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Big brother gets his groove on. Point to point is hot to trot

johnboy 22 September 2011 65

A busy Simon Corbell has informed us that his point-to-point speed camera legislation has passed the Legislative Assembly.

The first point to point system is being built on Hindmarsh Drive and is expected to become operational later this year. A second system is expected to be commissioned in 2012.

The system uses cameras equipped with with Automated Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) technology, and scans photographs to identify vehicle numberplates. The system takes time-stamped photographs of vehicles as they pass two places (detection points) set at a known distance apart. If the average speed exceeds the average speed limit between those points, an infringement notice for a speeding offence may be issued.

ANPR technology is already used in the ACT, as part of ACT Policing’s RAPID (Recognition and Analysis of Plates IDentified) system to detect offences involving unregistered or uninsured vehicles and unlicensed drivers.

“The system photographs only the back of vehicles and the images do not identify drivers or riders,” Mr Corbell said.

“There are strong safeguards to protect personal information, and the legislation explicitly restricts access to and use of these images. Images that do not show offences will be destroyed after 14 days.

Simon assures us they won’t be used to track our movements.


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RedDogInCan RedDogInCan 10:03 pm 22 Sep 11

This is going to be interesting for our interstate visitors. NSW also has point to point speed cameras but only for heavy vehicles. The NSW signage is a bit vague in that respect and anyone from NSW, on seeing similar signs in the ACT, would probably make the assumption to their detriment that the cameras were only for heavy vehicles here as well.

toriness toriness 10:29 pm 22 Sep 11

RedDogInCan said :

This is going to be interesting for our interstate visitors. NSW also has point to point speed cameras but only for heavy vehicles. The NSW signage is a bit vague in that respect and anyone from NSW, on seeing similar signs in the ACT, would probably make the assumption to their detriment that the cameras were only for heavy vehicles here as well.

it’ll be fun tricking NSW folk into putting money into ACT coffers though won’t it? not to mention if they’re breaking the law (ie travelling faster than signposted speed limits), it doesn’t matter whether they come from – NSW or the moon – then getting caught is their own problem!

Evil_Kitten Evil_Kitten 10:55 pm 22 Sep 11

Does anyone know when the ones on the Federal Highway are going to come into effect? Or is it for trucks only?

As for Hindmarsh, I think I will just avoid that road when they come in. Too much speedo watching for my liking! Also, weren’t they supposed to go all the way to the Monaro Highway? Why is there a second set of poles as you come over the hill on that first downward part in Red Hill?

what_the what_the 9:35 am 23 Sep 11

What a fvcking waste of money of this mindless obsession with speed enforcement – only one of hundreds of variables required to drive a car.

addicus addicus 9:59 am 23 Sep 11

Another way to have less requirement for less police presence and to rake in more revenue. We are really being looked after here as taxpayers. This will save so many lives…..end sarcasm. If speeding is such a huge issue , why not install limiters nationally in cars so we can’t speed…..ah no revenue then. That would save much more lives ……no sarcasm intended this time. I really wish they would spend more on infrastructure rather then just clear revenue makers, like enough parking for everyone…ah again more ”needed’ revenue. I guess most of the parking areas are privatised now, and the road tolls are privatised or contracted out , so not even the Government is directly organising getting the cash from us. They let the companies do the ‘work’ set the ‘rules’ and then sit back and laugh while taxpayers fight over being charged for something that has no real requirement to exist in the first place other then to make money. Then the Government collects any tax from it, with not a care in the world, and no accountability. What a wonderful system we all keep well financed.

Solidarity Solidarity 10:16 am 23 Sep 11

Anyone have a white VX Commodore I can borrow for half an hour? I want to get done for 700+ km/h over the limit.

Palifox Palifox 10:19 am 23 Sep 11

“There are strong safeguards to protect personal information, and the legislation explicitly restricts access to and use of these images. Images that do not show offences will be destroyed after 14 days.”

Yeah, right. How long is that going to last? I’d give it five years maximum before the regulations are changed to make the records last a lot longer if not permanent.

And how far apart are these points? Suppose I drive from Weston Creek to Fyshwick and fluke most of the traffic lights green. My point to point speed is far higher than usual, even though I may be 5kph below the posted limits all the way.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 10:19 am 23 Sep 11

what_the said :

What a fvcking waste of money of this mindless obsession with speed enforcement – only one of hundreds of variables required to drive a car.

Yep. Agreed.

I don’t blame the government entirely, though. I blame the people who voted for them.

Erg0 Erg0 10:23 am 23 Sep 11

Palifox said :

And how far apart are these points? Suppose I drive from Weston Creek to Fyshwick and fluke most of the traffic lights green. My point to point speed is far higher than usual, even though I may be 5kph below the posted limits all the way.

But your average speed will still be under the speed limit, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at here.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 10:36 am 23 Sep 11

what_the said :

What a fvcking waste of money of this mindless obsession with speed enforcement – only one of hundreds of variables required to drive a car.

And yet somehow I suspect they’ll make their money back pretty quickly.

It may be only one of hundreds of variables required to drive a car, but for some reason it’s the one that many people think is unimportant or just doesn’t apply to them.

Speaking of which, where’s Mr G? He can always be guaranteed to argue the case that speed limits are a dangerous imposition on his freedom and that they cause accidents … and look at the sexy newsreader!

johnboy johnboy 10:38 am 23 Sep 11

The thing with speed is it’s the variable most easily quantified.

Very Busy Very Busy 10:39 am 23 Sep 11

Mysteryman said :

what_the said :

What a fvcking waste of money of this mindless obsession with speed enforcement – only one of hundreds of variables required to drive a car.

Yep. Agreed.

I don’t blame the government entirely, though. I blame the people who voted for them.

Same here!! …….and the clever people who think they’re teaching the major parties a lesson by voting green who are totally oblivious to the fact that they’re really voting Labor. ..shakes head..

Now I wait for all the “If we had an alternative” replies….you are the problem. To get anywhere in life, you need to take risks.

Back to the subject of point to point speed cameras: It should be of real concern that drivers on Hindmarsh Drive will need to be more focused on looking down at their speedo than watching the road and surroundings ahead.

Innovation Innovation 11:11 am 23 Sep 11

#1 RedDogInCan – I know it’s not a traditional P2P but doesn’t the M7 measure speed over distance and pass on the info to let law enforcement issue traffic infringements?

Personally, I don’t know why all the fuss. Action’s MyWay collects (and probably stores) details of commuter trips every day and I don’t recall people complaining.

As for the cameras. It would be great if they reduce speeding and monitoring speeding is better than not monitoring any driving offences at all. And, provided I don’t get booked, any revenue raised from P2Ps etc, hopefully, means that I pay less taxes somewhere else.

My only gripe is that there should be more accountability. Any revenue gained should be identifiable and committed to specific services eg, policing, roads, public transport, so we can see some sort of improvement.

p1 p1 11:19 am 23 Sep 11

Palifox said :

“There are strong safeguards to protect personal information, and the legislation explicitly restricts access to and use of these images. Images that do not show offences will be destroyed after 14 days.”

Why do they need to keep the images 14 days? If you were not speeding, why can’t they delete the image 1 second later? Would save a lot of data storage space.

qbngeek qbngeek 11:19 am 23 Sep 11

Evil_Kitten said :

Does anyone know when the ones on the Federal Highway are going to come into effect? Or is it for trucks only?

As for Hindmarsh, I think I will just avoid that road when they come in. Too much speedo watching for my liking! Also, weren’t they supposed to go all the way to the Monaro Highway? Why is there a second set of poles as you come over the hill on that first downward part in Red Hill?

It needs to be set up between the traffic lights or it will be worse than useless

qbngeek qbngeek 11:27 am 23 Sep 11

Innovation said :

#1

RedDogInCan – I know it’s not a traditional P2P but doesn’t the M7 measure speed over distance and pass on the info to let law enforcement issue traffic infringements?

THis is an urban legend which has been denied by all parties involved.

And to all those complaining about traffic lights affecting the times. The system is being installed between the two sets of lights as you go over the big hill. Hence the ongoing works on the median strip and the massive poles that went in there a few weeks ago. The system needs to be installed between traffic lights as it will not account for the timing of the lights and will not give an accurate reading.

And for those complaining about how it is just revenue raising. Stop speeding and it won’t be an issue. Sppeding fines are just a stupity tax for those who don’t deserve to be on the road.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 11:39 am 23 Sep 11

Jim Jones said :

what_the said :

What a fvcking waste of money of this mindless obsession with speed enforcement – only one of hundreds of variables required to drive a car.

And yet somehow I suspect they’ll make their money back pretty quickly.

But will it increase road safety or lower fatalities? After all, that’s why the government claim to be implementing the point-to-point speed camera systems. The answer is no, it won’t. Speed cameras don’t improve road safety or reduce serious collisions. It’s been proven time and time again. So why are they really doing it? If the government genuinely cared about road safety they’d be exploring/funding other avenues (no pun intended) that are more likely to actually make a difference.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 11:45 am 23 Sep 11

qbngeek said :

And for those complaining about how it is just revenue raising. Stop speeding and it won’t be an issue. Sppeding fines are just a stupity tax for those who don’t deserve to be on the road.

That’s where you’re partially wrong. If nobody sped, it would still be an issue because the cameras cost us money to maintain, and the government (who install the cameras to make money) rely on the income they provide. If you take that income away you will probably find that speed limits will lower (under the guise of “road safety) in order to try to “catch” more people out, or they will implement new ways to fine/tax people to make up the deficit (increased rego fees, etc). One way or another, the money will come out of the pocket of the general public.

watto23 watto23 11:59 am 23 Sep 11

I’m almost certain they are installed on the part of hindmarsh drive between Woden and Fyshwick.
People regularly drive at 100kmh here. I know I have because the road is perfectly capable of handling 100km/h. Thats not deliberately, but more driving to the conditions.

But of course there are traffic lights and that means 80 maximum in Canberra although on the Monaro heading south they manage to do 100 down to 80 for lights with extra warning lights.

Where speeding is often the cause of an accident is in areas where a blind corner is and its often 80 in a 60 zone there. But you don’t see speed cameras in blind spots or school zones, just in high capacity straight stretches of road. The speeding that causes accidents on straight patches of road is often by hoons doing well in excess of 150km/h. They just won’t hoon where these P2P cameras are. They’ll still find straight patches of road to excessively speed on.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 12:17 pm 23 Sep 11

Mysteryman said :

Speed cameras don’t improve road safety or reduce serious collisions. It’s been proven time and time again.

Where?

All the peer reviewed evidence I’ve seen shows that controlling and reducing speeding contributes to lower accident rates.

http://www.physorg.com/news140443278.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/death-rate-down-at-speed-camera-sites-755740.html
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20101006/Speed-cameras-reduce-road-accidents-significantly-Study.aspx
http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/

etc.

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