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Bill O’Reilly uses the Member for Fraser’s research to beat up the gun nuts

By johnboy - 19 December 2012 44

I don’t think anyone saw this coming.

On the rabidly right wing Fox News the strongly pro-gun Bill O’Reilly today was using research by Canberra’s own Member for Fraser Dr Andrew Leigh to bludgeon home the message that assault rifles in private hands is not in the public interest. (and it only took a huge pile of dead six year old children to get minds actually thinking)

If you’ve wondered why so much big money supports the otherwise nutty notion of private gun rights in the US Mark Ames has published as good a theory as any on NSFWcorp.com (available for the next 18 hours).

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44 Responses to
Bill O’Reilly uses the Member for Fraser’s research to beat up the gun nuts
johnboy 10:26 am 20 Dec 12

No one credible is pushing for more gun control here.

Rather we’re all getting a chance to be smug and say “I told you so” to mighty America.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

Holden Caulfield 10:20 am 20 Dec 12

johnboy said :

LegalNut said :

I’m not convinced that O’Reilly was using Leigh’s research to support gun control. The way he quoted it was basically fishing for the other guy to refute it and make out that even strong, academic research that supports gun control is wrong. Banning all guns, let alone AR-15s, is a no-brainer. I’m just not convinced that Bill O’Reilly got the memo.

I think you need to learn to parse media better. For Fox that was unprecedented, and he kept slapping the ratbag’s use of bogus numbers.

If you’re looking to convince a sceptical crowd that’s how you start.

Looks like “Tiger” Bill follows Malcolm on twitter, or at the very least, Rupert sat up and took notice of Turnbull’s reply!

460cixy 10:18 am 20 Dec 12

I have been waiting for this to appear on RA. Now I really can’t see why an event like this as sad as it is should have any effect on our own firearms laws here. Yet the greens and leftys keep using events like this to push there own barrow and our stupid media keep giving them the time of day.

ScienceRules 9:39 am 20 Dec 12

Ooopsie, got the stupid quoting thing wrong for the above post. The last bit is me, not me quoting someone else. If that actually matters…

ScienceRules 9:38 am 20 Dec 12

LSWCHP said :

Thumper said :

liability said :

I’m what most Australians would call a loony gun nut. For what its worth, I’m an intelligent, tertiary educated professional with a career, a home in the suburbs, a wife and four kids. I’m an engineer, and instead of cars I focus my attention on firearms. They’re astounding pieces of precision machinery, and every weekend I use them to convert money into noise and poke holes in pieces of paper. That’s it. That’s all I do with them at them moment, although I’ve hunted in the past and I may do so again in the future.

Like Thumper, I have some experience with assault rifles and I agree with him that nobody in the community needs them. That was decided long ago.

On the other hand LegalNut suggests that banning all firearms is a no-brainer. I can understand why someone might feel this way at this time, but I very respectfully disagree. Like many of my friends, I’ve owned and used firearms for over 30 years without hurting anybody. This is not America, and the processes required for obtaining and using firearms are extremely onerous.

We don’t need further restrictions on firearm ownership in Australia. We probably do need better enforcement of existing laws.

LSW, you seem more like a responsible gun owner than a self-described “loony gun nut”. I suggest that very few gun control enthusiasts (such as myself) would have any problem at all with either your collection or your hobby.

Its the gun fetishists and gun culture that we see in the US thats worth fighting, although I feel that America might just be too far gone for anything to happen. For all John Howard’s faults, his reaction after Port Arthur was spot on.

Enthusiasts such as yourself can still enjoy their sport while access to industrial scale life-removal devices such as semi-automatic firearms is severely restricted. I reckon we’ve got it about right.

The insane notion bandied about by lunatics, especially right after another massacre, that more guns makes things safer is loathesome at best. I’ve owned and used guns (pistols, rifles and shotguns) although not for many years and see absolutely no place for them as daily objects in a civilised culture.

I worked as an ambo for years and went to very few gunshot wounds, almost all self-inflicted. More importantly, it was something that we never had to realistically worry about being threatened with on the job.

Just be thankful that we live here, and not in a less developed place like Afganistan or Texas.

Postalgeek 12:11 am 20 Dec 12

O’Reilly was going easy on him. Gottlieb was spouting crap that any half-decent journo could’ve nailed. All Reilly had to do was ask him for his source for figures. How people get away with that shit I’ll never know. A mentally ill Chinese man stabbed 22 school kids in Henan Province on the same day as Sandy Hook. None died. O’Reilly could’ve gone to town, but at least he wasn’t at his most obsequious.

There is no place for semis among civilians. The only civil exception are professional shooters employed to cull.
Guns like the AR 15 are aimed squarely at fcktard preppers with stunted imaginations and kill fantasies who have yet to figure out that being allowed to have a rapid fire gun means the predators coming to get them are equally enabled. A key to survival is reducing other people’s ability to kill you, not increasing it, because unless you’re a psychopath yourself or exceptionally paranoid, they will always have the first shot advantage.

LSWCHP 11:13 pm 19 Dec 12

Thumper said :

liability said :

Andrew Leigh has been a rabid anti gunner for years, just google his name and all will be revealed.

He doesn’t have a whole lot of new stuff to offer, just tends to rehash other peoples work.

I see that some of the anti gun people are suggesting a gun buyback in America, like we had a few years ago. I would like to see the cost estimate on that one!

I have had some experience with military weapons. And believe me, assault rifles in private hands is not in the public interest.

Not at all.

Ever.

I’m what most Australians would call a loony gun nut. For what its worth, I’m an intelligent, tertiary educated professional with a career, a home in the suburbs, a wife and four kids. I’m an engineer, and instead of cars I focus my attention on firearms. They’re astounding pieces of precision machinery, and every weekend I use them to convert money into noise and poke holes in pieces of paper. That’s it. That’s all I do with them at them moment, although I’ve hunted in the past and I may do so again in the future.

Like Thumper, I have some experience with assault rifles and I agree with him that nobody in the community needs them. That was decided long ago.

On the other hand LegalNut suggests that banning all firearms is a no-brainer. I can understand why someone might feel this way at this time, but I very respectfully disagree. Like many of my friends, I’ve owned and used firearms for over 30 years without hurting anybody. This is not America, and the processes required for obtaining and using firearms are extremely onerous.

We don’t need further restrictions on firearm ownership in Australia. We probably do need better enforcement of existing laws.

johnboy 10:43 pm 19 Dec 12

LegalNut said :

I’m not convinced that O’Reilly was using Leigh’s research to support gun control. The way he quoted it was basically fishing for the other guy to refute it and make out that even strong, academic research that supports gun control is wrong. Banning all guns, let alone AR-15s, is a no-brainer. I’m just not convinced that Bill O’Reilly got the memo.

I think you need to learn to parse media better. For Fox that was unprecedented, and he kept slapping the ratbag’s use of bogus numbers.

If you’re looking to convince a sceptical crowd that’s how you start.

Endrey 10:37 pm 19 Dec 12

Andrew Leigh’s fantastic. It’s a sad indictment on the Labor Party’s internal systems that he is without a ministry.

Thumper 10:30 pm 19 Dec 12

liability said :

Andrew Leigh has been a rabid anti gunner for years, just google his name and all will be revealed.

He doesn’t have a whole lot of new stuff to offer, just tends to rehash other peoples work.

I see that some of the anti gun people are suggesting a gun buyback in America, like we had a few years ago. I would like to see the cost estimate on that one!

I have had some experience with military weapons. And believe me, assault rifles in private hands is not in the public interest.

Not at all.

Ever.

LegalNut 10:27 pm 19 Dec 12

I’m not convinced that O’Reilly was using Leigh’s research to support gun control. The way he quoted it was basically fishing for the other guy to refute it and make out that even strong, academic research that supports gun control is wrong. Banning all guns, let alone AR-15s, is a no-brainer. I’m just not convinced that Bill O’Reilly got the memo.

liability 9:46 pm 19 Dec 12

Andrew Leigh has been a rabid anti gunner for years, just google his name and all will be revealed.

He doesn’t have a whole lot of new stuff to offer, just tends to rehash other peoples work.

I see that some of the anti gun people are suggesting a gun buyback in America, like we had a few years ago. I would like to see the cost estimate on that one!

Deckard 6:44 pm 19 Dec 12

NoImRight said :

Cant access the clip here but I’d be suss on what motive Big Bill has in coming down on the side of gun control. He isnt famous for a reasoned approach on ..well anything.

Probably because his boss is into gun control.

NoImRight 5:08 pm 19 Dec 12

Cant access the clip here but I’d be suss on what motive Big Bill has in coming down on the side of gun control. He isnt famous for a reasoned approach on ..well anything.

Anyway “Guns dont kill people.Damn dirty apes with guns kill people!”- Charlton Heston.

Snarky 4:42 pm 19 Dec 12

Not particularly interested in what Bill O’Reilly or likeminded US or Australian broadcasters think or say, but dear god that Ames link is a depressing and scary piece.

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