes on.

Many countries and peoples didn’t get great treatment at the hands of the other colonial powers either, before during or after WW2. But winners write the history books.

IP

Nine out of ten victims of the Nazi Holocaust were Jews. Citing the other victims is often used as an avenue to minimise and even deny the Holocause. So I’d caution against that approach – stormfront.org use it .

Really?

Approximately the same number of Ukrainian non-combatants were killed as Jews. Around 3 million Poles, 2 million Russian civilians and 3 million Russian POWs, 1.5 million Yugoslavs, and the list goes on. There was much more killing than just the gassing or starvation deaths in concentration camps. Germany kept accurate records of the concentration camp deaths, but the field killings, retribution attacks and random massacres don’t have accurate records, so numbers could be much higher.

Claiming that other races, religions and groupings of people were killed does not diminish the horror committed against the Jews, it adds to the overall horrors of the Nazi regime.

Masquara said :

IrishPete said :

Pork Hunt said :

Why. Is the the Hitler parody only anti Semitic?
Why isn’t anything to do with old Adolf also anti Polish, Danish, Dutch, French, Russian, Norwegian, Italy (post September 1943), Finland (post September 1944) and a shit load of other European and African countries I can’t be bothered listing.
The Jews weren’t the only people who suffered in WW 2.

and gay people, the mentally ill, the intellectually disabled, the list goes on.

Many countries and peoples didn’t get great treatment at the hands of the other colonial powers either, before during or after WW2. But winners write the history books.

IP

Nine out of ten victims of the Nazi Holocaust were Jews. Citing the other victims is often used as an avenue to minimise and even deny the Holocause. So I’d caution against that approach – stormfront.org use it .

You are so sick and twisted. Let me get this straight, are you saying only dead Jews matter in reference to the holocaust? Don’t mention the others or you are a nazi?

What about the 20 million dead Russians? Is ok to mention them? Or what about the sack of Berlin? Is ok to mention that?

Masquara said :

Nine out of ten victims of the Nazi Holocaust were Jews. Citing the other victims is often used as an avenue to minimise and even deny the Holocause. So I’d caution against that approach – stormfront.org use it .

By most definitions 10 out of 10 victims of the Holocaust were Jewish. Try the US Holocaust Museum’s website, or the Jewish Holocaust Centre in Victoria, which talk about people of Jewish religion or ancestry. (The latter perhaps understandably so, but try to find a Holocaust institution or event or website that includes non-Jewish victims.)

If we are talking about victims of Nazi genocide, or even set aside the word genocide and just say “killed by the Nazis outside combat operations”, then Wikipedia as a one-stop source reports that 2.5 million “gentile Poles” were killed, 2.8 million Soviet PoWs, 375,000 disabled people etc. Your “nine out of ten” claim is looking pretty off the mark. I have no reason to disbelieve those figures – Wikipedia has very strict rules around controversial issues, with some topics being locked or tightly managed.

Does this make the genocide of Jews look any better? No. Just because some neo-Nazi nutters think it does doesn’t mean it does, it just cements their status as nutters. I had never heard of Stormfront until some neo-Nazi nutter on RiotACT decided to start posting using that name. It’s unfortunate that the moderators didn’t reject that name, and that they don’t reject his or her comments.

Nor would highlighting the Soviet Union’s genocide, nor more recently and closer to home Indonesia’s very “effective” campaign in East Timor, detract from the evil of Hitler’s regime. But the Nazis didn’t invent genocide, and they didn’t invent concentration camps, though they certainly raised them to a whole new level of industrial efficiency (and they may have invented extermination camps).

Jewish victims have a voice, through the state of Israel, and globally through the Jewish diaspora, that many of these other groups do not have. I am sure that Jewish victims of the Holocaust would not want the experiences of other groups to be overshadowed by their own, any more than they would want their own experiences to be minimised.

Anybody accusing me of, or hinting at me, being a Nazi apologist would have to be living on the planet Nutter.

IP

IrishPete said :

Pork Hunt said :

Why. Is the the Hitler parody only anti Semitic?
Why isn’t anything to do with old Adolf also anti Polish, Danish, Dutch, French, Russian, Norwegian, Italy (post September 1943), Finland (post September 1944) and a shit load of other European and African countries I can’t be bothered listing.
The Jews weren’t the only people who suffered in WW 2.

and gay people, the mentally ill, the intellectually disabled, the list goes on.

Many countries and peoples didn’t get great treatment at the hands of the other colonial powers either, before during or after WW2. But winners write the history books.

IP

Nine out of ten victims of the Nazi Holocaust were Jews. Citing the other victims is often used as an avenue to minimise and even deny the Holocause. So I’d caution against that approach – stormfront.org use it .

Pork Hunt said :

Why. Is the the Hitler parody only anti Semitic?
Why isn’t anything to do with old Adolf also anti Polish, Danish, Dutch, French, Russian, Norwegian, Italy (post September 1943), Finland (post September 1944) and a shit load of other European and African countries I can’t be bothered listing.
The Jews weren’t the only people who suffered in WW 2.

and gay people, the mentally ill, the intellectually disabled, the list goes on.

Many countries and peoples didn’t get great treatment at the hands of the other colonial powers either, before during or after WW2. But winners write the history books.

IP

Why. Is the the Hitler parody only anti Semitic?
Why isn’t anything to do with old Adolf also anti Polish, Danish, Dutch, French, Russian, Norwegian, Italy (post September 1943), Finland (post September 1944) and a shit load of other European and African countries I can’t be bothered listing.
The Jews weren’t the only people who suffered in WW 2.

Deref said :

Masquara said :

Barcham dear, do read up on the Westminster system and the principle of ministerial responsibility before you attempt to take your journalist career any further. That is so vital that you should even prioritise it over your apostrophe lessons.

I remember reading about the principle of ministerial responsibility in a history book. It seemed like such a good idea. What a pity that it was abolished so long ago.

Reminds me of a Pryor cartoon in the Crimes back in the ’80s during a political scandal where the minister refused to resign. The first panel showed a desk with a weight labelled “buck” and a sheet of paper with “I Resign” on it. That panel is captioned Westminster System. The second panel is captioned Canberra System and the sheet of paper says “Would the person who put this thing on my desk please remove it and report to personnel”.

Roundhead89 said :

chewy14 said :

Ben_Dover said :

chewy14 said :

Actually no, I don’t think they were trying to be edgy It was pretty much stock standard burlesque. It was about as inoffensive as you could get. If anything, I’m surprised the perpetually offended weren’t complaining more about the performer fake masturbating.

ROTFLMFFAO!!

You really dont see the contradiction in what you have written there do you?

Burlesque, as we all know is just…

No, there’s no contradiction. Burlesque may be middle class pole dancing, often with “ahem” shall we say larger performers.
But I don’t think the implication in your last comment that the performer dressed up as Hitler to be especially edgy or “arty” is correct.

And this comes from a person who is most certainly not a usual supporter of the arts community in Canberra. I just happened to be at the festival and happened across the show……

ok ok, I really just went to see the boobies.

I can remember Benny Hill portraying Hitler during the “German” section of his TV shows in the 1970s. In between “Der Bustenhalter” and “Der floppen titsen” he would put on the mo, give the salute and launch into a rant. I don’t recall anybody at the time calling it “anti-Semitic”. Then there was the famous episode of Fawlty Towers in 1975 The Germans where John Cleese goose-stepped around the set for much of the show.

We seem to be a lot more precious and politically correct nowadays.

I don’t recall John Howard being offended when the stripper wearing a John Howard face mask jumped out of the birthday cake at one of Bob Hawkes’s birthday parties a number of years ago.
The showy deed was in poor taste but totally congruent with the judgement of those who arranged it and those who thought it was funny.

Bugger. I hate it when I type inside the quote 🙁

Masquara said :

Barcham dear, do read up on the Westminster system and the principle of ministerial responsibility before you attempt to take your journalist career any further. That is so vital that you should even prioritise it over your apostrophe lessons.

I remember reading about the principle of ministerial responsibility in a history book. It seemed like such a good idea. What a pity that it was abolished so long ago.

Masquara said :

Barcham said :

Also I severely doubt Burch had any knowledge of any of the acts we put on prior to the event.

Barcham dear, do read up on the Westminster system and the principle of ministerial responsibility before you attempt to take your journalist career any further. That is so vital that you should even prioritise it over your apostrophe lessons.

I assume this means Malcom Turnbull should be resigning due to the appalling activities of the ABC? (alleged activities, of course).

And the Minister for Education for the activites of Catholic Schools?

stupid argument.

Masquara said :

Roundhead89 said :

chewy14 said :

Ben_Dover said :

chewy14 said :

I can remember Benny Hill portraying Hitler during the “German” section of his TV shows in the 1970s. In between “Der Bustenhalter” and “Der floppen titsen” he would put on the mo, give the salute and launch into a rant. I don’t recall anybody at the time calling it “anti-Semitic”. Then there was the famous episode of Fawlty Towers in 1975 The Germans where John Cleese goose-stepped around the set for much of the show.

You are putting Little Miss Canberra Nazi “Eva Braun” Burlesque into the same bailiwick as the comic genius above? You are really taking this apologism to a whole ridiculous level.

Actually it seems to me you are taking your rather flimsy witch hunt to a ridiculous level. Are you really that offended? Or is it just a chance to have a run at someone?

rosscoact said :

Nevertheless, it is vapid stupidity to seek a ministerial resignation for a comedy piece that offends people who are determined to be offended.

In this case you just *know* that anyone who disagrees with them is anti Semitic.

Nevertheless, it is vapid stupidity to seek a ministerial resignation for a comedy piece that offends people who are determined to be offended.

Any given Federal Communications minister would last a week under those circumstances

Barcham said :

IrishPete said :

Barcham said :

As far as it goes it seems to me very much like Giulia is making a big deal out of this simply to score some points over Burch. Also I severely doubt Burch had any knowledge of any of the acts we put on prior to the event. I don’t doubt she knew there was a burlesque night, but the contents of that night were a discussion between the artists and Jorian and (as is the nature of big group ensemble shows like this) in a constant state of flux right up until the metaphorical curtain lifted. I emceed the event and even I didn’t know what all the acts were going to be beforehand. That’s just how these big shows go.

As Barcham no longer works here, I suppose I can’t ask for him to be flogged for making “MC-ed” into a word “emceed”…

IP

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emcee

It’s a thing.

Okay, your flogging is deferred pending the outcome of your appeal to the sensibilities of the RiotACT commentariat. Good luck with that…

Masquara said :

Putting on a Nazi uniform is artistically edgy (e.g. cutting edge) ? Sheesh! Arts Minister Joy Burch funded this caper – Arts ACT need to justify just exactly what is artistically “edgy” and “interesting” about a burlesque turn in a Nazi uniform. Canberra’s “art scene” has really gone downhill in recent years.

Could a Rioter with IT skills and wit (that’s a big call I know) do one of those dubbed YouTube Downfall skits with Hitler doing a review of the Multicultural Festival?

Barcham said :

IrishPete said :

Barcham said :

As far as it goes it seems to me very much like Giulia is making a big deal out of this simply to score some points over Burch. Also I severely doubt Burch had any knowledge of any of the acts we put on prior to the event. I don’t doubt she knew there was a burlesque night, but the contents of that night were a discussion between the artists and Jorian and (as is the nature of big group ensemble shows like this) in a constant state of flux right up until the metaphorical curtain lifted. I emceed the event and even I didn’t know what all the acts were going to be beforehand. That’s just how these big shows go.

As Barcham no longer works here, I suppose I can’t ask for him to be flogged for making “MC-ed” into a word “emceed”…

IP

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emcee

It’s a thing.

Yep it’s an American thing originating in the 1930’s.

back to the food and the dodginess factor… I was at the doctor today and she said business is booming because of the festival. lots of tummy bugs.

not surprising really.

Barcham said :

Also I severely doubt Burch had any knowledge of any of the acts we put on prior to the event.

Barcham dear, do read up on the Westminster system and the principle of ministerial responsibility before you attempt to take your journalist career any further. That is so vital that you should even prioritise it over your apostrophe lessons.

Roundhead89 said :

chewy14 said :

Ben_Dover said :

chewy14 said :

I can remember Benny Hill portraying Hitler during the “German” section of his TV shows in the 1970s. In between “Der Bustenhalter” and “Der floppen titsen” he would put on the mo, give the salute and launch into a rant. I don’t recall anybody at the time calling it “anti-Semitic”. Then there was the famous episode of Fawlty Towers in 1975 The Germans where John Cleese goose-stepped around the set for much of the show.

You are putting Little Miss Canberra Nazi “Eva Braun” Burlesque into the same bailiwick as the comic genius above? You are really taking this apologism to a whole ridiculous level.

IrishPete said :

Barcham said :

As far as it goes it seems to me very much like Giulia is making a big deal out of this simply to score some points over Burch. Also I severely doubt Burch had any knowledge of any of the acts we put on prior to the event. I don’t doubt she knew there was a burlesque night, but the contents of that night were a discussion between the artists and Jorian and (as is the nature of big group ensemble shows like this) in a constant state of flux right up until the metaphorical curtain lifted. I emceed the event and even I didn’t know what all the acts were going to be beforehand. That’s just how these big shows go.

As Barcham no longer works here, I suppose I can’t ask for him to be flogged for making “MC-ed” into a word “emceed”…

IP

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emcee

It’s a thing.

Ben_Dover said :

Roundhead89 said :

We seem to be a lot more precious and politically correct nowadays.

Or we just have better taste, and low tollerance of hipsters.

Taste is a matter of personal opinion. To claim something is antisemitic just because it depicts Hitler has nothing at all to do with personal taste.

NoImRight said :

Actually the cast of Allo Allo really should apologise. Just not about the Nazi thing.

As a teenager when it first started to be broadcast, I would have forgiven Yvette the waitress for anything.

IP

neanderthalsis said :

Roundhead89 said :

chewy14 said :

Ben_Dover said :

chewy14 said :

Actually no, I don’t think they were trying to be edgy It was pretty much stock standard burlesque. It was about as inoffensive as you could get. If anything, I’m surprised the perpetually offended weren’t complaining more about the performer fake masturbating.

ROTFLMFFAO!!

You really dont see the contradiction in what you have written there do you?

Burlesque, as we all know is just…

No, there’s no contradiction. Burlesque may be middle class pole dancing, often with “ahem” shall we say larger performers.
But I don’t think the implication in your last comment that the performer dressed up as Hitler to be especially edgy or “arty” is correct.

And this comes from a person who is most certainly not a usual supporter of the arts community in Canberra. I just happened to be at the festival and happened across the show……

ok ok, I really just went to see the boobies.

I can remember Benny Hill portraying Hitler during the “German” section of his TV shows in the 1970s. In between “Der Bustenhalter” and “Der floppen titsen” he would put on the mo, give the salute and launch into a rant. I don’t recall anybody at the time calling it “anti-Semitic”. Then there was the famous episode of Fawlty Towers in 1975 The Germans where John Cleese goose-stepped around the set for much of the show.

We seem to be a lot more precious and politically correct nowadays.

Yes indeed. I guess now the cast of Allo allo, the Goons, Monty Python, The Two Ronnies, Aunty Jack, Dad’s Army, etc, should all apologise for glorifying the Nazi regime.

There are some gormless fools who will complain about anything.

Every body song along: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw

Actually the cast of Allo Allo really should apologise. Just not about the Nazi thing.

Barcham said :

As far as it goes it seems to me very much like Giulia is making a big deal out of this simply to score some points over Burch. Also I severely doubt Burch had any knowledge of any of the acts we put on prior to the event. I don’t doubt she knew there was a burlesque night, but the contents of that night were a discussion between the artists and Jorian and (as is the nature of big group ensemble shows like this) in a constant state of flux right up until the metaphorical curtain lifted. I emceed the event and even I didn’t know what all the acts were going to be beforehand. That’s just how these big shows go.

As Barcham no longer works here, I suppose I can’t ask for him to be flogged for making “MC-ed” into a word “emceed”…

IP

Masquara said :

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday. Hopefully it wasn’t put on anywhere near a Jewish cultural activity. Seriously, for a publicly funded festival to think that it’s acceptable to riff on Adolf Hitler – only under Joy Burch’s watch, I guess!

The only complaint that the opposition spokesperson mentioned was from the Harmonie Club.

IP

Ryoma said :

LSWCHP said :

And for your entertainment pleasure, go to http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2012/UltimateManwich.htm to find the meal that is most in demand among the males in our household. Seriously, if you’re a bloke who likes a bit of meat, check the link and follow the recipe. Your life will never be the same.

LSWCHP: +1,000

That link is just….inspired! Had me grinning like a loon. Thank you for sharing it. Have you tried cooking it in front of Mrs LSWCHP yet? 🙂

I’ve made the Ultimate Manwich maybe 3 times over the last year or so, to wild enthusiasm from the boys and much eye rolling and muttering from my wife. It’s worth it all. 🙂

Barcham said :

Also the idea of Giulia (or any politician really, but especially her) getting to decide what does and what does not count as acceptable art sounds like some kind of a nightmarish dark future to me. I shudder.

Seems like something the nazis did. Maybe next year it will be “dressed as Giulia, dressed as Hiltler” ?

Roundhead89 said :

We seem to be a lot more precious and politically correct nowadays.

Or we just have better taste, and low tollerance of hipsters.

Roundhead89 said :

chewy14 said :

Ben_Dover said :

chewy14 said :

Actually no, I don’t think they were trying to be edgy It was pretty much stock standard burlesque. It was about as inoffensive as you could get. If anything, I’m surprised the perpetually offended weren’t complaining more about the performer fake masturbating.

ROTFLMFFAO!!

You really dont see the contradiction in what you have written there do you?

Burlesque, as we all know is just…

No, there’s no contradiction. Burlesque may be middle class pole dancing, often with “ahem” shall we say larger performers.
But I don’t think the implication in your last comment that the performer dressed up as Hitler to be especially edgy or “arty” is correct.

And this comes from a person who is most certainly not a usual supporter of the arts community in Canberra. I just happened to be at the festival and happened across the show……

ok ok, I really just went to see the boobies.

I can remember Benny Hill portraying Hitler during the “German” section of his TV shows in the 1970s. In between “Der Bustenhalter” and “Der floppen titsen” he would put on the mo, give the salute and launch into a rant. I don’t recall anybody at the time calling it “anti-Semitic”. Then there was the famous episode of Fawlty Towers in 1975 The Germans where John Cleese goose-stepped around the set for much of the show.

We seem to be a lot more precious and politically correct nowadays.

Yes indeed. I guess now the cast of Allo allo, the Goons, Monty Python, The Two Ronnies, Aunty Jack, Dad’s Army, etc, should all apologise for glorifying the Nazi regime.

There are some gormless fools who will complain about anything.

Every body song along: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw

chewy14 said :

Ben_Dover said :

chewy14 said :

Actually no, I don’t think they were trying to be edgy It was pretty much stock standard burlesque. It was about as inoffensive as you could get. If anything, I’m surprised the perpetually offended weren’t complaining more about the performer fake masturbating.

ROTFLMFFAO!!

You really dont see the contradiction in what you have written there do you?

Burlesque, as we all know is just…

No, there’s no contradiction. Burlesque may be middle class pole dancing, often with “ahem” shall we say larger performers.
But I don’t think the implication in your last comment that the performer dressed up as Hitler to be especially edgy or “arty” is correct.

And this comes from a person who is most certainly not a usual supporter of the arts community in Canberra. I just happened to be at the festival and happened across the show……

ok ok, I really just went to see the boobies.

I can remember Benny Hill portraying Hitler during the “German” section of his TV shows in the 1970s. In between “Der Bustenhalter” and “Der floppen titsen” he would put on the mo, give the salute and launch into a rant. I don’t recall anybody at the time calling it “anti-Semitic”. Then there was the famous episode of Fawlty Towers in 1975 The Germans where John Cleese goose-stepped around the set for much of the show.

We seem to be a lot more precious and politically correct nowadays.

Trust me, whatever you’re picturing the act to be, it’s much much more hilarious and clever than that.

Come off it barcham, we all know you were a fan of the “Skypigtittycarp”, howcoud we trust you in matters of taste? :nana:

Masquara said :

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday. Hopefully it wasn’t put on anywhere near a Jewish cultural activity. Seriously, for a publicly funded festival to think that it’s acceptable to riff on Adolf Hitler – only under Joy Burch’s watch, I guess!

Man nothing has made me miss my job here quite as much as being a part of this controversy. Over the past few days of seeing the Canberra Times regurgitating Giulia’s ridiculous accusations, and hearing the kind of absolute unquestionable declarations of whether or not something is “appropriate” by people who never actually experienced the event in the first place, I kept thinking “I’d be having so much fun at work right now if I was still there.”

As far as it goes it seems to me very much like Giulia is making a big deal out of this simply to score some points over Burch. Also I severely doubt Burch had any knowledge of any of the acts we put on prior to the event. I don’t doubt she knew there was a burlesque night, but the contents of that night were a discussion between the artists and Jorian and (as is the nature of big group ensemble shows like this) in a constant state of flux right up until the metaphorical curtain lifted. I emceed the event and even I didn’t know what all the acts were going to be beforehand. That’s just how these big shows go.

Burch isn’t to blame for the content of the show, we are.

Also the idea of Giulia (or any politician really, but especially her) getting to decide what does and what does not count as acceptable art sounds like some kind of a nightmarish dark future to me. I shudder.

The discussion over whether it was appropriate to use Nazi imagery (even in a satirical mocking way) at a festival next door to the Multicultural Fringe festival is a much more valid one. I’ve gotten a lot of feedback on both sides of the argument. However I will defend the actual performance. Deb’s a wonderful performer and her act was a fantastic piece of comedy, very reminiscent of Mel Brooks’ work. Trust me, whatever you’re picturing the act to be, it’s much much more hilarious and clever than that.

Also I may just be feeling a little nostalgic or drunk right now, but I really want to get in there and fix that faulty feature image on the front page… I just… NEED TO.

Ben_Dover said :

chewy14 said :

Actually no, I don’t think they were trying to be edgy It was pretty much stock standard burlesque. It was about as inoffensive as you could get. If anything, I’m surprised the perpetually offended weren’t complaining more about the performer fake masturbating.

ROTFLMFFAO!!

You really dont see the contradiction in what you have written there do you?

Burlesque, as we all know is just…

No, there’s no contradiction. Burlesque may be middle class pole dancing, often with “ahem” shall we say larger performers.
But I don’t think the implication in your last comment that the performer dressed up as Hitler to be especially edgy or “arty” is correct.

And this comes from a person who is most certainly not a usual supporter of the arts community in Canberra. I just happened to be at the festival and happened across the show……

ok ok, I really just went to see the boobies.

We went on sunday and it was good – lots of people, but not shoulder to shoulder, and we got a few seats. The food is good, but not much is cheap – I’d like to see some cheap small things , so we could taste more different things, but what we had was good.

We were only there for lunch – the entertainment seemed to be mainly chinese stick dancing and singing.

Putting on a Nazi uniform is artistically edgy (e.g. cutting edge) ? Sheesh! Arts Minister Joy Burch funded this caper – Arts ACT need to justify just exactly what is artistically “edgy” and “interesting” about a burlesque turn in a Nazi uniform. Canberra’s “art scene” has really gone downhill in recent years.

chewy14 said :

Actually no, I don’t think they were trying to be edgy It was pretty much stock standard burlesque. It was about as inoffensive as you could get. If anything, I’m surprised the perpetually offended weren’t complaining more about the performer fake masturbating.

ROTFLMFFAO!!

You really dont see the contradiction in what you have written there do you?

Burlesque, as we all know is just…

Volunteer labour’s not cheap, you know.

Nor are the stalls. Over 10K for the weekend I believe, plus insurance, plus plus plus plus. No wonder things cost well over what they would otherwise cost.

Where did this outrageous figure come from? Is this spin?

The actual costs to the “community groups” is $350 per site. Nothing like $10,000? It is not uncommon for these “community groups” to generate around $20,000 in PROFIT over this weekend.

I keep saying “community groups” because I have knowledge of families that run stalls here under the guise of “Community Groups” and 2 families consistently make $8,000 each from the festival. Nice if you can get it but not really what the Festival is designed for and what our dollars are paying to support

Unfortunately, the 10K figure is correct for a business, plus insurance, plus 1k to 2k for liquor licence. they need to sell a lot of food just to cover those costs, and we are not even including all of the other initial outlays, like food and drinks and staff. And then there is the other problem of weather. What happens when it is raining? Business will drop and that is a massive risk.

Ben_Dover said :

Masquara said :

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday.

Wow!! how edgy is that!! Whoo hoo Canberra, we’re arty anarchists, dangerous middle-class, white, lefty, Earth Science students, living on the edge!! Next thing you know we’ll be having Zombie Walks and flash-mobs here…

Canberra, always on the cutting edge (of 1989.)

Actually no, I don’t think they were trying to be edgy It was pretty much stock standard burlesque. It was about as inoffensive as you could get.

Barcham was hosting and did give a warning about adult content at the start of the show so maybe some precious people should have taken heed?.

If anything, I’m surprised the perpetually offended weren’t complaining more about the performer fake masturbating.

Went on Saturday.

Shit over priced food, shit massive crowds, drunk people everywhere.

Even Summernats had more culture. 0/10 would not recommend.

Masquara said :

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday.

Wow!! how edgy is that!! Whoo hoo Canberra, we’re arty anarchists, dangerous middle-class, white, lefty, Earth Science students, living on the edge!! Next thing you know we’ll be having Zombie Walks and flash-mobs here…

Canberra, always on the cutting edge (of 1989.)

Masquara said :

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday. Hopefully it wasn’t put on anywhere near a Jewish cultural activity. Seriously, for a publicly funded festival to think that it’s acceptable to riff on Adolf Hitler – only under Joy Burch’s watch, I guess!

So apparently, which means you didn’t see it for yourself, which means you didn’t see the content. So how would you know if it was or wasn’t offensive to anyone of the Jewish faith, or anyone else for that matter? Yet you still also blame a pollie.

Personally so long as Nazism isn’t being glorified then I see no issue what so ever having Hitler or any Nazi type skit on stage. I take it you were also offended by the Terrograph’s depiction of Mr Rudd as Colonel Kilnk from Hogans Heros as similarly offensive, or the whole show for that matter, as it too was depicting events (albeit fictional) but based on the war with reference to Hitler. What about Dad’s Army and ‘allo ‘allo for that matter?

Masquara said :

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday. Hopefully it wasn’t put on anywhere near a Jewish cultural activity. Seriously, for a publicly funded festival to think that it’s acceptable to riff on Adolf Hitler – only under Joy Burch’s watch, I guess!

One way to deal with tyrants is to take the p!ss out of them.

I might grant, if I could be bothered, that there is some artistic merit to it somehow. Still, it sounds like complete uninspired cheap thrills wankery. I’ll pass that one. A warning label would be fair, at a minimum.

Made a hell of a newspaper headline tho. I wonder how long it’s been, or how often, the Canberra Times got to spell out the four letter word in bold on the front page?

Roundhead89 said :

BelcoMan said :

dungfungus said :

Oh, and the weather was too hot.

Sounds like poor event Management 😛

The worst “event management” at the Festival happened five years ago. That was the Saturday they were predicting 43 degrees in Canberra so I decided not to go. That was also the day of the Black Saturday bushfires in Victoria where almost 200 people were killed. I’ve always felt that the Multicultural Festival was tainted after that happened.

Was that another dud Tim Flannery prediction about the 43 degrees?

Masquara said :

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday. Hopefully it wasn’t put on anywhere near a Jewish cultural activity. Seriously, for a publicly funded festival to think that it’s acceptable to riff on Adolf Hitler – only under Joy Burch’s watch, I guess!

Jorian Gardiner’s Hitler spoof wasn’t as offensive (or expensive as) last years Robin Archer’s Skywhale, under Andrew Barr’s watch.

Roundhead89 said :

BelcoMan said :

dungfungus said :

Oh, and the weather was too hot.

Sounds like poor event Management 😛

The worst “event management” at the Festival happened five years ago. That was the Saturday they were predicting 43 degrees in Canberra so I decided not to go. That was also the day of the Black Saturday bushfires in Victoria where almost 200 people were killed. I’ve always felt that the Multicultural Festival was tainted after that happened.

What are you trying say old chap? That BOM should have put a stop to an event here in Canberra 600 km from a place with a total fire ban?
How does that taint the MCF? What if there is an avalanche in the Swiss Alps or Krakatoa went up? Do we stop going about our daily tasks?
Please explain!

BelcoMan said :

dungfungus said :

Oh, and the weather was too hot.

Sounds like poor event Management 😛

The worst “event management” at the Festival happened five years ago. That was the Saturday they were predicting 43 degrees in Canberra so I decided not to go. That was also the day of the Black Saturday bushfires in Victoria where almost 200 people were killed. I’ve always felt that the Multicultural Festival was tainted after that happened.

Since it hasn’t been posted elsewhere I’ll tuck it in here – apparently there was a Hitler-inspired routine at the multicultural festival yesterday. Hopefully it wasn’t put on anywhere near a Jewish cultural activity. Seriously, for a publicly funded festival to think that it’s acceptable to riff on Adolf Hitler – only under Joy Burch’s watch, I guess!

Ben_Dover said :

dungfungus said :

There are stalls with nothing to do with multiculturalism (examples being The ACT Labor Party and an Australian wine company).

You’re surprised that local culture gets a look in? So am I.

dungfungus said :

The stage acts seem overweighted with African drummers and dancers and the music it too loud.

But that’s real multiculturalism, don’t you know?

I was aware that NSW Labor were trying to change their culture following the ICAC findings but I was unaware that the ACT Labor Party had any culture since Jon Stanhope’s public art years.
Too much African drumming and dancing is monocultural (not multicultural) which is the point I was trying to make.
At midday yesterday there was a lone aboriginal performer on the stage in the carpark on cnr. London Circuit and Northbourne Avenue belting out some excellent original stuff with electronic digeridoo etc.
I felt proud to be the only one interested. He should have been on the main stage in City Walk where the cultrually outsourced African performance was.
The Australian cringe is alive and well in Canberra.

The best chicken satay on a stick is at the Old Bus Depot Markets at Songs Loation stall.

dungfungus said :

Oh, and the weather was too hot.

Sounds like poor event Management 😛

And on the smoking thing, I realise it is an outdoor area but when it is hot, still and full of 10,000 people, have some respect with your coffin-nails people!

dungfungus said :

There are stalls with nothing to do with multiculturalism (examples being The ACT Labor Party and an Australian wine company).

You’re surprised that local culture gets a look in? So am I.

dungfungus said :

The stage acts seem overweighted with African drummers and dancers and the music it too loud.

But that’s real multiculturalism, don’t you know?

The festival is turning into a commercial bazzar just like Floriade has become. There are stalls with nothing to do with multiculturalism (examples being The ACT Labor Party and an Australian wine company).
The stage acts seem overweighted with African drummers and dancers and the music it too loud.
To make things even more unpleasant there are people smoking everywhere. Some of the food items on sale are totally unauthentic and grossly overpriced.
Oh, and the weather was too hot.

there was a food safety officer patrolling around today when we were there, so they are looking for signs of trouble. Whether they catch any wrong doings before they become outbreaks is debatable. Plenty of fly by night type operations there.

There was very little meat on a stick really, plenty of potato on a stick though. But man, it was hot, crowded and long lines for some things. We got there early (about 11) to try and avoid the lines and the heat but many food stalls weren’t opening until 12, the licenced stalls were not serving until then either.

Still a good day though… just damn damn hot. Never has the Canberra Centre been such an oasis!!

LSWCHP said :

Mrs LSWCHP on the other hand is a tree hugging, hippie, left wing radical, vegan crusader. Wherever she goes, no lentils or spinach remain.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but I think your wife might be a terrorist.

BelcoMan said :

Where did this outrageous figure come from? Is this spin?

The actual costs to the “community groups” is $350 per site. Nothing like $10,000? It is not uncommon for these “community groups” to generate around $20,000 in PROFIT over this weekend.

I keep saying “community groups” because I have knowledge of families that run stalls here under the guise of “Community Groups” and 2 families consistently make $8,000 each from the festival. Nice if you can get it but not really what the Festival is designed for and what our dollars are paying to support

Community groups are significantly cheaper. I was talking commercial sites and rates and the price came form someone that I know that was interested in getting a site. Though will tell them about the community group scam for next year.

JC said :

switch said :

Volunteer labour’s not cheap, you know.

Nor are the stalls. Over 10K for the weekend I believe, plus insurance, plus plus plus plus. No wonder things cost well over what they would otherwise cost.

Where did this outrageous figure come from? Is this spin?

The actual costs to the “community groups” is $350 per site. Nothing like $10,000? It is not uncommon for these “community groups” to generate around $20,000 in PROFIT over this weekend.

I keep saying “community groups” because I have knowledge of families that run stalls here under the guise of “Community Groups” and 2 families consistently make $8,000 each from the festival. Nice if you can get it but not really what the Festival is designed for and what our dollars are paying to support

LSWCHP said :

And for your entertainment pleasure, go to http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2012/UltimateManwich.htm to find the meal that is most in demand among the males in our household. Seriously, if you’re a bloke who likes a bit of meat, check the link and follow the recipe. Your life will never be the same.

LSWCHP: +1,000

That link is just….inspired! Had me grinning like a loon. Thank you for sharing it. Have you tried cooking it in front of Mrs LSWCHP yet? 🙂

@TheBusDriver – thanks, I can’t believe how I missed this

I love meat. It can be on a stick, or it may be twitching because I just shot and cooked it, but I’m definitely a carnivore. Mrs LSWCHP on the other hand is a tree hugging, hippie, left wing radical, vegan crusader. Wherever she goes, no lentils or spinach remain.

How our relationship came to be is a long story for another time. But come hell or high water, I’ll be at the meat on a stick and beer gig. Probably by myself, or perhaps with my sons, who tend to like a bit of meat too, thanks to my bad influence.

And for your entertainment pleasure, go to http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jul2012/UltimateManwich.htm to find the meal that is most in demand among the males in our household. Seriously, if you’re a bloke who likes a bit of meat, check the link and follow the recipe. Your life will never be the same.

switch said :

Volunteer labour’s not cheap, you know.

Nor are the stalls. Over 10K for the weekend I believe, plus insurance, plus plus plus plus. No wonder things cost well over what they would otherwise cost.

And I believe free bus travel on Saturday!

http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/news_articles/action-services-are-free-on-saturday-8-february-for-the-national-multicultural-festival

xxl said :

LOVE meat on a stick. Wish there was actually more **than one type of meat on each stick. They are way better when TWO different animals are used together!**

There you go. Fixed that little typo for you 🙂

“Typically people from all around the world who have settled here make offerings of meat and vegetables over a fire and sell them to locals for about 3-4 times as much as they paid for them in the local markets. Beer and pancakes not on a stick are also for sale at about 5-6 times what they are worth.”

Volunteer labour’s not cheap, you know.

LOVE meat on a stick. Wish there was actually more of it though. Went for stroll at lunch and realised how many of the stalls offered just whole plates of food. Contrary to my username, I can’t dedicate my stomach to just one plate of food. I need a steady stream of more bite-sized food throughout the day.